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Mullah Omar is alive and in Karachi, claims Afghan spy chief

Discussion in 'Pakistan's Internal Security' started by Devil Soul, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. thesolar65

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    All the Pakistan Govt. harps on concrete evidence. Now I get it. Concrete evidence means, getting Dawood/Mullah Omar by the neck by a person, standing on the main square in Karachi and shouting "here is Dawood, here is Mullah Omar, see the proof"!! I mean if that is the kind of proof Pakistan wants, then there is a word called impossible in Napoleon's dictionary!!.....:D

    So, just keep quite, follow them if you can, use your resources and "Take them out" if you can!!
     
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    Could one of those reason be, because it was the truth?

    It all boils down the same thing, Pakistani state accepts, that OBL lived and died in Pakistan..you should not be asking others for proof.
     
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    Not interested in answering your question. Stay away
     
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    Wouldn't be surprised. Even Pakistan doesn't know who is living in Karachi. It is quite embarrassing.
     
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    A few pictures of him Dawood or Mullah Omar in Karachi would probably help, especially if the former lives a lavish social and business life in the city.
     
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    This is like deja vu, such discussions and denial arguments were on from 2008 on OBL's presence in Pakistan until his elimination in 2011...this too might culminate in a successful Abottabad like operation in a year or two if not earlier.
     
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    True - the police and Rangers are still conducting operations in various neighborhoods against TTP and other terrorists. The large influx of IDP's and Afghan refugees has not helped the situation (and I am not suggesting that the IDP's should be prevented from settling in Karachi, Lahore or elsewhere, just that their presence makes identifying potential suspects even harder).

    The US report on torture clearly pointed out the fact that Pakistan obtained critical intelligence on OBL's courier which was then used by the US to track down OBL (while keeping Pakistan in the dark). What this new information shows is that the reason Pakistan was not aware of OBL's location was in large part because the US kept Pakistan out of the loop on the most critical piece of intelligence that was provided by Pakistan to begin with.
     
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    It was a part of multiple pieces of intelligence provided in the form of numbers, contacts or emails from multiple sources - not because it was deemed to lead to OBL, but it was deemed that it might lead somewhere, US intelligence tracked that number close to year and pieced together a 50-50 chance of OBLs presence, which they thought to be good enough to take action on.
     
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    Yes he is in Lyari, or kati pahari come get him...............
     
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    Numbers, contacts and emails would have proved largely meaningless without focusing on specific individuals (in this case OBL's courier). The ISI obtained intelligence identifying Al Kuwaiti as OBL's courier. Further intelligence was developed by the US based on narrowing the focus onto key individuals such as OBL's courier, which in turn gave them the additional intelligence to even make that 50-50 determination.
     
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    Mullah Fazlullah aka Radio is alive & in Afghanistan
     
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    I remember reading the whole OBL saga a few years back - after OBL's trail went cold - washington spared no expenses on every possible lead they got from various sources. A whole wing of the pentagon was dedicated to finding clues and tracking him.

    This Al Kuwaiti guy leading them to OBL was just happenstance and the Americans never expected him expected that to happen. Another fact is that they were watching him from 2002 itself as a known OBL associate, and his trail was an happenstance as well when they got to hear his name during an interrogation of a suspect in Iraq. They started tracking him down after tracing his mother's and friends numbers, which was given to them by one of his acquaintance in Kuwait. They got his lead when he called his friend one day, and this call brought them to Abottabad and the rest is history....I don't know where Pakistani agencies come into this picture.
     
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    And yet that was precisely what ended up being the critical piece of intelligence that led to OBL, provided by the ISI. The Senate report also mentions cases where additional critical intelligence was provided by detainees in the 'custody of foreign governments' - no prizes for guessing which country most of these detainees were captured and interrogated by. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was himself captured in a joint Pakistan-US operation.
    As mentioned here:

    The report, written by the majority staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee, cites six instances in which Pakistani authorities, in particular, obtained leads through interrogating al-Qaeda operatives that helped disrupt plots or locate other terrorist leaders. The Pakistanis often got first crack at detainees before they were sent to CIA prisons.

    ... The Senate report, however, says al-Baluchi gave up al-Kuwaiti first to the Pakistanis.

    A footnote on page 399 of the Senate report says al-Baluchi was arrested along with another al-Qaeda operative, Khallad bin Attash, by Pakistani authorities on April 29, 2003. “Upon his arrest in Pakistan, Ammar al-Baluchi was cooperative and provided information on a number of topics to foreign government interrogators, including information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti that the CIA disseminated prior to al-Baluchi being transferred to CIA custody,” the footnote says.

    A footnote on page 244 of the report also says al-Baluchi was interrogated by a Pakistani who had built a rapport with him, leading al-Baluchi to disclose key information on plots against U.S. targets in Pakistan...


    Senate CIA Report Makes Case Torture Worked in Pakistan - Bloomberg View
     
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    Oh shit, Why Karachi. It think it is time for modi to do joint operation with Afghan to catch their respective man :coffee:
     
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    It's because India is not Pakistan's well-wisher, that's why. And their influence is far-reaching.