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Need of Long Range Surveillance Units

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  1. Sabretooth

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    Does the Pakistan Army have any Long Range Surveillance Units like the US Army had?
    If YES, then which one are they? Name designation etc.
    If NO, then why?

    A brief summary of LRSU for the uninitiated:

    LRSU (Long Range Surveillance Units) trace their origin to the US Army’s famous Long-Range Reconnaissance Units known also as LRRPs (during the Vietnam war era).

    They are not to be confused with special forces commandos because Long Range Surveillance Units perform passive intelligence gathering missions, and are not equipped for offensive combat operations but are able to do some stuff.

    Important characteristics of LRSUs:

    • Long Range Surveillance Units take great pains to avoid being detected. Stealth is the key. They are in and out without firing a single shot. They were there the whole time and enemy is none the wiser.

    • Long Range Surveillance Units provide Army divisions, and Corps with the ability to deploy highly-skilled reconnaissance patrols deep into the enemy’s rear, behind enemy lines.

    • Usually operating as six-man teams, Long Range Surveillance Units teams are trained extensively in long-range communications, survival, covert observation, various infiltration techniques, hunting and tracking.

    • Many LRSU unit members are qualified in HALO/HAHO and combat diving skills. In certain situations, they may also engage in stay behind operations.

    • Units are capable of being infiltrated on foot, by aircraft, parachute, or small boats.

    • Units may be deployed up to 240 kilometres behind enemy lines.

    • They are expected to operate on their own, for up to thirty days. Trained to hunt with bows, spears, knives etc. and lay traps.

    • Team members are capable of providing bomb damage assessments; directing artillery fire; and locating enemy troop concentrations;

    • Targeting enemy anti-aircraft systems for destruction. SAMs are usually well hidden in inconspicuous areas. LRSU could direct GMLRS or designate targets for a precision cruise missile strike.

    • Trained in deploying Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM) aka man-portable nuclear weapons.
     
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    they can only operate if they get some support from enemy public otherwise they will be easily arrested by indian forces,u.s use such forces only in those areas where local population is willing to support them and is against their country and govt
     
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    Sure.
    But the modus operandi of these units is to go in; do your thing and then come out without being detected by the enemy or the local population.
     
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    oh bhai, its called stealth. Ever heard of espionage and field operatives?
    These are spies who are trained to do damage but to not be permanently deployed in enemy territory.
     
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    to cause much damage they need to be armed heavily as sensitive sites of india like air defenses are secured by heavy deployment of army and are not in open locality so it seems difficult to supply weapons and logistic support to such stealth forces without being detected by enemy
     
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    Isi liye kehtey hai pehley article parh lena chahiye.
    They are Recon units. The damage they do is by relaying enemy positions, concentrations of different weaponry, important installations which can then be taken out by precise attacks by missile or aircraft.
     
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    I think satellite images and drones can do this job easily and in much better form
     
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    You surely haven't studied warfare :)
     
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    Israel has Maglan
     
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    These units are an obselete concept in the present conflict and can only be employed if their is dense overhead cover ie jungle or heavy BUA which makes it impossible for use of other reccee means. Even in BUA the same task can be done with HUMINT with greater flexibility and ease. Modern recee planes/helis and satellites have turned them into an obsolete concept. Pakistan Army doesn't need to raise a new recee regiment because the same small unit recee teams can be drawn from infantry/commando battalions to achieve the same task.
     
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    How about we consider a Satellite Blackout and Drone no go scenario?
    How long will satellites last in a full fledged war between the major powers? How long will the Electronic Recon units in the sky will remain operational in an EMP rich, or S-400 covered environment? And how deep will they be able to penetrate into india?

    We need to look at possibilities where all shit has fallen all around and we are down to bare basic.
     
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    Well in case of a tech blackout during a war we will have no option but to resort to old school reccee methods. Reccee in the manner you said will probably bear the most fruit if conducted in the south eastern deserts with Lon range patrol akin to the LRDG used by the UK in North Africa during WW2 but the task can still be achieved by commando/light commando regiments in the deserts particularly and by the commando platooNS organic to all infantry battalions elsewhere. We do not have the resources to raise a dedicated reccee regiment like the British SSR.
     
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    Pakistan is in state to fight defensive war and i think there is no need for LRSU and due to technology we are getting live streaming and also got PGBs and cruise missiles with pinpoint accuracy to flush them out
     
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    SSG(N) has an interdiction team which is also tasked with recon role. SSW has 10th SRF(Spec Recon Fl) for recon role. SSG has a company for this purpose, but SSG has conducted many roles like this and most are not known to public.

    This is a sensitive topic generally. There is too much going on between Pakistan and India.
     
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