What's new

Mumbai mosques turn volume down on call to prayer after Hindu leader’s demands

313ghazi

ELITE MEMBER
Mar 14, 2017
11,717
45
24,933
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
My dear fellow, I am not disparaging the Hindus here but a cut fingernail of mine is more Islamic than you. :)

Aap jese muslamano se ghair muslim hi baithar hein. Kam as kam unka koi aqeeda to hota hai.

Rather than accepting Islam for what it is, you like to twist it to suit your own narrative and political leanings. The only difference between that and the khwarij is the head chopping.
 

Faqirze

BANNED
Sep 17, 2021
887
-8
979
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
Good decision and it should go further. Loudspeakers need not exist in mosques or in Hindu temples or any religious structure. Loudspeakers do not exist in the Quran and they are unnecessary. I believe the great Jamal Abdul Nasser also wanted to ban them. Additionally this is the age of the mobile phone and nicely there is one app for the prayer-minded which I don't see why it can't be used :

I am more concerned about these actual problems in Indian society :
I'm surprised a self proclaimed commie like you is so defensive and supportive of religion, especially Islam. Whys that? what good has religion brought to the world and society? especially in South Asia? you know how hardcore, true commies like the Soviets and the Albanians dealt with the religious?
 

jamahir

ELITE MEMBER
Jul 9, 2014
26,992
2
23,603
Country
India
Location
India
Aap jese muslamano se ghair muslim hi baithar hein. Kam as kam unka koi aqeeda to hota hai.

Ji ji kyunki aapke dost jaise "Musalman" toh Islam ka naam duniya me chamka rahe hain. :)

Rather than accepting Islam for what it is, you like to twist it to suit your own narrative and political leanings. The only difference between that and the khwarij is the head chopping.

Well, I support the gulag system to re-educate the irrational and unreasonable people so that they start to become useful to humanity. :) But please read the below.

I'm surprised a self proclaimed commie like you is so defensive and supportive of religion, especially Islam. Whys that? what good has religion brought to the world and society? especially in South Asia? you know how hardcore, true commies like the Soviets and the Albanians dealt with the religious?

I support true Islam because it was mostly a progressive movement for socio-economic justice and rationality ( justice for the female especially, interest-less economics, good inheritance law etc ) and then it was a simplification of belief in the divine ( change from a system of idolatry and worship of multiple gods done through agents called priests to a simple system of one formless god to be remembered by anyone without any priest system, though the mullah in the modern world has become the priest ). I quote from this thread of mine from 2016 which is by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Communist and Socialist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s. Please also read the fine initial discussion by members in the thread :
During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.

Understandably, Parvez was right away attacked by conservative Islamic scholars and political outfits.

But this didn’t stop famous Muslim philosopher and poet, Muhammad Iqbal, to befriend the young scholar and then introduce him to the future founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Jinnah appointed Parvez to edit a magazine, Talu-e-Islam. It was set-up to propagate the creation of a separate Muslim country and to also answer the attacks that Jinnah’s All India Muslim League had begun to face from conservative Islamic parties and ulema who accused the League of being a pseudo-Muslim organisation and Jinnah for being too westernised and ‘lacking correct Islamic behavior.’

Apart from continuing to author books and commentaries on the Qu’ran, Parvez wrote a series of articles in Talu-e-Islam that propagated a more socialistic view of the holy book.

In a series of essays for the magazine he used verses from the Qu’ran, incidents from the faith’s history and insights from the writings of Muhammad Iqbal to claim:

The clergy and conservative ulema have hijacked Islam.

They are agents of the rich people and promoters of uncontrolled Capitalism.

Socialism best enforces Qur’anic dictums on property, justice and distribution of wealth.

Islam’s main mission was the eradication of all injustices and cruelties from society. It was a socio-economic movement, and the Prophet was a leader seeking to put an end to the capitalist exploitation of the Quraysh merchants and the corrupt bureaucracy of Byzantium and Persia.

According to the Qur’an, Muslims have three main responsibilities: seeing, hearing and sensing through the agency of the mind. Consequently, real knowledge is based on empirically verifiable observation, or through the role of science.

Poverty is the punishment of God and deserved by those who ignore science.

In Muslim/Islamic societies, science, as well as agrarian reform should play leading roles in developing an industrialised economy.

A socialist path is a correction of the medieval distortion of Islam through Shari’a.
 

hyperman

FULL MEMBER
Jan 6, 2020
361
0
563
Country
United States
Location
United States
All these years of noise pollution and actual pollution from Diwali festivals, and Holi festivals. loud mandir pujas and festivals, loud processions through the street fking up traffic, no muslim ever complained, now suddenly they have an issue with someone someone giving an azaan that lasts 1-2 minutes. Muslims living in the same place for hundreds of years, now suddenly these people have a problem, delusionally thinking that somehow someone giving an azaan for 1-2 minutes, they are suddenly being "oppressed". Hypocritical sectarian a-holes. Nothing more than trying to find scapegoats and distractions for their own shortcomings in running the state.
 

prashantazazel

FULL MEMBER
Dec 12, 2014
1,952
0
1,148
Country
India
Location
India
I don't play loud music in the public. I expect religious people to be sensitive to the needs of others.
There can be special parks/grounds where speakers are allowed during festivals/functions. But these should be on the outskirts.

All these years of noise pollution and actual pollution from Diwali festivals, and Holi festivals. loud mandir pujas and festivals, loud processions through the street fking up traffic, no muslim ever complained, now suddenly they have an issue with someone someone giving an azaan that lasts 1-2 minutes. Muslims living in the same place for hundreds of years, now suddenly these people have a problem, delusionally thinking that somehow someone giving an azaan for 1-2 minutes, they are suddenly being "oppressed". Hypocritical sectarian a-holes. Nothing more than trying to find scapegoats and distractions for their own shortcomings in running the state.
No one should be making a noise in the streets. I hope the majority community follows suit.
 
Last edited:

Faqirze

BANNED
Sep 17, 2021
887
-8
979
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
Well, I support the gulag system to re-educate the irrational and unreasonable people so that they start to become useful to humanity. :) But please read the below.
You would end up sending 90% of South Asians to gulags, lol. Doesn't sound so bad now I think of it, South Asians as a collective need some serious straightening out and mental treatment. I fully support your cause, doesn't sound so bad compared to whatever the hell we have now.
 

jamahir

ELITE MEMBER
Jul 9, 2014
26,992
2
23,603
Country
India
Location
India
You would end up sending 90% of South Asians to gulags, lol. Doesn't sound so bad now I think of it, South Asians as a collective need some serious straightening out and mental treatment. I fully support your cause, doesn't sound so bad compared to whatever the hell we have now.

Thank you. Yes, South Asians do need straightening out and instead of 90 percent we can just send most males and some females but of course after having made a secret list of those who shouldn't be.
 

Faqirze

BANNED
Sep 17, 2021
887
-8
979
Country
Pakistan
Location
United States
Thank you. Yes, South Asians do need straightening out and instead of 90 percent we can just send most males and some females but of course after having made a secret list of those who shouldn't be.
I think the females can also use some straightening, they aren't much better from my experience. What makes you think they wouldn't need some serious gulag treatment in regard?
 

jamahir

ELITE MEMBER
Jul 9, 2014
26,992
2
23,603
Country
India
Location
India
I think the females can also use some straightening, they aren't much better from my experience. What makes you think they wouldn't need some serious gulag treatment in regard?

Well, there are some fanatic females who definitely need gulag treatment but many are either forced to live under the oppression and suffocation creation by those fanatics females ( and males ) or are under temporary influence which can be cured so except for the fanatics the other two categories can live on in a changed situation.
 

Sharma Ji

SENIOR MEMBER
Apr 15, 2020
2,124
-19
1,268
Country
India
Location
India
Well, there are some fanatic females who definitely need gulag treatment but many are either forced to live under the oppression and suffocation creation by those fanatics females ( and males ) or are under temporary influence which can be cured so except for the fanatics the other two categories can live on in a changed situation.
You've never been with one, what would you know about "females" anyway ?
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 1, Members: 0, Guests: 1)


Top Bottom