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Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

Discussion in 'Pakistan History' started by PakSarzameen5823, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. dexter

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    Brother you have some very misunderstanding about us its not about admiring but about a relation to that area or region, the first generation of muhajirs (1947) and second generation (1971) regardless of which state they belong e.g East Punjab,Jammu Kashmir,UP,CP,Bihar,Hyderabad,gujarat etc) or east pakistan has a bond with their birthplace that can never break i dont need to explain this there are some memories that remained with these people till their death but now their off-springs born in Pakistan mainly in urban Sindh (Karachi,hyderabad,sukkur and mirpurkhas) has no connection with those areas, we are loyal to this land , its natural.

    Even in my house or my whole khandan we dont even watch a single indian content. Most of the Pakistani media i.e. dramas,news and film industry is based on Karachi. I dont even care about those states of india from where my ancestors belong because i am born here.

    Its ok to emrace your identity and heritage but remember these kind of attitude has lost us half of our counrty and Our beloved Prophet S.A.W has warned us about racism in his last sermon so we need to be proud of our Pakistani identity but at the same time we should not forget that the concept of Pakistan is not complete without Islam if it was then whats the point of those countless losses of lives and migrations for a separate muslim land not for a pagan Indus heritage.

    May ALLAH S.W.T. protect our Pakistan from all sorts of evils and guide us all to the straight path.
     
  2. Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

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    It’s not only some Muhajirs in Karachi with this mindset. Karachi Punjabis and others are afflicted also.

    This is why I used the word class, and not ethnicity.
     
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    The reason for the civil war of 1971 was not just a one sided racism issue...I know you did not mean to simplify it, however some one who stumbles upon this thread may come away from this impression and think this....
     
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    Pakistan is identified as a part of Ancient India in literature/books.

    Comprehensive account of Ancient India in here: https://www.ancient.eu/india/

    Even the word India is derived from the "Indus River."

    Revisionism in our present-day narrative will not change/erase our past.
     
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  5. Indus Pakistan

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    These are not words of bible or the Holy quran. There was no Ancient India until British writers in 19th century reified that concept basing it on the then colony that they had constructed. It is for us to reify the concept of 'Ancient Pakistan' which is as viable as Ancient India unless you think books written by Anglo-Saxon victorians are sacred.

    i don't ....

    Ps. Just as you know i have read widely on this subject and I would call myself amatuer historian and make these comments in light of that. They are not gushes of patriotism.
     
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    More pertinently then, what LINK do modern day indians have with Modern day Pakistanis?
     
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    If you look for referances to this 'Ancient India' you will find the entire corpus that feeds it was written by British writers during the days of Raj in 19th century.

    It was a outlook and understanding informed as seen by British rulers of a vanquished South Asia that they had named 'British India' which they had at point of pen and arms demarcated on the ground and maps. Thus giving it borders, space and a history to go with that.

    Newsflash ~ the British Raj is no more. It is 2018 not 1947.
     
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    You are entitled to your view but Ancient India did not belong to a particular race at any point in time; it housed diversity due to numerous set of migrations from other regions from time to time.

    Ancient Greeks used the term Indoi (people of the Indus) to describe people living here. Indus River was the primary source of identity of settlers here for a long time. The word India is derived from the same.

    @PAKISTANFOREVER
     
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    Please look into Ancient Scholar's book. Especially the Biblioteca Historica by ancient Greek geographer Diodorus Siculus. The "Indians" of the Indus and the "Gandaridae" of Ganges are two completely different people. This is historically and scientifically proven by the Greek scholar himself!!

    Please click the link below and see countless pieces of information yourself!! Remember! This history is before any British or Islamic Empire! We have always been different!

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/2B*.html
     
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    Can we please, pretty please with sugar on top begin to look at our country free from the servitude of a colonial mind constructed by our masters? 71 years later we need to look at the Indus Valley free from British colonial imprint.
     
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    The vast majority of modern day indians ARE NOT the descendants of those who lived near the indus river. The ancestors of Modern day ganga-landers were ALWAYS completely different to the people of the indus and our ancestors.
     
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    The "Indians" of the Indus are described by Diodorus himself to be of UN-USUAL STATURE! They were TALL compared the Greeks! And of great athletic strong build and skills!
     
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    I have covered entire threads on that subject. I can't be bothered to go over it all again. Suffice to say your mind is shackled by British Imperialism and post 1947 Indian propaganda. Try to fre yourself please.

    The other day as is wonders of internet I ended up reading a article about Kylie Minogue the Austrlian singer who now lives in London. Apparently her mother was from Britain [Wales] and moved to Oz when she was 10 years old. Her father was third gen Irish [again British] and Kylie was one of three kids born from the marriage. She appears as Australian as kangaroos. The identity of Australia is very strong. Yet it got me thinking. Most of Australia is just British migrants who caught a boat to Australia and even the queen still holds sway. Yet these these third/fourth gen British have nurtured a strong mashed up identity as 'Australians'.

    We on the other hand who are native to the Indus region still can't fcukin escape from 'India' syndrome shafted up our posteriors by British invaders. Wtf?
     
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    As I pointed out before, Ancient India did not belong to a particular race at any point in time due to numerous set of migrations from other regions to this region from time to time.

    Genetic makeup of people living in present-day Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh, reinforce my perception of diversity in the population of Ancient India.
     
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    What do you call a migrant British??

    • American
    • Canadian
    • Australian
    • New Zealander
    • etc