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MKEK is developing New Type Naval Gun for Navy

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  1. dBSPL

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    According to the news of Abdullah Karakuş from Milliyet newspaper, the Machinery and Chemical Industry Corporation (MKEK) is developing "Naval Gun" for the ships.

    Under 76/62 mm Naval Gun Development Project: “While the procurement time of this weapons system abroad is 24 months, it is planned to start factory acceptance tests within 12 months of the prototype to be produced with domestic facilities within national design. After the MKEK started to localize its weapon system, the overseas supplier firm lowered the unit price to passivate development project. New developing weapon system will be used on med-to light tonnage ships in the Navy inventory. ”

    Because of fast intervals on long range shooting, Naval Gun development differs from standard howitzer and guns, therefore, the development and production of naval guns is really difficult process.

    Not much information has been shared about the project details yet. However, in the Turkish Navy inventory, Italian OTO Melara 76 mm Naval guns are using broadly. In the Turkish Navy inventory, OTO Melara 76 mm ship guns are used in Gabya-class frigates, ADA-class corvettes and Rüzgar, Dogan, Yıldız and Kılıç-class patrol/missile corvette and boats. Also In the latest news, it was observed that 76 mm main gun was added to the Burak class corvettes, which are the old ships.

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    "Actually MKEK's domestic ship artillery project is not new. Since 2010, MKEK produced the cannon part of gun systems, under license of the Italian Otomelara and it was both sold to Italy and the Turkish Navy.

    The countries that produce and sell this system widely in the world are Russia and Italy. The rest is producing under license. If Turkey could succesfull on indigenization this system, the use of imported weapons will completely cease to exist on their ships or an alternative has been created for each group of weapons."

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    OTO Melara 76 mm gun system has 3 different versions called Compact, Super Rapid and Strales Systems. Turkish Navy ships use the Compact model in a large extent, but on the new ships, mostly prefer Super Rapid model.

    In addition, according to the information obtained by Defense Turk, studies on suitable ammunition groups for Naval Gun are carried out by MKEK also.

    The fire control system that can be used in this Naval Gun system is currently being produced by ASELSAN. This system is used in ADA class corvettes produced within the scope of MİLGEM Project. In addition, ASELSAN is developing a fire control system for a larger caliber such 127 mm naval gun also. https://www.defenceturk.net/mkek-gemiler-icin-deniz-topu-gelistiriyor

    original news link: https://www.milliyet.com.tr/yazarla...-savunmada-hem-de-salginda-millilesme-6252337
     
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    So one of the reasons behind developing 76mm naval cannon domestically is to reduce the procurement time, which is fair enough. If Turkey wanted to churn out ships, the armament would be one of the hang-ups. I just hope all the mechanisms are well researched and developed. Employing same companies Aselsan did in developing 35mm KORKUT SPAAG would be advantageous.

    We need serious research into naval propulsion, I fear it will be next to be hit by shadow embargoes.
     
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    I just voiced my major concern on the engine part in another thread. I'm kinda hoping for some divine intervention here.
     
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    Do we have any companies who have some experience and technology in naval propulsion? We usually have programs in nearly all aspects of weapons systems and subsystems but we are noticably quite on the naval front. Given the example set by Altay, this seems like a situation that is bound to blow up in our face.
     
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    No it wont,naval propulsion is not such a big issue,many options.
     
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    We should instead develop a big naval gun that shoots MKEK into the ocean.
     
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    Come on, please don't say that. Which other propulsion system do we use other than from Germany or Italy ?

    I don't understand this joke of yours MKE has been working for a long time and build up slowly and steadily.
     
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    Im saying that propulsion systems are not that difficult to design and produce.
    Engines for aviation is something else.
     
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    Gas turbine is also "something", which is also used on ships.
    Variable speed gearboxes which combines diesel engines and gas turbines are something, couplings or shaftings as well.
    Or pitch controllable propeller is something.
    Naval propulsion is challenging as much as aviation engines.
    However, it is easier to replace parts of propulsion systems on a ship with minor modifications when needed.
    Instead of developing old school codag cogag propulsions for large shipsr we can focus on integrated electric propulsion systems with electrical podded/propellers, ignoring shafting and gearboxes and focusing on large electric motors with variable pitch propellers.
    Gensets would be easier to develop or easy to acquire or replace, if we ignore shafting and gearboxes. And getting rid of the shafting it will be easier to place them in the hull.
    Foreseeing that, year by year electronic system aboard a ship is getting more intense, IEP will be convenient for this purpose , future proof ( for lasers- railguns) as well.
    I am rather curious if they are going to develop atom like programmable munitions, or guided -ER HE artillery munitions for naval cannons?
     
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