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Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

Discussion in 'Pakistan History' started by PakSarzameen5823, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. LeGenD

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    Colonial mindset? LOL

    My perception of Ancient India is different from yours, and I not allergic to the term in question. Please read my responses carefully. I do not like to repeat same point again and again and again.
     
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    You keep reiterating the some points. Any evidence for your claims? Please make sure you post the links here.




    And REAL Australians are genetically English as well wheras we do not even have a genetic connection to medern day indians.......:lol:
     
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    If you go to Wagah today and look across the border, you can tell undoubtably that we are two different races.

    Pakistan side

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    India side

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    Pakistan has to rid of this s...ity Desi mentality we will never move on from rudderless identity if our diaspora folks continue to harp on "Desi" identity, also for the Pakistani Punjabis drop these stupid castes like Rajputs yeah they had cool history but we are Pakistani now I am glad we have a Niazi PM who is not harping on Desi tag no more

    Also drop the "we wuz Arabs and Turks" mentality and "wahhabism" and we should make cultural links with Iran to balance out the Desi culture


    If it wasnt for the petro sheikh dollars and their wahhabi ideology of the 70s we would not be larping or trying to look like Arabs
     
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    Pakistanis more often resemble Turkish.

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    The Turkish dude>>>Zaid Hamid,Zaid Hamid was good for fighting the Soviets in the 80s but he is a f....cking nutjob now
     
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    In Pakistan, Des (country) and Desi (countrymen/national product) refer simply to Pakistan.

    No Pakistani will refer to an Indian as Desi, as they are foreigners of another country (bhartis.)

    Brother, stop promoting wrong ideas about native Punjabi clans/tribes like Rajputs, Jats, Gujjars,etc. We are sons of the soil and the majority in Punjab.

    Caste system doesn’t exist among Pakistanis.
     
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    If you find anything wrong in my view then why not highlight it?

    FYI: https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/what-my-dna-says-about-indias-history/

    And if you want to check your own, then: https://www.23andme.com/en-int/

    @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

    I notice typical Indian look-alike in Pakistan as well. Do you recall the fact that at the time of partition, people settled in either side migrated to the other?

    However, I am not crazed about genetic distinctions between present-day Pakistani and Indians because this is bordering racism in terms of judgement. I subscribe to the notion that Ancient India was a land of diversity due to migrations to this region from other regions, from time to time.
     
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    I consider myself Pakistani not Punjabi/Pathan yes my family is Rajput but I consider myself Pakistani first, again I am not against people being proud of those clans and their history but seriously we are Pakistani first

    Most Pakistanis don use the retarded castes but I noticed Punjabis are the most to harp about Desiness than Pathans
     
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    This is gene test of someone from Central Punjab, Pakistan.

    Most Indians have 99% South Asian DNA. This is not true for average Pakistanis. This guy only has 45% South Asian.
     
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    British Crime was getting rid of Persian as a language and cultural customs close to them as for us Pakistanis we failed come with a coherent Nationalistic identity that encompasses all its people, I mean countries like Kosovo,Croatia,Serbia heck those former Soviet Republics in Middle Asia which were part of the Russian boot 30 years ago are more nationalistic and more for revial of the cultural customs lost during the Soviet era this is why they are able to counter the Saudi "wahhabi" narrative while Pakistanis chocked that up during the 70s,80s and 90s
     
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    Funny thing is that Persian is more native to Pakistan than Urdu is. People of Quetta, Peshawar, Hazara, and whole Eastern block were fluent in Persian. Persian was also very much spoken in Lahore. While the Sikhs spoke Punjsbi and only Punjabi. Muslims of Punjab were more versatile, closer to Islamic culture. For example they read Arabic, memorized Quran, knew some Persian. Every Muslim teacher with a B.A. had excellent knowledge of Persian in '40s. Due to this, there was a huge culture clash between Muslims in Punjab and Sikhs/Hindus (aboriginals).

    Urdu is the language from north India, while Persian was a language actually understood naturally by Pakistanis.
     
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    What was the point of posting those links? They in NO WAY prove what you have been saying. They were the ramblings of a random indian regarding the results of his 23andme tests and and an insinuation that I should do one myself.

    So WHERE is the evidence that ancient india was a land of diversity?
     
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    Following are Indians:-

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    Not wise to play this kind of game.

    Sure.

    "The Indian population originated from three separate waves of migration from Africa, Iran and Central Asia over a period of 50,000 years, scientists have found using genetic evidence from people alive in the subcontinent today.

    The Indian Subcontinent harbours huge genetic diversity, in addition to its vast patchwork of languages, cultures and religions.

    Researchers at the University of Huddersfield in the UK found that some genetic lineages in South Asia are very ancient.

    The earliest populations were hunter-gatherers who arrived from Africa, where modern humans arose, more than 50,000 years ago.

    However, further waves of settlement came from the direction of Iran, after the last Ice Age ended 10-20,000 years ago, and with the spread of early farming.

    These ancient signatures are most clearly seen in the mitochondrial DNA, which tracks the female line of descent.

    However, Y-chromosome variation, which tracks the male line, is very different, according to the study published in the journal BMC Evolutionary Biology.

    "Here the major signatures are much more recent. Most controversially, there is a strong signal of immigration from Central Asia, less than 5,000 years ago," said Marina Silva, co-author of the study.

    "This looks like a sign of the arrival of the first Indo- European speakers, who arose amongst the Bronze Age peoples of the grasslands north of the Caucasus, between the Black and Caspian Seas," Silva said.

    They were male-dominated, mobile pastoralists who had domesticated the horse - and spoke what ultimately became Sanskrit, the language of classical Hinduism - which more than 200 years ago linguists showed is ultimately related to classical Greek and Latin, the study found.

    Migrations from the same source also shaped the settlement of Europe and its languages, and this has been the subject of most recent research.

    The origin of the Indian population is an area of huge controversy among scholars and scientists.

    A problem confronting archaeogenetic research into the origins of Indian populations is that there is a dearth of sources, such as preserved skeletal remains that can provide ancient DNA samples.

    In the latest study, researchers used genetic evidence from people alive in the subcontinent today."

    Source: https://www.business-standard.com/a...ves-from-africa-iran-asia-117051100378_1.html

    What was my point again?

    This:
    "As I pointed out before, Ancient India did not belong to a particular race at any point in time due to numerous set of migrations from other regions to this region from time to time."
     
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  15. Talwar e Pakistan

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    Sikh court spoke Farsi as well.

    Farsi was more prominent in Pakistan than Urdu before 1947.

    Your first picture is of Sidharth Malhotra, who is a Punjabi (makes up 2-3% of India and around 40-50% of Pakistan).

    Second picture is of Arjun Rampal who is a mix of Punjabi, Dutch and Brahmin.

    I don't know where you dug the third picture out from but after I reversed searched it - most results come up as her being Punjabi or Pakistani.

    Bottom-line; only 1% of Indians look like these people. Did you know that a majority of famous bollywood actors and models actually come from modern-day Pakistan or Punjab?
     
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