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Ahead Of Putin’s India Visit, New Delhi Likely To Cancel ‘Make In India’ Helicopter Deal With Russia — Reports


ByAyush Jain

December 5, 2021

Ahead of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to India, New Delhi’s plan to acquire new light utility helicopters – Kamov Ka-226T from Russia has run into complications, again.
According to reports, New Delhi could withdraw from the previous deal with Moscow and might direct the funds to procure indigenously developed solutions.
The complications aren’t new. The Indian Army and the Air Force are looking to replace their light utility helicopter fleet consisting of Cheetah and Chetak helicopters. The existing helicopters have been serving well over their service life, with 70% of the fleet being more than 30 years old.
The replacements were to be made by 200 Russian Kamov Ka-226T helicopters, for which a deal was signed in December 2015 for the creation of a joint venture between HAL and Rostec.
60 airframes were to be imported while the rest were to be made locally in India. The remaining requirement had to be completed by the homegrown Light Utility Helicopters.
However, the Indian government underestimated HAL’s expertise in developing helicopters after the much-successful Dhruv helicopters – and it became tough when both (foreign and indigenous) projects are coming to fruition at the same time.
According to EconomicTimes, New Delhi might push back the Ka-226T deal with Russia, instead opting for some ‘off-the-shelf’ purchases. This news comes a week before the Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to India, which might see the finalization of key defense deals including the AK-203 plant in Amethi which lies in the province of Uttar Pradesh.
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Kamov Ka-226, Ministry of the Interior of Russia
However, the report explicitly mentions that the Ka-226T deal had ‘very few backers in the government,’ owing to the costs involved in the maintenance of complex co-axial rotors in the Russian helicopter. Also, negotiations for the inclusion of more locally manufactured parts didn’t yield satisfactory results.
This might be a major breakthrough for HAL’s homegrown alternative, the Light Utility Helicopter or the LUH, signaling that the Kamov orders could land in its favor.
In February 2020, the Light Utility Helicopter received Initial Operating Clearance. Later that year in September, HAL announced the completion of final demonstration trials involving envelope expansion, performance, flying qualities, payload and landing capabilities at Siachen Glacier. In November 2021, the Indian Ministry of Defence placed an initial order of 12 LSP (Limited Series Production) airframes, 6 each for the Army and the Air Force.
The Indian Armed Forces use these helicopters for a variety of missions. Casualty Evacuation (CASEVAC), Search and Rescue (SAR), Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief (HADR), troops and material transport to high altitude areas where heavy helicopters can’t reach, reconnaissance, VVIP transport, and other utility operations.
Such light helicopters having a higher service ceiling serve as a ‘lifeline’ to the arduous Himalayan terrain with lesser road infrastructure and connectivity. Therefore, HAL is also looking forward to civilian orders as well.
With manufacturing capability in concern, the company is expecting that its new upcoming helicopter facility in Tumakuru, Karnataka, will boost the capability to produce 100 light utility helicopters each year. Tumakuru is just 70 kilometers from HAL facilities in Bengaluru and shall start manufacturing vertical lift rotorcraft from March 2022.
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Indian LUH during hot and high altitude trials in Leh
Compared to the Kamov Ka-226T, the indigenous LUH is a traditional rotor design that is far simpler and cheaper to maintain than its Russian counterpart having coaxial rotors. This enables the fleet to have more reliability and operational readiness.
While adding complexity, coaxial rotors do have their own advantages, like the elimination of a tail rotor (making it compact and more engine efficient), more lifting capacity, higher rate of climb, better survivability, controllability and resistance to side winds. The Ka-226T also has a detachable cabin module giving it a high degree of modularity for different mission requirements.
Nevertheless, the economics of production and maintenance outweigh the advantages offered by Ka-22T for the Indian Armed Forces. Local development and production mean that future development of its variants is easier, and money is circulated in the own economic boundaries of the nation.
It boosts local expertise, gives experience, creates employment, enhances the quality of life, easier integration of upgrades, and plays its role in the overall prosperity of own people. If orders do go in favor of Light Utility Helicopter, it will be in line with the spirit of the ‘Aatmnirbhar Bharat’ or Self-Reliant India campaign by the Indian Government.
Nevertheless, the Indian journey for Kamovs isn’t over yet. As of 4th December, no official confirmation for scrapping the deal has been made and even if scrapped, some off-the-shelf procurements will be done to bridge the gap until production of LUH pick up speed.
Most of the aging Cheetahs and Chetaks have to be decommissioned by 2023, which necessitates foreign procurements.
 

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It is actually a good decision. I dont understand stuborness and resistance of Indian forces to induct home grown solutions. How will their home grown platform mature when even their own forces dont want to opt for them. These home grown solutions need to be chugged down by force.
On the other hand Russia will not take this decision lightly and will be another nail in the coffin. Although Russia is still one of the major suppliers if India so there will be no major shift in their policies.
 

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It is actually a good decision. I dont understand stuborness and resistance of Indian forces to induct home grown solutions. How will their home grown platform mature when even their own forces dont want to opt for them. These home grown solutions need to be chugged down by force.
On the other hand Russia will not take this decision lightly and will be another nail in the coffin. Although Russia is still one of the major suppliers if India so there will be no major shift in their policies.

Indian LUH not comparable to Ka-226T. Ka-226T is very unique and has nothing comparable any where in the world. It has full modular design and can been used in dozens of use cases.

Indian Army knows this but Modi is a slave of the US.
 

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Indian LUH not comparable to Ka-226T. Ka-226T is very unique and has nothing comparable any where in the world. It has full modular design and can been used in dozens of use cases.

Indian Army knows this but Modi is a slave of the US.
Seriously, the Ka-226 looks small and useless. How is it better than Dhruv? Maybe in term of price?
 

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It is actually a good decision. I dont understand stuborness and resistance of Indian forces to induct home grown solutions. How will their home grown platform mature when even their own forces dont want to opt for them. These home grown solutions need to be chugged down by force.
On the other hand Russia will not take this decision lightly and will be another nail in the coffin. Although Russia is still one of the major suppliers if India so there will be no major shift in their policies.

Seriously, the Ka-226 looks small and useless. How is it better than Dhruv? Maybe in term of price?

Watch this. Indian Army badly needs this and has been waiting for this for over 6 years now.



India signed IGA for the Ka-226T in 2015 and Modi just sat on it for 6 years and now cancelling it.

Modi again proved that he a slave of the US.
 

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Watch this. Indian Army badly needs this and has been waiting for this for over 6 years now.



India signed IGA for the Ka-226T in 2015 and Modi just sat on it for 6 years and now cancelling it.

Modi again proved that he a slave of the US.
Ok.. I know Modi is an idiot. He needs to be vote out.
 

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Ok.. I know Modi is an idiot. He needs to be vote out.

The above video that had posted is from Sep 6, 2019 .

The deal was already ready for signature since then.

All technical evaluations were completed and contract was ready.

HAL even made the plant ready to produce them.

All Modi had to do was sign it. But Modi is a slave of the US so he cancelled the deal.


KA-226T helicopters for India to be manufactured by HAL and Russian Helicopters at Tumakuru

By: Ananth Shreyas|
New Delhi | Updated: March 30, 2018 6:04 PM

 

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When we already made LUH, we’ll obviously buy it, no need to buy weapons to make them happy, try to increase conventional trade by showing a mid fing to Uncle Sam’s sanctions.
 

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When we already made LUH, we’ll obviously buy it, no need to buy weapons to make them happy, try to increase conventional trade by showing a mid fing to Uncle Sam’s sanctions.

If you are uninformed at least make an effort to learn. I had already posted the video above from DD. The Analysts explain why we need Ka-226T.
showing a mid fing to Uncle Sam’s sanctions.


So you want to weaken India to please the US?

You are another salve of the US like Modi.
 

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The above video that had posted is from Sep 6, 2019 .

The deal was already ready for signature since then.

All technical evaluations were completed and contract was ready.

HAL even made the plant ready to produce them.

All Modi had to do was sign it. But Modi is a slave of the US so he cancelled the deal.


KA-226T helicopters for India to be manufactured by HAL and Russian Helicopters at Tumakuru

By: Ananth Shreyas|
New Delhi | Updated: March 30, 2018 6:04 PM

Maybe US threaten Modi with sanction of F404 engine and withdraw all support for C-17, C130J and P8 pesidon? Who knows?
 

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Maybe US threaten Modi with sanction of F404 engine and withdraw all support for C-17, C130J and P8 pesidon? Who knows?

Then Modi needs to explain that to the Indian voters. We will decide if Modi is capable of leading India or not.
 

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Indian LUH not comparable to Ka-226T. Ka-226T is very unique and has nothing comparable any where in the world. It has full modular design and can been used in dozens of use cases.

Indian Army knows this but Modi is a slave of the US.

News clearly states that there are issues with local production of parts bcz of coaxial design. It will be another su30 fiasco if India has supply chain issues due unavailability of Parts. At least with traditional design India will have an active supply chain at home. Also coaxial design might look fancy but they are maintenance hogs with high MTBF rate compared to traditional design.

If i were you i wouldnt go for a made in Russia if you are looking fir complex. Even US which ia known for reliable designs has issues with coaxial rotor designs.
 
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News clearly states that there are issues with local production of parts bcz of coaxial design. It will be another su30 fiasco if India has supply chain issues due unavailability of Parts. At least with traditional design India will have an active supply chain at home. Also coaxial design might look fancy but they are maintenance hogs with high MTBF rate compared to traditional design.

If i were you i wouldnt go for a made in Russia if you are looking fir complex. Even US which ia known for reliable designs has issues with coaxial rotor designs.


Indian KA-226T chopper uses Turbomeca Arrius 2G engines from France and not Motor Sich engine from Ukraine.

This is a Indo-Russian joint venture on the lines of Brahmos. The joint venture was already created to manufacture 60 helicopters in Russia and the remaining 140 manufactured in India.

India needs 400 helicopters and KA-226T would only fulfill 50% of that requirement while the remaining would be met by Indian LUH.

A sailor with feet in two boats will sail in none.

What you say is true only if India was receiving ToT from the US & France. TOT from the US & France is zero in the deals like Rafale, P8 etc.

SU-30 and KA-226T have 70% to 90% ToT from Russia to India.

Something is better than nothing.
 
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Indian KA-226T chopper uses Turbomeca Arrius 2G engines from France and not Motor Sich engine from Ukraine.

This is a Indo-Russian joint venture on the lines of Brahmos. The joint venture was already created to manufacture 60 helicopters in Russia and the remaining 140 manufactured in India.

India needs 400 helicopters and KA-226T would only fulfill 50% of that requirement while the remaining would be met by Indian LUH.


What you say is true only if India was receiving ToT from the US & France. TOT from the US & France is zero in the deals like Rafale, P8 etc.

SU-30 and KA-226T have 70% to 90% ToT from Russia to India.

Something is better than nothing.

I was actually talking about sanctions part. Russia and US are arch enemies so it is difficult task to keep both happy. US especially doesnt like its allies two timing with Russia and China.
 

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