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Compiling this post based on various inputs from our members, media and experts to put an end to the ridiculous propaganda from India and exposing their efforts to portray their shot down Mig-21 as a Pakistani F-16.

Point 1: Lets start with some common sense? Do Indian media and their public really think we are so stupid that we will show the wreckage of our own F-16 and claim it to be IAF Mig-21, especially when Indian authorities and media have already acknowledged that an IAF Mig-21 was shot down and it did fell on Pakistan’s side of LoC, meaning that they do have the wreckage of that plane anyway. Why would the authorities use the pictures of an F-16 when we do have the IAF plane falling on our side, as confirmed by Indians themselves.

Well, i wont waste any more time with common sense or logic as usually it is not very helpful while debating or discussing with our Indian friends.


The Indian media have claimed the below image to be wreckage of the shot down PAF F-16. This you guys can confirm from multiple Indian defense sites and news links.
D0Zed5mXgAAiX-g-min-1024x683.jpg

Picture 1
Let us analyze it.

Point 2: We start with the serial number on the engine bay. It reads 80269, some Indian fanboys twisted it and Indian media have claimed that the F-16 shot down serial 78-0629 and in some cases 80-0629 well check F-16.net (click on the serial numbers mentioned earlier), its not PAF F-16!
Still, read again, the number on engine bay is 80269 NOT 78-0629 anyway.
80269.jpg

Picture 2
(Image in green square above enhanced - Try zooming the picture on media yourself)

Point 3:
Also in the above picture, you can see a plane number mentioned on a panel marked in red squared for identification. It reads CU2328.
CU 2829.jpg

Picture 3
(Image rotated 180 degree and enhanced - Pic any picture from the Indian media sources, change contrast and color balance yourself)

Now lets have a loot at the same wreckage shown in picture 1 but from the other side.
G1NYkjc.jpg

Picture 4

Compare feature A, B and C to confirm that both pictures are of same wreck and once satisfied, check the flag on tail. Not our "taranga" mate!!
We painted it? How about the duct under tail marked in yellow box?
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Picture 5
Point 4: Remember the number CU2328 mentioned in inside of plane as shown in picture 1 and picture 3, well....
WRECKAGE of Indian Jet in Pak 27-2-2019(9).jpg

Picture 6
Seems "our F-16" and their shot down Mig-21 share the aircraft number (same CU2328 on Mig 21 tail)

Point 5: Some Indian fanboys and media channels were jumping with joy, claiming the below picture to be of engine bay of F-16, comparing it with General Electric GE F110 engine. What they forgot to note in their excitement was the fact that PAF uses pratt and whitney F-100PW200 and F-100PW229 engines. See any different?
Pak_F16_wreckage-min.jpg

Picture 7
Well, if you cant, listen to this Indian defence analyst as he explained it very well while conducting a Surgical strike on the stupid Indian media anchor!!




NOTE: The images are taken from Indian media sources and have been helped by debate and discussion of online community, specially members of www.defence.pk

(will add more information in follow up posts)
 
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Compiling this post based on various inputs from our members, media and experts to put an end to the ridiculous propaganda from India and exposing their efforts to portray their shot down Mig-21 as a Pakistani F-16.

Point 1: Lets start with some common sense? Do Indian media and their public really think we are so stupid that we will show the wreckage of our own F-16 and claim it to be IAF Mig-21, especially when Indian authorities and media have already acknowledged that an IAF Mig-21 was shot down and it did fell on Pakistan’s side of LoC, meaning that they do have the wreckage of that plane anyway. Why would the authorities use the pictures of an F-16 when we do have the IAF plane falling on our side, as confirmed by Indians themselves.

Well, i wont waste any more time with common sense or logic as usually it is not very helpful while debating or discussing with our Indian friends.


The Indian media have claimed the below image to be wreckage of the shot down PAF F-16. This you guys can confirm from multiple Indian defense sites and news links.
View attachment 543215
Picture 1
Let us analyze it.

Point 2: We start with the serial number on the engine bay. It reads 80269, some Indian fanboys twisted it and Indian media have claimed that the F-16 shot down serial 78-0629 and in some cases 80-0629 well check F-16.net (click on the serial numbers mentioned earlier), its not PAF F-16!
Still, read again, the number on engine bay is 80269 NOT 78-0629 anyway.
View attachment 543216
Picture 2
(Image in green square above enhanced - Try zooming the picture on media yourself)

Point 3:
Also in the above picture, you can see a plane number mentioned on a panel marked in red squared for identification. It reads CU2328.
View attachment 543217
Picture 3
(Image rotated 180 degree and enhanced - Pic any picture from the Indian media sources, change contrast and color balance yourself)

Now lets have a loot at the same wreckage shown in picture 1 but from the other side.
View attachment 543250
Picture 4

Compare feature A, B and C to confirm that both pictures are of same wreck and once satisfied, check the flag on tail. Not our "taranga" mate!!
We painted it? How about the duct under tail marked in yellow box?
View attachment 543251
Picture 5
Point 4: Remember the number CU2328 mentioned in inside of plane as shown in picture 1 and picture 3, well....
View attachment 543226
Picture 6
Seems "our F-16" and their shot down Mig-21 share the aircraft number (same CU2328 on Mig 21 tail)

Point 5: Some Indian fanboys and media channels were jumping with joy, claiming the below picture to be of engine bay of F-16, comparing it with General Electric GE F110 engine. What they forgot to note in their excitement was the fact that PAF uses pratt and whitney F-100PW200 and F-100PW229 engines. See any different?
View attachment 543252
Picture 7
Well, if you cant, listen to this Indian defence analyst as he explained it very well while conducting a Surgical strike on the stupid Indian media anchor!!



NOTE: The images are taken from Indian media sources and have been helped by debate and discussion of online community, specially members of www.defence.pk

(will add more information in follow up posts)
Great post, also at https://www.scramble.nl/military-database, under "India" from "Asian Air Forces" drop down, inputting "CU2328" gives us a result of the Mig-21 Bison as Active in IAF. Can't believe we have to show the very obvious to the Indians to prove it.
 

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Great post, also at https://www.scramble.nl/military-database, under "India" from "Asian Air Forces" drop down, inputting "CU2328" gives us a result of the Mig-21 Bison as Active in IAF. Can't believe we have to show the very obvious to the Indians to prove it.
Wow!!!

I wish Tribune and Dawn would wake up, stop being anti-state and debunk these myths for international readers.
 

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and for those Indians who claim the 'downed' F-16 is the same which we bought from Jordan few years back plz have a look at the serial number of our F-16 ADF version

PAF F-16 Inventory.jpg

source: F-16.net

Further note ADF version which is blk-15 air frame [click here] is different from serial 78-0269 F-16 blk-20 version as claimed by Indians propaganda machines transferred to PAF.

Again Blk-15 ADF is different from Blk-20
 

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Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
March 2, 2019

By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.



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File picture of cross section of F16 engine and wreckage of downed Pakistani F16 jet


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step to confirm that its a F16 debris

1. check box no. in 1st img.

2. search it in F16 database, link below.http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16 …

3. It's Jordan F16. How it's reached Pak, link below.https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/us-pakistan-f-16-deal-is-dead-islamabad-mulling-jordan-f-16-fighter-jets-instead/ …

credit of info- @SamStein357 #Abhinandan


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The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.


A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 enginefound on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:


If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.


For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.


In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.


So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.


Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.


In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/
 

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Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
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By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.



ANI

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File picture of cross section of F16 engine and wreckage of downed Pakistani F16 jet


10.9K

10:45 - 28 Feb 2019

6,285 people are talking about this

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Tuku@tukupanti


step to confirm that its a F16 debris

1. check box no. in 1st img.

2. search it in F16 database, link below.http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16 …

3. It's Jordan F16. How it's reached Pak, link below.https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/us-pakistan-f-16-deal-is-dead-islamabad-mulling-jordan-f-16-fighter-jets-instead/ …

credit of info- @SamStein357 #Abhinandan


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The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.


A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 enginefound on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:


If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.


For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.


In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.


So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.


Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.


In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/
Haha, even international media is done with India's shit.

First air force monthly blog (for aviation enthusiasts), now even this :)

Veli-Pekka is a doctoral student at Finnish National Defence University, researching social media and open source intelligence. He has a long background in the technology industry, more recently focusing on defense research.
 

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paf f-16s dont have GE F110. they have PW f100 which has totally different pattern. i think only blk 52s have f110 but they are not located anywhere close to LOC.
 

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already proved that it belongs to mig21 so ignore indian media lies they have no proof of downed f16 and this discussion should end now
 

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paf f-16s dont have GE F110. they have PW f100 which has totally different pattern. i think only blk 52s have f110 but they are not located anywhere close to LOC.
The '2' in the 'Block 52+' stands for the Pratt & Whitney engine. If there was a GE engine in them then they would've been designated 'Block 50+'. So no, none of our F-16s have the F110. The Block 52+ have the F100-PW-229 engine.
 

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Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
March 2, 2019

By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.





The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.


A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 engine found on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:


If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.


For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.


In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.


So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.


Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.


In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.
 

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