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Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

Discussion in 'Pakistan History' started by PakSarzameen5823, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. OsmanAli98

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    Bottom-line; only 1% of Indians look like these people. Did you know that a majority of famous bollywood actors and models actually come from modern-day Pakistan or Punjab?[/QUOTE]

    Dilip Kumar you mean the guy who is Mohammad Yusuf Khan born in Peshawar
     
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  2. LeGenD

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    You want me to fill this thread with pictures of beautiful/handsome Indians? My assertion is in regards to diversity in the population of Ancient India which is a concrete fact (genetically verifiable), and modern-era Pakistan is commonly referenced as a part of it until partition.
     
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  3. Talwar e Pakistan

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    You can nit-pick pictures all you want, but that won't change the reality.

    In regards to diversity; yes there exists diversity in culture and languages but genetically Indians mainly cluster into 4 groups. North Indians, South Indians, North West (Mostly Punjabis), and North East.

    Out of these groups, it's only the North West (which makes up 3-5% of Indian population) that shares any relevant genetic ties to Pakistanis.
     
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  4. PAKISTANFOREVER

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    The photos of 3 people out of more than 1,300,000,000 means nothing............:lol::lol::lol:

    Can you provide a source that isn't a dubious indian one and that actually proves what you are saying........:lol:....evidence of migrations to india is not proving the dna of modern day indians is the same as that of the people who inhabitated the plains of the indus river in ancient times..........:lol:

    Puting your trust in an indian source has just blown your cover. Nice try indian false-flagger...........:rofl:



    BUT can you VERIFY that modern day indians ARE genetically/racially connected to the people who inhabitated ancient Pakistan? If not your entire conjectures are false.
     
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  5. LeGenD

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    Pakistan is among the most ethnically diverse regions of the world.

    “Our nation is a mix of a lot of races,” said Prof. Dr M Iqbal Choudhary, who heads the project. “Pakistanis are like a “melting pot” ie a mix of Mughals, Turks, Pashtuns, Afghans, Arabs, etcetera.”

    FYI: https://tribune.com.pk/story/197783/milestone-scientists-map-genome-of-first-pakistani-man/

    Nevertheless, I notice many Pakistani who resemble typical Indians in features (Urdu speaking communities in particular). Below is a minor glimpse:

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    You asked for links, and I provided some, but you do not bother to read them properly.

    And I am a false-flagger now? This is absurd thinking on your part, or you a RACIST individual.

    Pakistan is commonly referenced as a part of Ancient India in literature around the world until partition. Ancient India was ethnically diverse [on the whole] due to "numerous factors." Modern-era partitions of Pakistan, India, Nepal and Bangladesh, did not change the obvious. Also, at the time of aforementioned partitions, millions of people migrated from one to another.

    "After the Partition of India, about 7.2 million Hindus migrated from the new country of Pakistan to the New India, while about 7.3 million Muslims migrated from India to Pakistan." - Leanna Arjune

    The least you can do is your own homework, and don't take my comments out of context. If you do not appreciate my responses, or unable to comprehend them, then I see no point in having this conversation with you. I am not a geneticist.
     
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  6. PAKISTANFOREVER

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    We may be a mixture of races, but are those mixtures in the main, racially common to modern day indians? If not then they have 0 connection to the role that the land of Pakistan played in "Ancient india".
     
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  7. Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

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    The pictures you posted still do not resemble general Pakistanis. Even dark skinned Pakistanis look very different to Indians.

    There is no such thing as ancient India. If you mean IVC, Harappa, Mohenjo daro, and Taxilla, all those were in modern-day Pakistan.

    There was no fabled mass migration of Coterminous Pakistanis to modern India and no monolithic Hindu rashtra.

    These are all fantasies of Hindutva zealots.

    Muhajirs are ethnically UP, Bihari, Hyderabadi people and this is why they resemble the modern-day Indians from those regions.

    They were immigrants from what is now India so they will look like them.

    A tribe or clan whose patrilineal descent goes back to an Arab, Turk, or Persian has every right to claim his lineage.

    There is no shame in acknowledging your heritage. Every other nation on Earth can do this, but here in PDF we have Indians, Bangladeshis, and others abusing Pakistanis for referring to themselves by their tribe or ethnic origin.

    Instead of worrying about someone claiming ancestry, worry about how to deal with our current problems.

    Those of us who are of Arab, Turk, Persian blood will claim it regardless of what anyone things.

    A very small minority of Pakistanis are Ahl e Hadith, which itself is a native Islamic movement in this region.

    We resemble Arabs, Turks, and Persians because we live in this region and are descended from common ancestors.

    Your idea of caste is inflated with race and tribe. You have to take the Hindu nonsense out of it.

    There is nothing wrong with being from local heritage of this region stretching from IVC, Harappa, Mohenjo daro, Taxilla.

    The only Desi we recognize is a Pakistani which includes Punjabis, Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, etc.

    Rajput is a noble lineage which goes back to as far as the founding of Lahore and the migration of Iranic tribes to this region thousands of years ago.

    Persian was a more natural language for Pakistan, but now we have made the Urdu tongue our own. No use in looking back.
     
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    Perhaps we should now reference it as Ancient Pakistan?

    Even Old Hindi (Urdu) is dying?
     
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  9. Taimur Khurram

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    Most Muslims in the Punjab were vicious enemies of the Sikh Empire, with individuals like Ahmed Khan Karral and Muqarrab Khan fighting against them bitterly. The latter even sided with Ahmed Shah Durrani, as did other Gakhars who joined the ranks of the "Afghans" (such a term is stupid since plenty of non-Pashtuns fought alongside them, such as Balochis).

    Remember where your allegiance as a Pakistani lies. These Pashtuns who founded the Durrani Empire are our brothers, not Indian Punjabis. We aren't even the same as Indian Punjabis, as others have pointed out, we have different tribes, we write in a different alphabet, we wear different clothes, and we've got ancestry from areas west of the Punjab. Even I've got family originally from outside of the Punjab.

    And we are Muslims first and foremost. I don't care if the Durranis came from freaking Dhaka, they're Muslims so we should feel inclined towards them rather than the Sikh Empire.

    Also, anybody who called himself a Muslim and joined the Sikh Empire nullified his Islam by siding with the enemies of Islam over the Muslims.
     
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  10. Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

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    The Durrani empire and all its allies which resisted and eventually defeated the Sikh occupation are rightly regarded as mujahideen.

    Mughals themselves fell back to Afghanistan to resist various opportunist usurpers like the Sikh empire, Maratha arsonists, and British colonials.

    I don't know where this idolism of Sikh empire comes from. Some of us have seen first hand what they did to Lahore and its surrounding cities. @PAKISTANFOREVER

    Partition showed us the true nature of our relationship.
     
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  11. M. Sarmad

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    Ahmed Khan Kharal indeed was a great Punjabi freedom fighter who bravely fought against the British occupiers ... But his enemies were mostly other Muslims (Kharals from Kamalia, Makhdooms of Multan and Arains from Sahiwal), not Sikhs, who sided with the British against him and his allies that ultimately led to his martyrdom.

    And no, Pakistani Punjabis do not have different tribes from Indians. Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars have been the major Musalman tribes in Punjab. Even today, there are more Non Muslim Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars in India than Muslim Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars in Pakistan.

    And you are absolutely wrong. There was nothing 'Islamic' about Abdali's looting campaigns (which many times were directed against Muslim rulers and Muslim commoners anyway) ... Fighting against looters and plunderers and expelling them from your motherland does not Nullify your Islam. Quite the contrary, siding with those who are on indiscriminate plundering campaigns is what is disallowed in Islam.

    As for allegiance, yes, Pakistan first... But those Afghani plunderers were not Pakistani. Pakistani Pashtuns are our brothers and they are integral part of 'Pakistan' identity.
     
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    I disagree with your notion based upon the fact that ethnic Rajputs, Jats, and Gujjars sided with the kaafir out of ethnicity, where as the Makhdooms and Arains sided with the British. In one sense at least the british were ahle-kitab. It really depends in which lens you are using to criticize a certain group. Look at us today. Neither the British or these Rajput, Jat, Gujjar hindu brothers are of any use to us.
     
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    If today Pakistan’s borders are where they are with Afghanistan, it is entirely because of one man; Hari Singh Nalwa of Gujranwala ... A true son of the soil who represented the aspiration of the fighting men of Punjab
     
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    Saday bazurg te us kanay kanjar nu lanata dinde si.
     
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    :lol:
    Yes, I know. Ranjit Singh and Sikh Empire are generally disliked by Pakistanis because the Muslim genocide carried out by Sikhs in East Punjab ( the genocide was mutual though) in 1947 made the two Punjabi religious communities lose trust in eachother.

    Many Punjabi Musilims held high posts in Ranjit Singh's Punjab. He was a secular ruler. One of his Muslim generals, Elaahi Bukhsh of Lahore, the incharge of Khalsa Artillery, was the man behind the defeat of Sayyad Ahmad Shaheed's Yousafzai Army in the famous battle of Balakot. It was not about Muslim Vs Nonmuslim as many people try to make it look like. With a few exceptions, those wars were fought just for power, territory and wealth
     
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