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Multiple fronts for Jinnah’s Pakistan: YLH

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    https://dailytimes.com.pk/151773/multiple-fronts-jinnahs-pakistan/

    Today those, like me, who still believe in Jinnah’s inclusive democratic Pakistan have to fight the intellectual battle on many fronts. We have to fight against the right wing Mullahs of all sects who shamelessly insist that the country was created so that their exclusionary brand of Islam could be imposed on it. We have to fight against Indian nationalists and Hindu nationalists who insist that Pakistan’s creation was nothing less than a crime against humanity. We have to fight against some of our self styled intellectuals who have never really bothered to carefully analyse the Pakistan movement but insist on being fashionably liberal by bashing the idea of Pakistan. Finally we have to fight against our own deep state, which is more interested in achieving its own objectives rather than working towards a progressive Pakistan. The deep state has done untold harm to Jinnah’s idea of Pakistan. This is the burden we, who believe and will continue to believe in Jinnah’s Pakistan, must bear.

    Last week when Jinnah’s bust was unveiled by the Mayor of London at British Museum and finally placed at Lincoln’s Inn, all these groups were out in full force against the decision. Lincoln’s Inn has long associated itself with Jinnah’s legacy and has had a portrait of the man in its Great Hall since the 1960s. Tens of thousands of Pakistani lawyers have been called to the bar there. I became a member of the Honourable Society of Lincoln’s Inn precisely because of Jinnah’s legacy even though I did not need to in order to practise law. Such is the compelling nature of the man’s legacy. Unveiling the statue, the Mayor of London Sadiq Khan emphasised religious freedom, democracy and women’s rights as key postulates of Jinnah’s ideology. It is about time Jinnah was recognised for these and at the same time we must recognise how far we have deviated from Jinnah’s ideas on these matters as a country.

    It must be remembered that Jinnah did not need to fight for Pakistan. It was the Muslims who needed Jinnah to be their lawyer. As a long time Congressman Jinnah was hailed as the Best Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity. He had disagreements with Gandhi but there was nothing irreconcilable between the two great men. Despite the political acrimony, their personal relations were extremely cordial. Gandhi would have welcomed Jinnah back with open arms had he agreed to come back into the fold of the Congress. Jinnah might well have managed to become United India’s first Prime Minister, Defence Minister or Law Minister and would have gone down as one of the founding fathers of Independent India. Jinnah instead chose to champion the cause of the Muslim minority because he had seen up close the Hindu Mahasabha and right wing within the Congress. In demanding a Muslim majority area, he saw an opportunity for Muslims to fashion for themselves a modern polity where they would take charge not just nation building but would be able to excel economically and educationally. Jinnah wanted to replicate Ataturk’s Turkey for Muslims in South Asia.Therefore Lahore Resolution was put up as a demand for an autonomous region within the subcontinent. The final shape of an all India union was left up to negotiation. At critical points Jinnah climbed down from the demand of sovereign Pakistan.

    Jinnah’s idea of Pakistan was always that of an inclusive democratic state with complete religious freedom and equality- call it a secular state or a Muslim state. Anyone who denies that has not bothered to read Jinnah’s speeches and statements in detail. Even Gandhi commented after his unsuccessful talks that Jinnah’s idea of Pakistan is that of a perfect democracy with equal rights for all. The Lahore Resolution specifically spoke of safeguarding minorities in Muslim majority areas. Congress despite its protestations of a multi-religious democratic India acted badly in response. Against the Muslim League which was primarily a party of Muslim modernists educated at Aligarh, Oxford, Cambridge and Lincoln’s Inn, Congress put up an array of Muslim organisations like Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, All India Momin Conference, All India Shia Political Conference and All India Muslim Majlis. Many of these organisations attacked Jinnah for being too secular and westernised to lead Muslims. Other organisations like Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam attacked the fact that prominent Ahmadis like Zafrullah Khan were associated with the Muslim League.

    It is true that in Punjab for example the Muslim League did rely on Barelvi Pirs primarily to counter these Islamist organisations but Jinnah did not compromise on principles. He did not let these Barelvi Pirs and Mullahs dictate policy to him. Despite pressures and a strong Islamic undercurrent in the Pakistan Movement especially in Punjab, Jinnah refused to turn out the Ahmadis from the Muslim League or declare them Non-Muslims. This is why Ahmadis supported Jinnah enmasse for the Pakistan Movement and then migrated to Pakistan after the country was created. Jinnah’s Pakistan was not supposed to be a theocratic hellhole. Repeatedly he told his listeners that Pakistan would not be a theocratic state to be run by priests with a divine mission. On numerous occasions he opined that religion was ultimately a matter between man and god. He also spoke of Islamic ideals but always in terms of their compatibility with modern democratic norms. It is this vision that powers that be in this country have buried last week in Islamabad. During riots in Karachi and Lahore in the immediate aftermath of partition, Jinnah had given shoot at sight orders against Muslim mobs. One assumes that according to Imran Khan, the cricketer turned politician, Jinnah too was a khooni liberal. The protection of life property and religious belief of every citizen regardless of caste or creed was the foremost duty of the state according to Jinnah. It is this duty that our state forfeited utterly last week when it surrendered to the mob.

    Now at this critical juncture in our existence as a Pakistani nation, our very survival is at stake. Do we want to be Jinnah’s Pakistan — a modern Muslim majority state where Pakistanis regardless of religion caste or creed can show the world that Islam is a progressive faith that can coexist with democracy and modernity? Or do we want to be a theocratic dystopia run by priests with divine mission? If it is the former than we must be regroup and get ready to fight on multiple fronts to save what is left of Jinnah’s Pakistan. We must restore religious freedom and equality to all citizens of Pakistan including Ahmadis who are now being threatened with genocide by bigots and intolerant fanatics. We must make Christians and Hindus of Pakistan feel equal stakeholders in the progress of this nation. This is the only country we have and we cannot give into people like Khadim Hussain Rizvi and his ilk.

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    This summarises why, as a patriotic Indian, but NOT a nationalistic one, I am an admirer of Jinnah, and consider him one of the tallest leaders of our sub-continent. And, no, this is not a bold attempt at hijacking him; it is an attempt at establishing co-parcenary status to his core ideals, not as they are misrepresented today by the lumpenliberal, but as he sought himself.

    It must be remembered that Jinnah did not need to fight for Pakistan. It was the Muslims who needed Jinnah to be their lawyer. As a long time Congressman Jinnah was hailed as the Best Ambassador of Hindu Muslim Unity. He had disagreements with Gandhi but there was nothing irreconcilable between the two great men. Despite the political acrimony, their personal relations were extremely cordial. Gandhi would have welcomed Jinnah back with open arms had he agreed to come back into the fold of the Congress. Jinnah might well have managed to become United India’s first Prime Minister, Defence Minister or Law Minister and would have gone down as one of the founding fathers of Independent India. Jinnah instead chose to champion the cause of the Muslim minority because he had seen up close the Hindu Mahasabha and right wing within the Congress. In demanding a Muslim majority area, he saw an opportunity for Muslims to fashion for themselves a modern polity where they would take charge not just nation building but would be able to excel economically and educationally. Jinnah wanted to replicate Ataturk’s Turkey for Muslims in South Asia.Therefore Lahore Resolution was put up as a demand for an autonomous region within the subcontinent. The final shape of an all India union was left up to negotiation. At critical points Jinnah climbed down from the demand of sovereign Pakistan.

    Jinnah’s idea of Pakistan was always that of an inclusive democratic state with complete religious freedom and equality- call it a secular state or a Muslim state. Anyone who denies that has not bothered to read Jinnah’s speeches and statements in detail. Even Gandhi commented after his unsuccessful talks that Jinnah’s idea of Pakistan is that of a perfect democracy with equal rights for all. The Lahore Resolution specifically spoke of safeguarding minorities in Muslim majority areas. Congress despite its protestations of a multi-religious democratic India acted badly in response. Against the Muslim League which was primarily a party of Muslim modernists educated at Aligarh, Oxford, Cambridge and Lincoln’s Inn, Congress put up an array of Muslim organisations like Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind, Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, All India Momin Conference, All India Shia Political Conference and All India Muslim Majlis. Many of these organisations attacked Jinnah for being too secular and westernised to lead Muslims. Other organisations like Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam attacked the fact that prominent Ahmadis like Zafrullah Khan were associated with the Muslim League.

    It is true that in Punjab for example the Muslim League did rely on Barelvi Pirs primarily to counter these Islamist organisations but Jinnah did not compromise on principles. He did not let these Barelvi Pirs and Mullahs dictate policy to him. Despite pressures and a strong Islamic undercurrent in the Pakistan Movement especially in Punjab, Jinnah refused to turn out the Ahmadis from the Muslim League or declare them Non-Muslims. This is why Ahmadis supported Jinnah enmasse for the Pakistan Movement and then migrated to Pakistan after the country was created. Jinnah’s Pakistan was not supposed to be a theocratic hellhole. Repeatedly he told his listeners that Pakistan would not be a theocratic state to be run by priests with a divine mission. On numerous occasions he opined that religion was ultimately a matter between man and god. He also spoke of Islamic ideals but always in terms of their compatibility with modern democratic norms. It is this vision that powers that be in this country have buried last week in Islamabad. During riots in Karachi and Lahore in the immediate aftermath of partition, Jinnah had given shoot at sight orders against Muslim mobs. One assumes that according to Imran Khan, the cricketer turned politician, Jinnah too was a khooni liberal. The protection of life property and religious belief of every citizen regardless of caste or creed was the foremost duty of the state according to Jinnah. It is this duty that our state forfeited utterly last week when it surrendered to the mob.
     
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    Dada,

    Not one of the tallest, but the tallest- at least of the period 1857 till date.

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    I think he was a great man, but not necessarily the greatest. It is another matter that socially, he is the most simpatico.
     
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    He created pakistan to save muslims from rabid radical hindus. Irony is that India went on to become secular and pakistan went on to become radical. India has nearly as many muslims as pakisan but percentage of minorities can be counted by fingers.

    Some one with ideals or values would not have ordered Direct Action day. It will remain a dark chapter in Indian history , eclipsing even the infamous bengal famine under churchill.

    Leader ship is not just about giving speeches on values/ideals but also living up to it. Would you listen to a lecture on veganism given by a lion?

    "patriotic","nationalistic".... Dont be emotional lets be rational. What was the final end result?
     
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    Dada,

    I think he was a great man, but not necessarily the greatest.

    Who then in your opinion would be the greatest of the era 1857 till date? And GOAT?

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    After reading about the incident in some detail, it does not seem to me to have been ordered by either Jinnah or by Suhrawardy. I have no reason to lean to one side or to the other, but offer this piece of evidence for you to consider.

    I wouldn't select one, honestly. Each of Jinnah, Gandhi, Nehru and Patel had elements of greatness about them, but to declare one of them the winner as in a bathing suit contest would strip judge and contestant alike of their dignity.
     
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    What if he had live enough to do this,
    And this,
    Pakistan would have been another Turkiye if he would have been able to do it by force.
     
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    lol :omghaha:
     
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    Did you know that he was a devoted fan of Atatuerk, to the extent that his daughter would tease him with the name Grey Wolf? That will show you precisely what he had in mind for Pakistan.

    The wretch Maududi, the Mullah to end all Mullahs, actually had the impertinence to refuse to lead the prayers during Jinnah's funerals. Earlier, before he sneaked across the border, he had called Jinnah, Kaffir-e-Azam, and Pakistan, to him, was Paleetistan.

    I seriously think we ought to set up Atatuerk Clubs in India and in Pakistan.

    What was so funny?
     
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    So let me rephrase it again for you YLH:

    a) Islam is in danger again in Pakistan while flourishing in India?
    b) Jinnah wanted a secular state that is why he became the head of the Religious party versus the staunch secular party in Congress?
    c) Pakistanis are planning for Genocide just like they allegedly did in 1971.

    kesi museebat ayi hai hum par. uthanay par rahe hain kese kese Bandar
     
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    I have been doing more reading and would like your and @Joe Shearer valuable input on few ideas I have. I will tag you guys later but it's going to be on why I think Pakistan is forever caught in cycle of crisis. I think within the very idea of Pakistan there are contradictions and these date back to Jinnah/Iqbal. They have never been resolved and as they jar and scrape against each other like tectonic plates they send ripples through Pakistan's polity. And thus the cause of instability and fractured polity.
     
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    Kaptaan sb,

    Well said. The basic issue was whether Pakistan was created for Muslims (for their economic and political interests alone); or was it created for Islam (as an Islamic state for Muslims). Both POVs have existed since the start of the Pak movement and will continue to exist. It is in Pak's best interest that any ONE view wins out decisively.

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    I will tag you but for now these [below] are the contradictions that have not been resolved in the very idea of Pakistan are cause of the schizophrenic state of Pakistani society today. As long as these are not resolved there will be no peace in Pakistan.

    * Pakistan a geographic concept anchored on the Indus
    * Pakistan a Islamic state anchored on Islam. A religious state like Israel for Muslims.
    * Pakistan a state to look after the economic interests of Muslim elites of British India.

    At the moment it is trying to be mishh mash of all three but failing on all and tripping over with the results you see being played out on the streets of the country or bomb blasts in mosques of the country.
     
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