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It's a BS story, thank you for pointing that out.
IT could be a true story. Indians have this habit of calling acquaintances as "friends".

I was just reminding him that its dangerous to be "friends" with people who send their children to madrassa even when they can afford modern school education.
 

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I have a Muslim friend here who is a bank employee (clerk). He makes a decent living with a salary of 40000+. Yesterday, we were talking about schooling his 4 year old son. I said may be next year he'd have to send his son to school. So I suggested why not send his wife to the same school as teacher. She has the qualifications for it. He was really upset for saying this to him. His plans were to make his son educated in Quran and make him a mullah of a mosque. Obviously you can guess where he stands with respect to sending his wife as a teacher. No one is stopping muslims from being progressive in India but themselves.
I can vouch Indian Muslims are more fundamentalist/extremist regarding the religion compared to Pakistan Muslims....it is proved that if one dominant group moves towards the right...the other smaller group also do the same.

Just like in US, looking at the extra promiscuous open society, many Muslim parents worried about their daughters keep them in purdah, or discourage them to go for open mingling, male child too looking at the drug/gun culture there in US. And they take refuge and respite in religion...

I think Indian Muslims looking at the discrimination and overall hatred, and being less assimilated in Hindu India is taking a refuge in fundamentalist/basic Islam, and they live in close knit Muslim groups, pray together, want to live and support each other, in case of hostilities and attacks from mobs they feel safe, in addition to the other factor I mentioned.

In Delhi recent attacks many of the Muslim families said that Hindu neighbors, living together for many decades helped the Hindu extremist goons/mobs in pointing to the Muslim homes...hatred has totally changed the societal norms there, rearing its ugly head.
 

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Ask your govt. to give her a UK visa so she can come stay in UK.

You do want to end her suffering, right ?


Did muslims learn to wash properly because they lived in a desert with little to no water ?
They had wells moron for water.
And they weren’t jumping in a shit filled river for 5K+ years.
 

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I can vouch Indian Muslims are more fundamentalist/extremist regarding the religion compared to Pakistan Muslims....it is proved that if one dominant group moves towards the right...the other smaller group also do the same.

Just like in US, looking at the extra promiscuous open society, many Muslim parents worried about their daughters keep them in purdah, or discourage them to go for open mingling, male child too looking at the drug/gun culture there in US. And they take refuge and respite in religion...

I think Indian Muslims looking at the discrimination and overall hatred, and being less assimilated in Hindu India is taking a refuge in fundamentalist/basic Islam, and they live in close knit Muslim groups, pray together, want to live and support each other, in case of hostilities and attacks from mobs they feel safe, in addition to the other factor I mentioned.

In Delhi recent attacks many of the Muslim families said that Hindu neighbors, living together for many decades helped the Hindu extremist goons/mobs in pointing to the Muslim homes...hatred has totally changed the societal norms there, rearing its ugly head.
Nothing of this sort is happening in India. Muslims go to their work and go home and pray. All this is in your mind. Rest easy. We are okay.

We also don't rent to Bachelors or all girls or large families, families with pets. It doesn't mean all these groups will start revolting, seeing it as a hate. This muslim discrimination has been happening for long, nothing happened till now, nothing will happen in the future.
 
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Ask your govt. to give her a UK visa so she can come stay in UK.

You do want to end her suffering, right ?


Did muslims learn to wash properly because they lived in a desert with little to no water ?
We wash ourselves five times a day before every prayer, the bottom of our feets are literally more cleaner than your face.
 

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Landlords don't rent to - Bachelors, People with Pets, Others (Caste, Creed, Region, Religion), Non-vegetarians etc. They have their reasons, anyways their property their decision. Not renting to Muslims one major reason is Bakri Eid, the landlord will get choicest abuses from other property owners if he rents to a Muslim and he kills a animal in the society premises where vegetarians live. Also Muslims are more involved in crime and hence people are suspicious of them so avoid them altogether.
 

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What is mussal-maan is a vegan or offers more money than others then what?
 

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What is mussal-maan is a vegan or offers more money than others then what?
What if mussal-maan is a vegan and offers more money than others then what?
Then baniya will happily accept the tenet and will say "you are just like us, Bro!".
And he will also tell his friends "Abdul is not typical Muslim type, he is just like us !"

So, the basic problem is us and them !
 

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After living in a one-room apartment with 3 cats and visiting family members for six years, I felt it was time for me to move to a bigger house. This was the second time in my 13-year stay in Mumbai that I had to hunt for a house.

The first exercise six years ago was pretty smooth. My first house is located in the Lower Parel area, and I love the address given its proximity to my office, shopping malls, grocery markets, to name a few.

Sure, there are some drawbacks as well. It’s a commercial hub and constantly busy with construction activity and vehicular traffic, the main sources of air and noise pollution.

So for my next house, I started looking at the suburbs of Bandra, Khar, Santacruz, which are mostly residential areas with wide roads and a lot of greenery. I began contacting brokers with my requirement and budget. Many of them posted the houses available for lease on various Facebook groups.

This is very helpful as you get a brief idea about the house without actually visiting it. The brokers generally write details about the house layout, size, number of rooms, available amenities, and the asking rent in the Facebook posts. But they hide the most crucial information and that is the owners’ preferences for a tenant.

"Bachelors ko nahi denge, girls ko nahi denge, family ko nahin denge" are some of the known reservations of many house owners.

My first call to a broker was no less than a telephonic interview for a matrimonial. I liked the house he had posted on Facebook and wanted to check if I could come for a visit. So he asked me a few questions about my profession, my budget, requirement and how long I would want the house for. But for me, the most humiliating was, "Oh aap Muslim ho? Sorry, Muslims ko nahin denge”. This was the first time someone had rejected me for my religion. And these are the upmarket areas of the city.

I am a native of Ratnagiri, a district in Maharashtra renowned for alphonso mangoes, and which has a sizeable population of both Hindus and Muslims. We grew up celebrating all festivals together with equal fervour. I would go for Ganesh pooja at my friend’s place and wait for the modak. They would come to my house on Eid to eat sheerkurma and biryani. Religion never separated us from playing hide & seek in a temple or bunking college classes together.

So I was shocked to hear the broker’s blatant comment but had no choice than disconnect the call. I had heard many instances of such religious bias in Mumbai’s rental property market, but I was certain that a few cases would have been blown out of proportion. Despite the nasty experience with the broker, I still felt it could be a one-off incident and decided to try my luck elsewhere.

The next day I get a call from another broker who had a nice 2BHK available in my budget. Surprisingly, he didn’t ask me many questions and directly invited me for a visit. I was excited that my house hunt was coming to an end soon. The house had good vibes, it was furnished and was close to the railway station, something office-goers always look for. So we started talking about rent and how long would the lease be.

During the conversation, I got a call from my father and I greeted him with a traditional Salaam. I told my father I would call him in some time as I was finalising the house. After I hung up the call, the broker asked me, “Madam aap Muslim ho kya?” With a lot of hesitation I said

“Yes, kyu? kuch problem hai?”

The broker himself was a Muslim, and embarrassedly he said, “Ma’am owner Muslim ko nahin dena chahte.”

I quietly stepped out of the house while the broker kept apologising for not letting me know about the owner’s preference earlier. I was hurt and angry by those words. I wanted to call the owner and ask how did he imagine that I was going to harm him.

But then, I felt it was up to the owner to decide whom he wanted as a tenant. I still did not lose hope, and continued with the quest for a roof.

After the COVID-19 lockdown, rentals came down crashing as many tenants started vacating houses. Some lost their job, some were told to work from home so they temporarily shifted back to their native places leading to several vacant houses. I was still looking for houses and saw this as a good opportunity. But this time I started telling the brokers beforehand about my religion so that they show me only those houses where "Muslims are allowed" and I don’t face any more humiliation. But then, they started taking me to Muslim dominated localities and showed me houses that weren’t appealing at all.

"Aapke budget mein yehi ghar milega” is what one broker told me.

I gradually got used to getting turned down for extremely good houses just because of my religion. I was so frustrated that I started asking brokers “Kya problem hai Muslim hone se?”

"Unko pure vegetarian chahiye,” one broker said.

"Kitne log pure veg milenge Mumbai mein?” I questioned.

"Unko (owner) usse fark nahi padta…wo vacant rakhenge par Muslim ko nahin denge,” he said.

I started wondering if it’s only Muslims who eat non-veg in this country?
A popular broker from Bandra told me that of all the rental houses he is handling in the suburbs, about 60 percent are strictly not available for Muslims.

“Why don’t’ you specify this in your Facebook posts?” I asked him.

“I can’t write this directly. I will lose Muslim clients”, he replied.

One broker took me to a high rise, with huge balconies and a beautiful view. He probably forgot to ask me about my religion or he may have assumed I am not a Muslim. People say I look like a Gujarati, some say Punjabi and some say Pahadi. After seeing the house, I asked him upfront,

"Owner ko Muslim se koi problem nahi hai na?” Upon hearing that, his expressions underwent a sudden change.

“Aap Muslim ho?” he asked and then the rest is for you to guess.

One broker told me that some owners have had bad experiences with Muslims and hence the resistance. That may well be the case, but then, there are bad apples in all communities. Has every Muslim in Mumbai become bad and undeserving to be taken on as a tenant? Is it fair to hate the entire community for the misdeeds, if at all, of the few?

But I have not lost hope yet. This is not called a city of dreams for nothing. I am hopeful that I will soon cross paths with a fair-minded landlord.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/views/muslims-not-allowed


hindus of india are clearly among the worst of any community...... so glad we have Pakistan
 

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This is a bit exaggerating.
I am living in Mumbai for 17 years and I know the truth very well.
I accept there are some societies where only one particular community people resides, they don't allow other community people to buy a flat in their society. But this is not because of like they hate other communities but they just want to live within their own like people.
For example, there is an area called New Nagar (mira road) in Mumbai, it just 200 meters far where I live. Only Muslims people reside in this area, no non muslims people can buy flat in most of the part on this area. But no Hindu complaint about it ever. Bcz they understand their sentiments. Even once I tried to rent a house in this area but the agent told me that non Muslims can't rent out it here bcz the whole society is muslims. But I never complaint about it or wrote articles on it.
And there are many jains and Buddhists societies too where only particular community people can buy a flat. But this is just in 0.00000001‰ of the part of Mumbai. Rest Mumbai is very fine with each other.
Its all about sentiments and living with their own people alike, not about hate.
I do understand what you are saying, but I think it needs to be recognised that over the past 70 years India has been on a long slow slid, that has bought it to this point, exclusive areas shouldn't be there after 70 years of independence and push for secular communal harmony, but, it has gone the other way.

Hindus don't except for one reason, Muslims maybe because they are scared or afraid to express themselves in company of others etc etc etc. But, the point is, it shouldn't be like this at this stage of India's independence. There is something seriously wrong.

Most of my circle right now is Indian background, especially people from Maharashtra, Bihar, West Bengal and Punjab. Ask me anything and I'll have the information for you as soon as I get a reply to a text message. I have seen the change as expressed by them, not just from news and other visual and written sources. They are Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and Christian and I have seen a change in all of them.

Issue exist everywhere, especially in a developing region, such as ours, but what has been happening and still ongoing in India is something on another level, it is for you guys to recognise or not, it makes no difference to us. But, from someone who ultimately sees Indians as my brothers and sisters, I wish for normality, for something that will lead us towards a peaceful future. I am by nature a positive person, for once, I can see my hope draining away. I honestly wish the best for you guys.
 

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We wash ourselves five times a day before every prayer, the bottom of our feets are literally more cleaner than your face.
lol. Splashing water on your face and elbow is not what we Hindus called "washing".

Now try to find out why the invention of Attar was so important to your ancestors.

Here is a hint, it was invented for the same reason the french invented perfumes. :lol:
 

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Ask your govt. to give her a UK visa so she can come stay in UK.

You do want to end her suffering, right ?
You'll be happy to know the UK government has already started granting asylum to Muslims from India, based or persecution.

Pakistan government has been doing it quietly for decades, I know that 100%.

See, who knew you'll get two pieces of good news from me, I want methai OK.
And, please no poison, don't be naughty now.
 

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I do understand what you are saying, but I think it needs to be recognised that over the past 70 years India has been on a long slow slid, that has bought it to this point, exclusive areas shouldn't be there after 70 years of independence and push for secular communal harmony, but, it has gone the other way.

Hindus don't except for one reason, Muslims maybe because they are scared or afraid to express themselves in company of others etc etc etc. But, the point is, it shouldn't be like this at this stage of India's independence. There is something seriously wrong.

Most of my circle right now is Indian background, especially people from Maharashtra, Bihar, West Bengal and Punjab. Ask me anything and I'll have the information for you as soon as I get a reply to a text message. I have seen the change as expressed by them, not just from news and other visual and written sources. They are Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and Christian and I have seen a change in all of them.

Issue exist everywhere, especially in a developing region, such as ours, but what has been happening and still ongoing in India is something on another level, it is for you guys to recognise or not, it makes no difference to us. But, from someone who ultimately sees Indians as my brothers and sisters, I wish for normality, for something that will lead us towards a peaceful future. I am by nature a positive person, for once, I can see my hope draining away. I honestly wish the best for you guys.
By your post it is clear what is your definition of "normality". It sounds a bit like the british longing for the "good old days". (Yeah, I know you are of pakistani origin).

But I am happy to tell you that those "good old days" are never coming back.

It gets worse.

As India gets more powerful, and starts to assert itself more, you are going to be more disappointed.

You will be forced to acknowledge ALL the evils of the past done in the name of your religion and your 'race' or 'culture'. You will be forced to accommodate and be more RESPECTFUL of Hindus and their practices. Be more accommodating of Hindu practices and your ability to mock Hindus is going to reduce with every passing day.

You will soon find that just being "tolerant" is not good enough, that you will actually have to give respect to get some back.

I can see how painful and discomforting it is going to be and I am going to enjoy every bit of it.

cheers.
You'll be happy to know the UK government has already started granting asylum to Muslims from India, based or persecution.

Pakistan government has been doing it quietly for decades, I know that 100%.

See, who knew you'll get two pieces of good news from me, I want methai OK.
And, please no poison, don't be naughty now.
LOL. If only your fantasy was reality :lol:

I will give your temple prasad as methai and will happily watch you eat it.
 

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