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Moed presets an interesting take on American coups in Paksitan , Indonesia and beyond. Good video to learn a bit of history.

Fair warning: With everything that is analysis, history here is seen with Moed’s biased lenses

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Moed presets an interesting take on American coups in Paksitan , Indonesia and beyond. Good video to learn a bit of history.

Fair warning: With everything that is analysis, history here is seen with Moed’s biased lenses

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There is no American coup in Indonesia. Soekarno downfall is due to his aim to weaponize 1 million communist and Army wants to avoid that thing. Army then tried to make coup but communist faction in Armed force smell the plan and killed all of the planner, Armed Force General, Nasution escaped but his little daughter is killed, then Army made revenge under Soeharto attemp where he comes from Kostrad and also helped by special force and Siliwangi troops

Islamic faction support Army then there are Islamic university student (HMI), later HMI leaders rule Golkar, Soeharto made political party, this party is still strong until Today.
 

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There is no American coup in Indonesia. Soekarno downfall is due to his aim to weaponize 1 million communist and Army wants to avoid that thing. Army then tried to make coup but communist faction in Armed force smell the plan and killed all of the planner, Armed Force General, Nasution escaped but his little daughter is killed, then Army made revenge under Soeharto attemp where he comes from Kostrad and also helped by special force and Siliwangi troops

Islamic faction support Army then there are Islamic university student (HMI), later HMI leaders rule Golkar, Soeharto made political party, this party is still strong until Today.
I disagree listen and read this


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LOL you believe on those Westerners ????

Just think, would Muslim in Indonesia wants to have communist get powerful in Indonesia ????

LOGIC

USA of course happy to see Communist overthrown in Indonesia, but their help if any is not significant, it is internal force who actually make that happen with the help of ALLAH SWT
 

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LOL you believe on those Westerners ????

Just think, would Muslim in Indonesia wants to have communist get powerful in Indonesia ????

LOGIC

USA of course happy to see Communist overthrown in Indonesia, but their help if any is not significant, it is internal force who actually make that happen with the help of ALLAH SWT
They had communistic governments in a lot of Muslim countries, Iraq, Libya United Arab republic, Syria, Egypt and one more country …..

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They had communistic governments in a lot of Muslim countries, Iraq, Libya United Arab republic, Syria, Egypt and one more country …..

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TOO MANY BS THINK USA IS GOD

See the history I put in here, Soekarno wants to have 1 million Communist with weapon and become another armed force to help Soekarno fought against Britain, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand in Malaysia where Soekarno wants to invade Malaysia but Armed Force has reluctant to support his aim, and this is why Soekarno wanted to armed 1 million communist and CCP from China has already been ready to weaponized them.

That is the one who prompted the Army to want to make a coup since Army lead by right wing leaders who dont like Communist. This aim then become heighten after Communist faction within Armed Force killed all the planners before the action planned in 10 October (during Armed Force parade where Soekarno will be present) was executed, including Armed General little daughter, Ade Irma Nasution.

Protest in campus made by HMI has become another support for the Army to take action


That involvement is not significant
 
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TOO MANY BS THINK USA IS GOD

See the history I put in here, Soekarno wants to have 1 million Communist with weapon and become another armed force to help Soekarno fought against Britain, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand in Malaysia where Soekarno wants to invade Malaysia but Armed Force has reluctant to support his aim, and this is why Soekarno wanted to armed 1 million communist and CCP from China has already been ready to weaponized them.

That is the one who prompted the Army to want to make a coup since Army lead by right wing leaders who dont like Communist. This aim then become heighten after Communist faction within Armed Force killed all the planners before the action planned in 10 October (during Armed Force parade where Soekarno will be present) was executed, including Armed General little daughter, Ade Irma Nasution.

Protest in campus made by HMI has become another support for the Army to take action



That involvement is not significant
see we disagree here, evidence points to a different view then you hold. there is tons of evidence on how regime changed happens and millions of Indonesians were killed. i Respect your entitlement to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

America was fighting a Cold War against communism. PM Bhutto of Pakistan’s peoples party a socialist was removed by the US. All this is part of history.

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see we disagree here, evidence points to a different view then you hold. there is tons of evidence on how regime changed happens and millions of Indonesians were killed. i Respect your entitlement to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

America was fighting a Cold War against communism. PM Bhutto of Pakistan’s peoples party a socialist was removed by the US. All this is part of history.

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Hey, 1 million communist is going to be weaponized is evidence. There is life witness in Indonesia and we have made many books about it.

You need to use logic to see which one is true, you believe too much on Westerners, even in Quran said we have to be sceptical on Kafir made story. They want to glorify as if USA is great and can control any nations.

It is wildly known that is USA support anti communist movement, so there is common interest between Muslim group with USA, but once again, their contribution is so minimal to change any even in the magnitude like that. Do you think USA can order Indonesians to kill Communist ??? The tension between Muslim group and Communist followers have already been heated among the society, so when the people see Communist power is destroyed by Army, then the revenge and hate were coming that make the killing happen.
 
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Just think with logic :

1. Soekarno made war with Commonwealth Nations in Malaysia
2. Soekarno agree on Communist proposal to help him fight British/Australian, etc in Malaysia and Singapore where communist wants 1 million of their members weaponized and part of Indonesian Armed Force

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This made Army right wings and Muslim in dangerous situation and they see in China communist beat their opponent in civil war

In order to avoid civil war, Army tried to make a coup ( this is fact not opinion ), Communist sniffed the plan and killed those planners, but Armed Force Commander, Abdul Harris Nasution, escaped, while his little daughter was killed by Communist (Communist faction within Armed Force).

This prompted Soeharto to vanish Communist party and their element in Armed Force, and because Soeharto is supported by Muslim group (87 % followers in Indonesia), then it makes him kick Soekarno out of power.


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This is history about that 1 million Communist is about to get weapon from CCP China and being absorbed into Armed Force

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Background and development [ edit | edit source ]​


During the Guided Democracy period, the Indonesian Communist Party was the major Indonesian party after the 1955 General Election , an element in the Nasakom (National, Religious and Communist) concept. With the turbulent political situation and revolutionary calls from President Soekarno as well as many conflicts such as West Irian ( Trikora ) and Ganyang Malaysia ( Dwikora ) which required many volunteers, the PKI then submitted a proposal to the government/president to form a fifth generation consisting of the armed workers and peasants.

This caused outrage among the military leadership, especially the Army. Worried that this element was used by the PKI to seize power, imitating the experience of the revolutions of both Russia and China . Therefore, the Army leadership rejected the proposal.

During the pre- G30S situation , there was a heated closed conflict between the Army and the PKI, especially in anticipation of the post- President Soekarno's national leadership . It was later stated by some that in the conflict, especially Dwikora, the Army was considered less serious in carrying out military operations compared to the Navy and Air Force, thus provoking the PKI to form this element as volunteer assistance.

The PKI itself trained various elements of its mass organizations in the form of military exercises, although there were some who said that the training followed by PKI elements was actually an official exercise for volunteers from both Nationalist and Religious circles. However, various testimonies from political prisoners stated that more Communist elements such as Pemuda Rakyat and Gerwani participated in the exercise than other elements. So there are many testimonies from political prisoners, especially former military officials who became political prisoners who said that many middle-ranking officers were later involved in the G30S .who is accused of training communist elements said that the exercise was an official volunteer exercise for dwikora.

During the training for volunteers, witnesses especially from the Air Force also expressed their surprise that this exercise was similar to the exercises of the Chinese Communist red army, especially when marching, even though it was answered as an element of decency (courage).

Finally, there were cases of illegal arms smuggling from the PRC or communist China which were accused at a later date, especially after the failed September 30th Movement, which was accused of being the PKI's attempt to form a fifth army with the help of the PRC. However, this case, which was mentioned during the New Order era, was actually, after the 1998 reform, a questionable part or an element of the dark elements of Indonesia's history.




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