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BUT THEIR SU-30's "DEFEATED" Pak F-16's by shooting it's AMRAAMS down.

And their 300+ Mig-21's are able to take out Pak's F-16 C/D as well

So WHY DO THEY NEED and desperately crying for Rafales? Bhai they are the best air force in the world, seriously go look at the BR forums once in a while, they even compare the Tejas with the F-22!!! :woot::cheesy::omghaha:
 

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During an aerial skirmish on February 27, 2019, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 Bison was shot down by a radar-guided missile. The Pakistani Air Force (PAF) claims the kill was scored by a JF-17 Thunder, a domestically-built fighter built with Chinese assistance.

However, India subsequently revealed fragments of an AIM-120C-5 missile—a U.S.-built weapon only compatible with the American-built F-16s in PAF service. Pakistan has incentives to deny the use of F-16s, as secret end-user agreements may restrict the aircraft’s use against India—despite that being an obvious application of the venerable fourth-generation jet . India, meanwhile, claims the MiG-21’s pilot managed to shoot down an F-16.

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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...ersial-love-affair-f-16-fighting-falcon-47682
 

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Now read this article ....we need answers...beyond being biased....let the world knows the truth.

https://www.rt.com/news/453634-india-pakistan-f16-fighter-pilot/

India knows the identity of downed f 16 pilot....

So why does it not reveal it yet????

Oh she did....
I am not revealing the fact, but social media from Pakistan side has revealed the fact about death of their pilot in dogfight,” Sitharaman said.
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Which is the planted story about a fictional shahzaz ud din
 

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Guys, go easy on @placemat and other Indian members, they are guests on PAKISTAN defence forum. Now we know they are hurt so don't take those posts about shooting down a F-16 etc seriously. The issue have been talked about and debated to death already, with ABSOLUTELY no proof at least allow them to find solace in fantasies. Just let them be!
Likewise. Both sides take solace with their versions . all we ask for is a civil discussion rather tHan personal attacks.
Like I said earlier both sides have a version and what we will get to see is no more than what the govts wish to reveal.
 

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Likewise. Both sides take solace with their versions . all we ask for is a civil discussion rather tHan personal attacks.
Like I said earlier both sides have a version and what we will get to see is no more than what the govts wish to reveal.
Not likewise, one side have plenty of evidence to show for! Other have restored to rantings!
Now think about the aircraft wreckage, a captured pilot and all before deciding which side have evidence.
 

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Not likewise, one side have plenty of evidence to show for! Other have restored to rantings!
Now think about the aircraft wreckage, a captured pilot and all before deciding which side have evidence.
Nope it's just that you don't want to look at the evidence of the other side. Your govt said f16 was not used. Clearly they were. If you use the adage that once a lie has been told, no testimony is credible then nothing much from PAf can be credible.
But I don't want to talk anymore. You may have the last word.
The only reason one side has plenty of evidence is because the battle was taken into their side. India will come to her conclusion with the evidence they have.
 
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Yes, and the entire world is an idiot :P :D

I know sir, after that hot air Modi have blown into ego of hyper-nationalist Indians like you, that little prick of the bubble by PAF was both hurting and humiliating. Its basic human psychology that in such a case he/she will try to find some comfort in lies. Your media did the right thing and immediately started churning out lies to give you some comfort. However, being a human, an intelligent being that is, we expect that once those lies are INTERNATIONALLY debunked you also come to the fact and accept the harsh realities of this cruel world.

No that AIM120 was not proof of F-16 getting shot, F-16 being INVOLVED in combat may be but NOT getting shot. :) That is not what i am saying, this is exactly what the WORLD said.
No that wreckage your media houses claimed to be of F-16 was NOT of F-16. It was your own Mig.

Read here:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/myth-of-iaf-shooting-f-16-debunked-indian-lies-exposed-again.605903/

I wish you speedy recover from that trauma. Recommend you to take some time off and seek help for PTSD sir.
Look you talked about f16 being used does not mean that it was taken down in one of your arguments. Pak govt denies it F16 was used.
I cannot bring a conclusive proof of what happened. Like you said this is an online forum. Anything could have happened and I would hazard a guess that 99% members have no clue what happened and I will be the first one to admit that I am one of them. The only evidence we have is that indian mig 21 was taken down when the pilot chased your planes (don't know which one) into Pak. The probability of a plane being taken down in enemy territory is indeed high. Doesn't say anything about anything. There is even no conclusive proof of how it crashed.
So let's leave it at that and move on.
 

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Nope it's just that you don't want to look at the evidence of the other side. Your govt said f16 was not used. Clearly they were. If you use the adage that once a lie has been told, no testimony is credible then nothing much from PAf can be credible.
But I don't want to talk anymore. You may have the last word.
The only reason one side has plenty of evidence is because the battle was taken into their side. India will come to her conclusion with the evidence they have.
What evidence, please share, i am all ears.

Our side said the F-16 was not used in STRIKE PACKAGE. That is the planes that made up a strike formation and attacked six targets inside Indian Occupied Kashmir. The F-16s were however on CAP duty. It isn't very hard to understand what argument hold weight and which is based on fantasies and lies my friend. Again, i understand if you wanted to have a F-16 shot down but to make that claim, at least make an argument if you cannot provide evidence. The battle happened on the border, we shot two IAF aircraft, one fell on our side and we have a the wreckage and captured pilot as proof. The wreckage can be studied and debated if you want to and it PROVES it was an aerial kill not SAM or technical glitch. The second IAF plane shot fell on Indian occupied side. We have videos (amateur ones) that show multiple ejections/parachutes. That is not very credible proof but it is still better than nothing, that you have. :)
An Indian helicopter was also shot. Most likely by your own aircraft, we have been saying this for weeks now but yesterday your authorities also started admitting it so please see how your authorities have been deceiving you in past few weeks. A few more weeks, may be after elections and you will start to hear about that Su30 as well.
 

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What evidence, please share, i am all ears.

Our side said the F-16 was not used in STRIKE PACKAGE. That is the planes that made up a strike formation and attacked six targets inside Indian Occupied Kashmir. The F-16s were however on CAP duty. It isn't very hard to understand what argument hold weight and which is based on fantasies and lies my friend. Again, i understand if you wanted to have a F-16 shot down but to make that claim, at least make an argument if you cannot provide evidence. The battle happened on the border, we shot two IAF aircraft, one fell on our side and we have a the wreckage and captured pilot as proof. The wreckage can be studied and debated if you want to and it PROVES it was an aerial kill not SAM or technical glitch. The second IAF plane shot fell on Indian occupied side. We have videos (amateur ones) that show multiple ejections/parachutes. That is not very credible proof but it is still better than nothing, that you have. :)
An Indian helicopter was also shot. Most likely by your own aircraft, we have been saying this for weeks now but yesterday your authorities also started admitting it so please see how your authorities have been deceiving you in past few weeks. A few more weeks, may be after elections and you will start to hear about that Su30 as well.
Maybe.. so lets wait till a more evidence surfaces. I will go by amraam parts displayed from our side . Just as you can't get proof of su30 because it fell on our side I can't get proof of f16. I can only go by what I see on Indian media and by the govt. As and when these claims are disproved I am willing to stand corrected. Let's accept that in a war like scenario neither side is going to tell the truth if it's going to have adverse effects . I can respect that from Pak side . So let's wait and see. Both the armies are professional and have the same British pedigree. Capabilities may be similar . So lets maintain a sense of level headedness and wait for more info.
If you want me to say that my earlier comments and assertions are false I can say there is a chance that they are false .

Moving our conversation here @placemat
We did display wreckage of F16 missiles. Was that the amraam? Agree it's not proof that f16 was brought down. Unfortunately I don't have any further proof except comments from govt . I will stand corrected if conclusive proof comes up.
You are correct that I heard about the friendly fire theory. You maybe right about su30 and I maybe right about f16.
 

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Maybe.. so lets wait till a more evidence surfaces. I will go by amraam parts displayed from our side . Just as you can't get proof of su30 because it fell on our side I can't get proof of f16. I can only go by what I see on Indian media and by the govt. As and when these claims are disproved I am willing to stand corrected. Let's accept that in a war like scenario neither side is going to tell the truth if it's going to have adverse effects . I can respect that from Pak side . So let's wait and see. Both the armies are professional and have the same British pedigree. Capabilities may be similar . So lets maintain a sense of level headedness and wait for more info.
If you want me to say that my earlier comments and assertions are false I can say there is a chance that they are false .


We did display wreckage of F16 missiles. Was that the amraam? Agree it's not proof that f16 was brought down. Unfortunately I don't have any further proof except comments from govt . I will stand corrected if conclusive proof comes up.
You are correct that I heard about the friendly fire theory. You maybe right about su30 and I maybe right about f16.
How on this this earth someone shows wreckage of fired Missile as an evidence of downed fighter jet? Please stop.
 

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Maybe.. so lets wait till a more evidence surfaces. I will go by amraam parts displayed from our side . Just as you can't get proof of su30 because it fell on our side I can't get proof of f16. I can only go by what I see on Indian media and by the govt. As and when these claims are disproved I am willing to stand corrected. Let's accept that in a war like scenario neither side is going to tell the truth if it's going to have adverse effects . I can respect that from Pak side . So let's wait and see. Both the armies are professional and have the same British pedigree. Capabilities may be similar . So lets maintain a sense of level headedness and wait for more info.
If you want me to say that my earlier comments and assertions are false I can say there is a chance that they are false .


We did display wreckage of F16 missiles. Was that the amraam? Agree it's not proof that f16 was brought down. Unfortunately I don't have any further proof except comments from govt . I will stand corrected if conclusive proof comes up.
You are correct that I heard about the friendly fire theory. You maybe right about su30 and I maybe right about f16.
Sir, the logical thing is to study the evidence that we have and then may be (if you desperately want to) say that ok, let more evidence come to light and i hope it will be somewhat similar to what we have.

What Indian media and gov. have said so far holds no water, in fact, they are going back on what they have said so far. The wreckage of AMI120 was (if it was PAF missile) proof that F-16 was there. I have explained that it was there on CAP. If you are really interested in learning more about it listen to original DG ISPR press conference. He talks about a strike package and then goes on to add that no F-16 was involved. It have been clarified since then that no F-16 was used for strike on Indian targets. However a F-16 on CAP firing an AIM120 is not surprising and that also do not means a F-16 was shot, i mean, this is absolutely ridiculous to make that claim don't you think?

So far there is nothing to give a hint about you being right about F-16. Dont you think? The media that you want to believe in or the authorities you said you agree with are the same that:
  1. Hilariously waved AIM120 as proof of F-166 getting shot. Think about it, was it a proof?
  2. Tried to claim the wreckage of Mig21 as F16 derby. It was even discussed in Times of India program, Rahul Kanwal it was. This very thread is about exposing that lame claim, go through it and let me know where you find any short comings.
  3. Said that a Pakistan jet was shot down by Chinese SAM when a plane skidded off runway, was recovered with no loss/damage. Next day, admitted that the Mi17 shot in Kashmir was a friendly fire incident.
Yes its your choice if you want to believe that but surely we will expose and debate how stupid of a choice this really is. I mean, this is a debate forum right? We will debate and discuss such things and try to be reasonable and logical in claims we make.
 

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