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Conscience of our nation? Did not do us(by us I don't mean all Indians) much good. Even then, Revulsion to Gandhi? Not particularly. We can continue this discussion in the Member's Club if you quote me :) I, for example, don't consider myself restrained by 'conscience'. Then again, not relevant to topic, so Member's Club if you wish.
As for excluding people - trust me, we can. Gopinath Munde is excluded for example. It is possible.

Gopinath munde was excluded by nature ...not YOU .

YOU can't exclude Medha patkar ..unless to wish to be an assassin !
 

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Conscience of our nation? Did not do us(by us I don't mean all Indians) much good. Even then, Revulsion to Gandhi? Not particularly. We can continue this discussion in the Member's Club if you quote me :) I, for example, don't consider myself restrained by 'conscience'. Then again, not relevant to topic, so Member's Club if you wish.
As for excluding people - trust me, we can. Gopinath Munde is excluded for example. It is possible.
Nice view of dam there ....Nobody knows its stands atop how many hamlets of poor and how many cemeteries of poor ( actually that's wrong phrase ...poor have no luxury of cemeteries ...they disappear without leaving trace ...and often big majestic places are built over vestiges of their wretched existence ) who were displaced ...

Conscience of our nation? Did not do us(by us I don't mean all Indians) much good. Even then, Revulsion to Gandhi? Not particularly. We can continue this discussion in the Member's Club if you quote me :) I, for example, don't consider myself restrained by 'conscience'. Then again, not relevant to topic, so Member's Club if you wish.
As for excluding people - trust me, we can. Gopinath Munde is excluded for example. It is possible.
sure I will quote you ...and will discuss it there !
 

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We need to Increase our Defence budgets, We need to acquire Dassault Rafale Fighter Jets and M777 artillery guns ( around 500 with M9082 Excalibur Munitions). We need to Increase M777 artillery guns order from 145 to 500 due to delays in Indigenous Bofors Guns.
 

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Environmental and Social Impact on any major project is an international requirement. Calling her a b!tch doesn't do her any justice. It is all well and good that the Modi government is taking a robust approach to these projects. It is however necessary that they comply or take heed of the assessments and address those. That is all she is saying
Some sense atlast . If environmental impact of these project would have been taken by govt officials already ... we wouldnt need people like her
 

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Your sarcasm is praiseworthy .
you could be a good journalist ...

what is wrong in being internationalist ? all humanists are internationalists !
I think so is socialists .

but then what is with the label ?

as long as she is fighting for poor and oppressed in legal way ...it doesn't matter to me ...

why are you blaming Medha patkar for what her supports may have spawned ...will you blame modi for what his so called supports spwan ?

Do you read Medha Patkar's mind to know whether she has changed her full attention to modi or not ?

Medha patkar remained apolitical till anna hazare launched anti corruption movement and she was drawn into AAP led politics because many people saw hope there ....

so do you think politics should be bastion for born stupid , spoon fed like Rahul Gandhi or self obsessed leaders and goondas and activits like medha patkar should not be welcomed ?
Elected politicians represents whole India including yours also (if voted).Their minds and actions will similar to us or in otherwords they are from us.
Medha Patkar can raise slogan.But she must also propose an alternative for developement.And common people must also take their environment.Just check the case of Ganga .Instructions ,laws and rules is also there to protect that river.But it is the people duty to obey that rules .Not government .In the name of religious freedom tons of waste are dumped in the Ganga what about that.?
And these Medha Patkar and like minded activitists dont do any thing for aware the people around that are because they are underdeveloped .And you now the reasons for that.
 

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And these Medha Patkar and like minded activitists dont do any thing for aware the people around that are because they are underdeveloped .And you now the reasons for that.
sir she is a voice for the people who will be displaced ... when you and me can have a voice why not them ? Just because they are poor they don't deserve the right to be heard ?

we have killed our natural resources ... our rhino's tigers are on the verge of extinction ... why don't our politicians care about them ?

These people who are to be relocated ... where ?? how much compensation ?? nothing is transparent ... what step will the govt take to correct the environmental damage ?? They should give a plan to correct the environmental damage too ... if the govt will be ignorant what will you expect the private developers to do ?
 

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sir she is a voice for the people who will be displaced ... when you and me can have a voice why not them ? Just because they are poor they don't deserve the right to be heard ?

we have killed our natural resources ... our rhino's tigers are on the verge of extinction ... why don't our politicians care about them ?

These people who are to be relocated ... where ?? how much compensation ?? nothing is transparent ... what step will the govt take to correct the environmental damage ?? They should give a plan to correct the environmental damage too ... if the govt will be ignorant what will you expect the private developers to do ?
I know .She is working for displaced peoples and it is good.But now a days she is opposing a project completely because they dont get required compensation .Thats type of mentality not going to help.Now if you want to see more extreme measures then please visit Tamil Nadu.When AMMA clears a project ,there is not opposite question.Except Koodamkulam we dont see the presence of Medha and others in Tamil Nadu.Buildings are chiseled out directly for road development ,Jayalalitha dont even spare skyscrappers .But peoples in there not going for agitation or they dont go for begging and they still find another places for living and that is another type of mentality.
Her NGos got a lot funding from foreign countries anyway.If they want justice Supreme Courts is there.They can argue for long time Money is not a problem for NGOs .They should file a case there ,thats all.
That is nice way for rehabilitating poor people.But instead her and her NGO stalling project indefinitely.
I dont argue for unwanted development like our Aranmula AirPort Project.We dont need that.But in least developed NI areas people sometimes rude measures may need .
 

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I know .She is working for displaced peoples and it is good.But now a days she is opposing a project completely because they dont get required compensation .Thats type of mentality not going to help.Now if you want to see more extreme measures then please visit Tamil Nadu.When AMMA clears a project ,there is not opposite question.Except Koodamkulam we dont see the presence of Medha and others in Tamil Nadu.Buildings are chiseled out directly for road development ,Jayalalitha dont even spare skyscrappers .But peoples in there not going for agitation or they dont go for begging and they still find another places for living and that is another type of mentality.
You said it your self ... they don't get the required compensation .. sir would you take inadequate compensation ? These people would have to restart their life again . We sir being in construction business ... we are forced by the govt and people to give adequate compensation is redevelopment projects at prevailing market rates or exceeding them so that these family can live comfortably (in Maharashtra at-least) .. what Amma is doing is sad, she can be drawn to the courst for it, sadly she has absolute power which no one questions. Why do we get prejudice and forget these displaced people are our OWN people ?

Her NGos got a lot funding from foreign countries anyway.If they want justice Supreme Courts is there.They can argue for long time Money is not a problem for NGOs .They should file a case there ,thats all.
Yes i don't think it illegal to get foreign funding ... You know our courts are a joke .... case will drag for decades .. lose both to state and people as well

That is nice way for rehabilitating poor people.But instead her and her NGO stalling project indefinitely.
I dont argue for unwanted development like our Aranmula AirPort Project.We dont need that.But in least developed NI areas people sometimes rude measures may need .
There are always local problems which aren't highlighted, no one would follow her, if they get required compensation. If she is getting support something must be wrong somewhere
 

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You said it your self ... they don't get the required compensation .. sir would you take inadequate compensation ? These people would have to restart their life again . We sir being in construction business ... we are forced by the govt and people to give adequate compensation is redevelopment projects at prevailing market rates or exceeding them so that these family can live comfortably (in Maharashtra at-least) .. what Amma is doing is sad, she can be drawn to the courst for it, sadly she has absolute power which no one questions. Why do we get prejudice and forget these displaced people are our OWN people ?


Yes i don't think it illegal to get foreign funding ... You know our courts are a joke .... case will drag for decades .. lose both to state and people as well


There are always local problems which aren't highlighted, no one would follow her, if they get required compensation. If she is getting support something must be wrong somewhere
I dont oppose fair compensation and other benefits.But stalling an entire project is not that good.Somewhere I read if a family sacrifice their assets for developement govt gave them lot of other assets .I am talking about Haryana Government.
If our Courts is a joke then we 125 crore are also a joke.Things wont solve like that.I know our nations have some short comings.But if the government did anything wrong peoples choice is court and that is the law.
There is also another problem if people like Medha oppose these projects government dont initiate projects and in long term it hurt our growth and then also jobs and cause unemployment.I think that is not also good in a country with majority youths.
 

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I dont oppose fair compensation and other benefits.But stalling an entire project is not that good.Somewhere I read if a family sacrifice their assets for developement govt gave them lot of other assets .I am talking about Haryana Government.
Sir those people are farmers, they have political clout ... Haryana has one of the best compensation policy, sadly thats a state affair, states like gujrat, maharashtra, madhya-pradesh, odissa ,chhattisgarh. Narmada controversy arose because of unfair compensation ... these villagers were only compensated for 1 crop cycle .. not for their house , farms etc that would have helped them relocate.
The best thing would be ... given them houses .. farm and little money so that they can carry on with their lives

If our Courts is a joke then we 125 crore are also a joke.Things wont solve like that.I know our nations have some short comings.But if the government did anything wrong peoples choice is court and that is the law.
Who will do it ?? we have elected the govt to pass laws and mend the police and courts ... they haven't done it for past 20 years. In 1996 supreme court ordered the state govt to make police transfers and promotion independent to home minister of that particular state ... none of them have done it.


There is also another problem if people like Medha oppose these projects government dont initiate projects and in long term it hurt our growth and then also jobs and cause unemployment.I think that is not also good in a country with majority youths.
Do you want to scarifies these people for our growth ?? The govt is regulated by law to provide adequate compensation .. why dont they do it ? Sir we would have taken they right to live away ... the fundamental right provided by India to all its citizens
 

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Sir those people are farmers, they have political clout ... Haryana has one of the best compensation policy, sadly thats a state affair, states like gujrat, maharashtra, madhya-pradesh, odissa ,chhattisgarh. Narmada controversy arose because of unfair compensation ... these villagers were only compensated for 1 crop cycle .. not for their house , farms etc that would have helped them relocate.
The best thing would be ... given them houses .. farm and little money so that they can carry on with their lives


Who will do it ?? we have elected the govt to pass laws and mend the police and courts ... they haven't done it for past 20 years. In 1996 supreme court ordered the state govt to make police transfers and promotion independent to home minister of that particular state ... none of them have done it.




Do you want to scarifies these people for our growth ?? The govt is regulated by law to provide adequate compensation .. why dont they do it ? Sir we would have taken they right to live away ... the fundamental right provided by India to all its citizens
You said it .It is state affairs.But stalling a good development
wont give required compensation.And government already ensure sufficient compensation when a project is passed.But corrupt officiLs stole it.So these activits must sack that officilas .Stalling project will always backfire.
Centre also need to consider about long term growth and explosion of population of youths.If these youths turn against state due to lack of job who take responsibility for that?
 

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You said it .It is state affairs.But stalling a good development
wont give required compensation.And government already ensure sufficient compensation when a project is passed.But corrupt officiLs stole it.So these activits must sack that officilas .Stalling project will always backfire.
Unfortunately these officials are backed by the state themselves... look at corruption in Maharashtra ... its traced back to the govt itself

Centre also need to consider about long term growth and explosion of population of youths.If these youths turn against state due to lack of job who take responsibility for that?
Yes that is bound to happen ... Congress going out of power is the first sign
 

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Unfortunately these officials are backed by the state themselves... look at corruption in Maharashtra ... its traced back to the govt itself


Yes that is bound to happen ... Congress going out of power is the first sign
GoI knows it more than you and me.So they will initiate economic reforms and in for a short term it will move with an emergency .Any NGOs stand against it will find their place in jail.Youths also ensured a clear mandate for that.
 

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GoI knows it more than you and me.So they will initiate economic reforms and in for a short term it will move with an emergency ..
I say with some conviction because i myself indulge in civil development projects

Any NGOs stand against it will find their place in jail.Youths also ensured a clear mandate for that.
Moving towards extreme position ... we Indians never like to admit our mistakes do we ?
 

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I say with some conviction because i myself indulge in civil development projects


Moving towards extreme position ... we Indians never like to admit our mistakes do we ?
But policy makers knows more than a person working in civil development projects .they create our future.
Unfortunately we dont have any other choice.
13 million youths adding in to the job market every year and it is going to increase in coming years.GoI dont have any other choice,
 

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