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Muslim attacks on Egyptian Christians rising

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    In post-Arab Spring Egypt, Muslim attacks on Christians are rising

    By Sudarsan Raghavan November 13 at 5:39 PM

    In Syria and Iraq, Islamic State militants have destroyed churches, abducted Christians and carried out forced conversions. Thousands of Christians have fled their homes in northern Iraq. In Libya last year, Islamic State militants beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians and an additional 31 Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians in two separate attacks. And earlier this year, the Islamic State’s affiliate in Egypt asserted responsibility for the fatal shooting of a priest.

    In Egypt, a “disturbing wave of radicalism” has emerged from the uprising and changes in government and as the economy has worsened, said Bishop Angaelos, head of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the United Kingdom.

    Egypt’s Christians, who make up 10 percent of the population of 94 million, have felt besieged for decades. In a nation where Islam is the state religion, successive secular but authoritarian regimes have restricted Christians from practicing their beliefs, even though freedom of religion is enshrined in the constitution.

    But since January 2011, 77 sectarian attacks have taken place in Minya alone, according to the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), an activist group.

    Nearly half of those attacks occurred in the past three years, after Egypt’s elected Islamist President Mohammed Morsi was ousted in the military coup led by Sissi in 2013. In the days that followed, mobs of hard-line Muslims targeted Christian schools, businesses and churches in a wave of attacks. Many Islamists accused Christians of conspiring with Sissi against them. Since then, tensions have been raw.

    At least 25 sectarian attacks have been reported around the nation this year, activists say.

    “When an individual is acquitted after an attack, the community knows they can get away with attacking Christians,” Makarios said.

    Before the revolution, Christians were targeted mostly by militant groups and thieves. “Now the violence has a societal element to it, with Muslim and Christian citizens turning against each other,” said Ishak Ibrahim, a researcher at EIPR.

    As Egypt’s economy struggles, calls for protests against Sissi grow louder]

    Muslims say they have no problems with their Christian neighbors. Some noted that in Asem they are a minority, and so cannot afford to antagonize Christians.

    Unemployment and illiteracy are high in Minya, and government services are limited. Radical Islamists have filled the void, influencing people with anti-Christian rhetoric, community leaders and activists say. The province is a stronghold of extremist Islamist groups, in particular Gamaa Islamiya, which the United States and its allies consider a terrorist organization.

    In June, a crowd of Muslims stabbed a Christian death. That came days after a mob torched the houses of Christians over a rumor that they wanted to convert buildings into churches.

    A month earlier, a Muslim mob forced a 70-year-old Christian woman to strip naked and parade down the street of their village after rumors spread that her son had had an affair with a Muslim woman. The rumor proved to be false.

    Her assailants were arrested but swiftly released on bail. The case has gone nowhere, though Bishop Makarios and other leaders asked Sissi to intervene.

    “The president pledged to follow up on the case, but sadly the judicial system did not follow,” Makarios said.

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    An Egyptian woman holds a sign with Arabic that reads, “the demands are not only for Christians but for all Egyptians,” during a protest in Cairo in August. (Nariman El-Mofty/AP)
    ‘We remain worried’
    It wasn’t the first time the law had let them down.

    Local officials often pressure Christians into mediating disputes instead of going to court and coerce them into changing their testimony, activists say.

    “These kinds of reconciliation sessions replace the rule of law,” Makarios said.

    “In most cases, the Christian victims are asked to give up their rights.”

    That’s what happening in Asem today.

    Othman and other Muslim leaders blamed Muslims for the attacks but also say they weren’t sectarian. Speaking on his cellphone, Othman instructed a Muslim community leader to say the attack was not motivated by religion, a conversation heard by two Washington Post reporters seated in the room during the call.

    Two hours later, the community leader, Anwar Osman, said: “It was not sectarian. It was a childish prank.” The Christians were just trying to get the public to “sympathize with them,” he said.

    Local officials and lawmakers insist that life is back to normal. “We all now talk to each other and visit each other,” Osman said. “Reconciliation has already happened.”

    But Christians say that is not true.

    “They claim that things are back to normal and we reconciled, just to make the public feel they have ended the crisis,” said Ishak Sobhy, Gamal’s brother. “We expected life to be better under Sissi for our community. But it’s actually getting worse.”

    Some Christians said they no longer walk in the village at night because they are afraid of being attacked.

    Others no longer trade in livestock, fearing they could be targeted in the fields.

    But Ishak Sobhy said his family refuses to drop the case. Gamal is still visiting doctors and recently learned that he has a detached retina. The Muslim man accused of instigating the clashes turned himself in but is out on bail, authorities said.

    “Life goes on,” Ishak Sobhy said. “But we remain worried.”

    Heba Mahfouz contributed to this report.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0a18e2-84fc-11e6-b57d-dd49277af02f_story.html
     
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    Its the way of the world now

    Minorities are being attacked and right wing politicians elected

    You have Trump in the U.S.A,
    Whole host of right wing European movements, politicians like Modi elected
     
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    Unfortunate that muslims have never treated their minorities with the respect they themselves want in western countries.
     
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    Well christians supported a bloody coup that murdered thousands of muslims in the streets.
     
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    To be honest though, Egypts current leadership is more moderate and secular than the Islamic TERRORIST extremist group called Muslim brotherhood. The rule of Islamist MB Morsi saw Egyptian Christians being targeted and churches destroyed or burnt by Islamists radical groups affiliated with Muslim brotherhood government who encouraged such acts . This led to large scale immigration by Coptic Christians fleeing persecution to western Countries and even regional countries like never before in Egypts history. Luckily the Egyptian people noticed the radical extremic tendency nd ideology of this terror group called the MB for what they are and rose up against them , they and their offshoot Hamas are different corners of the same coin and should be handled/dealt with accordingly. Sisi is doing a good job so far against these extremists/Terrorists. :). The international community needs to help him reform Egypt in this regard.
     
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    Egypt once a Christian country, got converted to Islam and now whatever Christianity (Copts) remaining will be also erased. No Vatican, No Antioch, No Russian to help. Christians are vulnerable in the sea of Hindus and Muslims.
     
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    well sucks for them...
     
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    So the European situation reached Christians in Egypt.. In times of extrem chaos where ppl are doing very wrong things you will see ppl rising and they will take advantage of the situation..

    Nothing new everywhere you can see minorities being attacked with handgranades like in germany or a angry mob going through the streets..

    Same here in germany when a mosque is attacked the same happens..

    Maybe one day Allah will grand Islam to Egypt to Turkey to whole Arabia and Asia ameen
     
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    The entire world is heading that way, no point in complaining about Egypt
     
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    there is no problem with Egyptian Christians relations between Egyptians are getting better after the brotherhood was forced out of our political life

    they dont need help from anyone terrorist attacks target everyone in Egypt

    majority of Egyptians supported sisi

    this situation cant compare to the west as the Egyptian Christians are not immigrants they are Egyptian just like Muslims the only difference is we choose a different relgion
    what is really strange from the Washington post is that during the year morsi was in power i dont remember any report about the muslim brotherhood extremist views now that we have a secular government they do this no wonder the media in the US is a joke and even americans dont trust their media anymore
     
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    Dosent matter if your Egyptian, your a minority

    The world is changing and minorities are under threat, increasing right wing and nationalist politics will become the norm

    From brexit in the UK to Trump in the U.S.A

    Its a norm minorities will have to get used to
     
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    Totally false and fantastically exagerated. "thousands?"
     
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    25 reported incidents a year in a nation of over 90 million people is a massive problem?

    That's not even taking into account that some of these attacks are usually motivated by familial feuds (common in Upper Egypt which sees the majority of these incidents) rather than sect based violence.

    It's also ignoring the legal restrictions that have been lifted under the current administration (eg Church building) and the legal/political position of the Church.

    The worst thing that happened to Egyptian Copts was the Maspero killings several years ago and yet they did not revolt after that!

    This article is suggestive bullshit of the highest order!
     
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    How do you feel about this??
    In Turkey, I am all for attacking Christians that get out of line. Anatolia is Muslim now, if the Christians don't like it, they are free to leave.
     
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  15. EgyptianAmerican

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    Don't get me wrong I am all for Religious diversity and Religious Tolerance but Arab Christians in general are not nice people. I have had numerous conversations with many Arab Christians in Egypt and online and all of them have in general put a bad taste in my Mouth.

    That and for some reason Arab Christians have some sort of Superiority complex. If you ask me, I won't shed tears if we lost all the Egyptian christians but that's just me.
     
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