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NEW DELHI: INS Sindhughosh, a Kilo-class submarine, had a minor collision with a fishing trawler off the coast of Mumbai on the intervening night of Thursday and Friday, the Navy has said.

However, there were no major damages to the submarine in the collision, the Navy added. The Ministry of Defence has been informed about the incident.

The submarine was part of an exercise being conducted in pitch dark conditions. Its periscope suffered minor dislocation after it hit the unlit fishing vessel.

The submarine has since returned to Mumbai dock yard and repairs would begin soon.

This is not the first time INS Sindhughosh has been involved in a collision. In 2008, the submarine collided with a foreign merchant vessel, MV Leeds Castle, while it was trying to surface in the seas about 740 km from Mumbai.

Sindhughosh class submarines are the Kilo class diesel-electric submarines. They are designated 877EKM, and were built under a contract between Rosvooruzhenie and the Defence Ministry. The submarines have a displacement of 3,000 tonnes, a maximum diving depth of 300 meters, top speed of 18 knots, and are able to operate solo for 45 days with a crew of 53, according to the Indian Navy.

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Minor Collision Between INS Sindhughosh Submarine and Fishing Trawler Off Mumbai's Coast


What is happening? Times of India reporting that the periscope is damaged.This same boat was previously involved in another collision. Explosion on board INS Sindhurakshak, Explosion on board INS Sindhuratna last year, now INS Sindhughosh........are these the descendents of the K-19 'Widowmaker'?
Read and reflect.

One thing, the captain can surely kiss his career goodbye.
 

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NEW DELHI: INS Sindhughosh, a Kilo-class submarine, had a minor collision with a fishing trawler off the coast of Mumbai on the intervening night of Thursday and Friday, the Navy has said.

However, there were no major damages to the submarine in the collision, the Navy added. The Ministry of Defence has been informed about the incident.

The submarine was part of an exercise being conducted in pitch dark conditions. Its periscope suffered minor dislocation after it hit the unlit fishing vessel.

The submarine has since returned to Mumbai dock yard and repairs would begin soon.

This is not the first time INS Sindhughosh has been involved in a collision. In 2008, the submarine collided with a foreign merchant vessel, MV Leeds Castle, while it was trying to surface in the seas about 740 km from Mumbai.

Sindhughosh class submarines are the Kilo class diesel-electric submarines. They are designated 877EKM, and were built under a contract between Rosvooruzhenie and the Defence Ministry. The submarines have a displacement of 3,000 tonnes, a maximum diving depth of 300 meters, top speed of 18 knots, and are able to operate solo for 45 days with a crew of 53, according to the Indian Navy.

Source:
Minor Collision Between INS Sindhughosh Submarine and Fishing Trawler Off Mumbai's Coast


What is happening? Times of India reporting that the periscope is damaged.This same boat was previously involved in another collision. Explosion on board INS Sindhurakshak, Explosion on board INS Sindhuratna last year, now INS Sindhughosh........are these the descendents of the K-19 'Widowmaker'?
Read and reflect.

One thing, the captain can surely kiss his career goodbye.
Thread already exists, and before blaming the IN (although predictable) how about we consider this:


ts periscope suffered minor dislocation after it hit the unlit fishing vessel.

I think this goes a long way in explaining why this incident occurred (and similar things have happened in the past), it doesn't take a genius to figure out that operating in some of the most congested waters in the world and that too with many vessels being unlit is inherently dangerous. There is a correlation between congestion at Mumbai, the IN operating out of Mumbai and such incidents wouldn't you say?


This is why the IN is shifting its Western fleet down to Karwar but the base there will take a few more years to be ready to accept the entire fleet.
 

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Thread already exists, and before blaming the IN (although predictable) how about we consider this:
I think this goes a long way in explaining why this incident occurred (and similar things have happened in the past), it doesn't take a genius to figure out that operating in some of the most congested waters in the world and that too with many vessels being unlit is inherently dangerous. There is a correlation between congestion at Mumbai, the IN operating out of Mumbai and such incidents wouldn't you say?

No i wouldn't say, because correlation doe not mean causation.
Don't be so quick to hate. PN operates it's vessels from Karachi as well, and it is equally littered with fishing boats and what not. So do many other navies around the world. So what a lame attempt to hide potential incompetency of the commander. In sea and air navigation, you don't have excuses. How do the airmen navigate flying so fast in the dark? There are rules that all have to abide by. Same in case of maritime navigation. BTW, before surfacing, the commander has to check the surroundings/use his sensors to make sure the area is clear. If INS Sindhughosh cannot locate a fishing vessel in the dark, i wonder if it is really combat worthy?
 

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No i wouldn't say, because correlation doe not mean causation.
Don't be so quick to hate. PN operates it's vessels from Karachi as well, and it is equally littered with fishing boats and what not. So do many other navies around the world. So what a lame attempt to hide potential incompetency of the commander. In sea and air navigation, you don't have excuses. How do the airmen navigate flying so fast in the dark? There are rules that all have to abide by. Same in case of maritime navigation. BTW, before surfacing, the commander has to check the surroundings/use his sensors to make sure the area is clear. If INS Sindhughosh cannot locate a fishing vessel in the dark, i wonder if it is really combat worthy?
There is difference between trawler,vessel and boat.Being a mumbaikar, I know what kind of boat they talking about and believe me it not larger than a truck with 5-6 people onboard.
 

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PN operates it's vessels from Karachi as well, and it is equally littered with fishing boats and what not.
Mumbai is many times more cluttered and congested than Karachi not to mention the IN being embarrassingly larger than the PN so such comparisons are moot.

So do many other navies around the world.
Not true at all. Most navies around the world have dedicated naval bases well away from civilian areas AND the civilian vessels follow the rules of the sea i.e. proper lighting and observing their surroundings. In Mumbai neither of these are true hence why the IN is moving to a new base that is nowhere near the civilian population centre.

And the sort of vessels we are talking about are tiny and almost impossible to see at night.

How do the airmen navigate flying so fast in the dark?
Apples and oranges.

. BTW, before surfacing, the commander has to check the surroundings/use his sensors to make sure the area is clear.
You seem to have an insider scoop, how do you know it was surfacing? it could have been diving, it could have been hovering.

A lot of jumping to conclusions here to suit your own (anti-India) ends.

If INS Sindhughosh cannot locate a fishing vessel in the dark, i wonder if it is really combat worthy?
Unless you are saying your navy is now operating tiny unlit fishing trawlers, I don't think the combat capabilities of the sub need to be questioned. She will be able to spot your F-22s or whatever.
 

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Mumbai is many times more cluttered and congested than Karachi not to mention the IN being embarrassingly larger than the PN so such comparisons are moot.


Not true at all. Most navies around the world have dedicated naval bases well away from civilian areas AND the civilian vessels follow the rules of the sea i.e. proper lighting and observing their surroundings. In Mumbai neither of these are true hence why the IN is moving to a new base that is nowhere near the civilian population centre.

And the sort of vessels we are talking about are tiny and almost impossible to see at night.


Apples and oranges.


You seem to have an insider scoop, how do you know it was surfacing? it could have been diving, it could have been hovering.

A lot of jumping to conclusions here to suit your own (anti-India) ends.


Unless you are saying your navy is now operating tiny unlit fishing trawlers, I don't think the combat capabilities of the sub need to be questioned. She will be able to spot your F-22s or whatever.


By your logic of correlation, i can hypothesize that these specific class of submarines are troublesome, due to some recent mishaps. So either they are faulty or the IN is incompetent in operations. Which one do you want to explore?
(Or just blame the Russians?)
 

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  • Indian Navy Kilo-class attack submarine INS Sindhughosh hits fishing boat outside Mumbai harbour, minor damage to periscope tower.
  • Details on submarine incident: Happened on late Thurs night off Karwar. INS Sindhughosh was on special training mission with commandos.
  • Pitch dark, submarine was at 9m depth with only periscope above sea surface. Fishing trawler collided with periscope.
  • Periscope was bent and misaligned by collision and couldn't be retracted. Submarine brought back to Mumbai. Inquiry ordered
  • INS Sindhughosh was on mission training to deploy commando divers from its torpedo tubes when the collision happened. Bad
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Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor · 3h3 hours ago
INS Sindhughosh was on mission training to deploy commando divers from its torpedo tubes when the collision happened. Bad. 4/4

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3/3 Periscope was bent and misaligned by collision and couldn't be retracted. Submarine brought back to Mumbai. Inquiry ordered. 3/3

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Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor · 3h3 hours ago
2/n Pitch dark, submarine was at 9m depth with only periscope above sea surface. Fishing trawler collided with periscope. 2/n

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Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor · 3h3 hours ago
Details on submarine incident: Happened on late Thurs night off Karwar. INS Sindhughosh was on special training mission with commandos. 1/n

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Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor · 3h3 hours ago
Indian Navy Kilo-class attack submarine INS Sindhughosh hits fishing boat outside Mumbai harbour, minor damage to periscope tower.


Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor 3h3 hours ago
Indian Navy's official statement on the INS Sindhughosh submarine incident.


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Your emphasis on "Unlit" is irrelevant as subs are supposed to operate in dark depths of the ocean, and more importantly it was engaged in "exercise". if it cant detect a fishing trawler in a few meters away at periscope depth, how is it supposed to detect enemy vessels?

what was a fishing trawler doing in a n exercise area? did the IN issue any notice/ warning to that effect?

What about "Claimed" 24 hour surveillance and monitoring of indian borders?


Thread already exists, and before blaming the IN (although predictable) how about we consider this:




I think this goes a long way in explaining why this incident occurred (and similar things have happened in the past), it doesn't take a genius to figure out that operating in some of the most congested waters in the world and that too with many vessels being unlit is inherently dangerous. There is a correlation between congestion at Mumbai, the IN operating out of Mumbai and such incidents wouldn't you say?


This is why the IN is shifting its Western fleet down to Karwar but the base there will take a few more years to be ready to accept the entire fleet.
 

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what was a fishing trawler doing in a n exercise area? did the IN issue any notice/ warning to that effect?
As explained above, Mumbai harbour is extremely congested as it is used both as a major naval base as well as a very busy commercial port. Not to mention all the fishing activity. IN will soon relocate the base to Karwar. No, IN cannot issue a warning to all fishing vessels before each exercise.

What about "Claimed" 24 hour surveillance and monitoring of indian borders?
Surveillance is to ensure that foreign terrorists don't come to India by sea. It has nothing to do with detection of every single boat already present in Indian waters.
 

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No i wouldn't say, because correlation doe not mean causation.
Don't be so quick to hate. PN operates it's vessels from Karachi as well, and it is equally littered with fishing boats and what not. So do many other navies around the world. So what a lame attempt to hide potential incompetency of the commander. In sea and air navigation, you don't have excuses. How do the airmen navigate flying so fast in the dark? There are rules that all have to abide by. Same in case of maritime navigation. BTW, before surfacing, the commander has to check the surroundings/use his sensors to make sure the area is clear. If INS Sindhughosh cannot locate a fishing vessel in the dark, i wonder if it is really combat worthy?
pak navy????......... it is not even half of the warship that WESTERN COMMAND has
and as far as congestion is concerned mumbai us more congested with respect to karachi
 

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By your logic of correlation, i can hypothesize that these specific class of submarines are troublesome, due to some recent mishaps. So either they are faulty or the IN is incompetent in operations. Which one do you want to explore?
This kind of incident is nothing to do with the class being inherently risk prone, who knows what actually happened, if it was crew failure this will be dealt with but at the ska time these things happen, why are you getting all worked up over such a minor incident?

It's more than plausible the fishing vessel is to blame.

Your emphasis on "Unlit" is irrelevant as subs are supposed to operate in dark depths of the ocean, and more importantly it was engaged in "exercise". if it cant detect a fishing trawler in a few meters away at periscope depth, how is it supposed to detect enemy vessels?
The unlit element of the fishing trawler is key here. And unless you are claiming the PN now use tiny unlit fishing trawlers as operational platforms what baring does this have on the IN's combat capabilities?

what was a fishing trawler doing in a n exercise area? did the IN issue any notice/ warning to that effect?
Read the article @Donatello has posted- the sub was close to shore (and thus close to these civilian vessels) carrying out a Special Operations infiltration exercise.

What about "Claimed" 24 hour surveillance and monitoring of indian borders?
This has zero basis on anything. The 24 hour surveillance is meant to monitor hostile vessels entering Indian waters, what does a local fishing trawler have to do with coastal surveillance?
 

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Serial offender. INS Sindhughosh collided w boat in 2006, merchant ship in 2008, grounded naval harbor 2014. fishing boat Karwar, 2015

One reason, veteran sub capt tells me, is more officers chasing fewer boats= reduced sea tenures. inexperience telling
 

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