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Pakistans action plan as soon as India starts to mobilize troops towards the IB/LOC would be the following:

Phase 1- Pre-emptive missile and airstrikes on all strategic indian forward operating bases and airfields. Saturating Indian airbases/army HQs with ghauris, nasirs, baburs, and other various missiles. This was attempted in 1965 but at that time we did not have even 1% of the capabilities we have today.

Phase 2- Start Integrated battle group A offences along the IB in the norther punjab (sialkot/lahore) sector. In concurrence Integrated battle groups B supported by attack helis/drones/ fighter jets would push in from the thar desert sector in sindh. Integrated battle group A in the north would attempt multiple pincer movements along amristar. Another pincer blitzkreig strike along the northern side to cut off kargil/kashmir from all transportation links from mainland India.

Integrated battle group B in the souther sector would be tasked with created a large bridghhead in the thar desert to capture as much land as possible. So that before Indians could attempt their thrust into the desert Pakistanis forces would already be on their territory.

Phase 3- Total war. Mobilize all army reserve, all paramilitaries (rangers/frontier corp/etc..), mobilize all militant groups, and mobilize anyone of fighting age. Most pakistani households have atleast 2-3 grown men with guns ready to fight with their own weapons and vehicles. Put them throught rapid training or on the job training for some action. Its needs to be a total peoples war similar to how Chinese/Israelis/ Americans fight.

Phase 3- Assymetric and missile strikes throughout India on critical infrastructure. This would include oil processing refineries in Gujrat which could be targetted by PN subs. Indian naval base in mumbai, Dams, electric grids, internet connection tower, cell towers, water plants, etc... would all be targeted by missile or airstrikes to demoralize the indian populace significantly.

ISI agents within india would be activated to forment division and conduct assymetric military operations. Pakistani defences forces should confuse the enemy as much as possible.

Phase 4- Further escalation. We have seen time and time again in the world that the crazy madman always wins and gets the best terms of surrender. Example being Nazi germany pre-1942, US nuclear bombing of japan, Bushs invasion of afghanistan/iraq. Having a no mercy mentality on our enemy should be policy. Even if Pakistani forces attain complete battlefield supremacy in the northern/southern sectors, we should conduct 8-12 tactical nuclear sub-kiloton strikes on key indian military targets. Targets should be of minimum civilian casualties but maximum military casualties. We want to get the best terms of surrender from them.

This would show a defeated enemy that we will destroy their nations unless Pakistan has full dominance of whatever would remain of a confederate states of india afterwards and thus attain complete strategic hegemony of the whole subcontinent. Such terms could be laid out in the conditions of surrender but would look something like this:

- Pakistan gains all of Kashmir, all of Punjab, and all of the thar desert within Rajasthan (as a natural buffer). Indian occupied kashmir and punjab would become new provinces within pakistan

- What remains of India would be liable to pay Pakistan/kashmir $500 bn USD upfront for the cost of damages over the last 70 years. This would be followed by a yearly payment of $40 bn over the next 100 years to Pakistans national treasury.

- Indian military would constitutionally not be allowed to become an offensive force. Numbers and budgets would be constitutionally limited similar to Japan after ww2.

- Pakistan would have full rights/access to any Indian military base including army/airforce/navy.

- All Indian foreign policy would have to be approved by Pakistan

Only once such terms of surrender have been achieved can there be peace in the subcontinent and the world.
 
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Pakistans action plan as soon as India starts to mobilize troops towards the IB/LOC would be the following:

Phase 1- Pre-emptive missile and airstrikes on all strategic indian forward operating bases and airfields. Saturating Indian airbases/army HQs with ghauris, nasirs, baburs, and other various missiles. This was attempted in 1965 but at that time we did not have even 1% of the capabilities we have today.

Phase 2- Start Integrated battle group A offences along the IB in the norther punjab (sialkot/lahore) sector. In concurrence Integrated battle groups B supported by attack helis/drones/ fighter jets would push in from the thar desert sector in sindh. Integrated battle group A in the north would attempt multiple pincer movements along amristar. Another pincer blitzkreig strike along the northern side to cut off kargil/kashmir from all transportation links from mainland India.

Integrated battle group B in the souther sector would be tasked with created a large bridghhead in the thar desert to capture as much land as possible. So that before Indians could attempt their thrust into the desert Pakistanis forces would already be on their territory.

Phase 3- Total war. Mobilize all army reserve, all paramilitaries (rangers/frontier corp/etc..), mobilize all militant groups, and mobilize anyone of fighting age. Most pakistani households have atleast 2-3 grown men with guns ready to fight with their own weapons and vehicles. Put them throught rapid training or on the job training for some action. Its needs to be a total peoples war similar to how Chinese/Israelis/ Americans fight.

Phase 3- Assymetric and missile strikes throughout India on critical infrastructure. This would include oil processing refineries in Gujrat which could be targetted by PN subs. Indian naval base in mumbai, Dams, electric grids, internet connection tower, cell towers, water plants, etc... would all be targeted by missile or airstrikes to demoralize the indian populace significantly.

ISI agents within india would be activated to forment division and conduct assymetric military operations. Pakistani defences forces should confuse the enemy as much as possible.

Phase 4- Further escalation. We have seen time and time again in the world that the crazy madman always wins and gets the best terms of surrender. Example being Nazi germany pre-1942, US nuclear bombing of japan, Bushs invasion of afghanistan/iraq. Having a no mercy mentality on our enemy should be policy. Even if Pakistani forces attain complete battlefield supremacy in the northern/southern sectors, we should conduct 8-12 tactical nuclear sub-kiloton strikes on key indian military targets. Targets should be of minimum civilian casualties but maximum military casualties. We want to get the best terms of surrender from them.

This would show a defeated enemy that we will destroy their nations unless Pakistan has full dominance of whatever would remain of a confederate states of india afterwards and thus attain complete strategic hegemony of the whole subcontinent. Such terms could be laid out in the conditions of surrender but would look something like this:

- Pakistan gains all of Kashmir, all of Punjab, and all of the thar desert within Rajasthan (as a natural buffer). Indian occupied kashmir and punjab would become new provinces within pakistan

- What remains of India would be liable to pay Pakistan/kashmir $500 bn USD upfront for the cost of damages over the last 70 years. This would be followed by a yearly payment of $40 bn over the next 100 years to Pakistans national treasury.

- Indian military would constitutionally not be allowed to become an offensive force. Numbers and budgets would be constitutionally limited similar to Japan after ww2.

- Pakistan would have full rights/access to any Indian military base including army/airforce/navy.

- All Indian foreign policy would have to be approved by Pakistan

Only once such terms of surrender have been achieved can there be peace in the subcontinent and the world.
what next? Did you ejaculate or someone woke you up!!
 

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27th Feb 2019 . The PAF retaliates

The following scenario was planned out based upon known narratives and intel - the same implications of no human factor apart from me simply enacting actions of air controller redirects(to try and enforce both borders and possible directives apply). This follows to the fictional wargame start of the 26th February strike actually being successful and leading to 200+ Pakistani deaths, mostly young childen.

The national response is fury, images of dead children blasted around the media with condemnation from China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey , Malaysia and even Russia asked India to show restraint. Diplomats are working around the clock and the Indian public themselves are divided with the rabid Bhakt following celebrating child deaths as superior deliverance while Indian civil society shivers in horror.

The PAF provided multiple options to the leadership while shouting matches broke out during the NSC meeting as tempers and temperament collided. The FM and a military leader were hesitant to launch a massive decapitating strike against a IAF airbase while some clamored for an all out attack claiming that it would incapacitate Indian leadership and possibly provide an avenue into Kashmir.

Finally, the limited response was chosen with the intent to cause equal military casualties to India and relieve pressure on LOC sectors with the highest ceasefire violations.

The following is a review of what would occur in that aerial engagement - if
1. All pilots are equally competent
2. All forces respond as per training
3. Algorithms for radar, missile kinematics and set 15 second OODA loops play out

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The result is no vacillating IAF and fighters that fight and a PAF that is more gloves off..

Make sure to force select 1080p quality otherwise the text & graphics are too blurred for any meaning.
There is something fundamentally wrong with your simulation. Computer controlled adversaries, and a 100% kill rate for one side? I don't want to waste time on this. Did you pick one point out of a larger monte carlo simulation?
 

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There is something fundamentally wrong with your simulation. Computer controlled adversaries, and a 100% kill rate for one side? I don't want to waste time on this. Did you pick one point out of a larger monte carlo simulation?
You don’t have to waste time if you didn’t bother to read what platform this was run on and how that works. However, I too was expecting losses for the other side as well but as it is all probability and odds it did not seem to happen.
 

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Bizarre. Sorry to burst the bubble of the think tank. But neither side is going to war. They will engage in low intensity conflicts without things spiralling into a full war. And honestly, the Pakistanis are more likely to come to the aid of China in a conflict with India than vice versa.
 

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Bizarre. Sorry to burst the bubble of the think tank. But neither side is going to war. They will engage in low intensity conflicts without things spiralling into a full war. And honestly, the Pakistanis are more likely to come to the aid of China in a conflict with India than vice versa.
There is no “bubble” to burst here - this is purely Hypothetical (definition available) based upon an even more of a hyperbole put together by a US based think tank - its even in the thread title.

In fact, in every post if intelligent people would bother to read , the fictional and spurious nature of the scenarios is highlighted.
 

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There is no “bubble” to burst here - this is purely Hypothetical (definition available) based upon an even more of a hyperbole put together by a US based think tank - its even in the thread title.

In fact, in every post if intelligent people would bother to read , the fictional and spurious nature of the scenarios is highlighted.
My post doesn't dismiss the sequence of events ; it merely insinuates that the premise itself based on which the hypothetical scenario plays out is flawed. A more serious hypothesis would take into account the tactical nukes that Pakistan possesses, the political upheavel in India, much quicker intervention by the US because of the Indian lobby there. Anyway, best of luck
 

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Pakistani cities, industries, and other resources are mostly within 150km of the Indian border. This is especially true in North Punjab/Kashmir areas. North Punjab also has the densest road and rail network in the country. Pakistani cities and towns can inflict large amounts of damage on an occupying army because the population is heavily armed. Bringing ammunition and resources to the frontlines is not a problem.

On the other hand, the same cannot be said for India. Logistics and sustainability have always been a problem for them. During Brasstacks and 2001-2002, the Pakistan Army mobilised far faster than their Indian counterparts and at a fraction of the cost. Even in 2019, they were videos of Indian tanks getting stuck in crappy roads while moving to the Pakistan border.
However, logistics isn’t only about the movement of troops to the front line, your talking about food, ammunition, fuel, clothing, etc. Your main issue would also be raw material logistics in an armed conflict that can restrict war production within the country, after sanctions are placed tying both hands behind ones back, other nations put on notice by larger powers not to resupply our forces or be prepared to face consequences — how can you maneuver in this scenario? Can Pakistan offer enough value to other nations that the pain they’ll face is worth it? Heck, we were out maneuvered by simple Sheikhs during IKs saga of going to Malaysia.

I care not if you have 100M armed Pakistanis ready to fight with AKs and Jazba, but rather how to keep them resupplied would be my concern. As without fresh supplies they’ll lose their morale. When you see your enemy having a hot meal on the front line and your eating canned cold meat, this wouldn’t provide motivation to even fight, hence, you lost the war before it started.

Our 1971 War, we suffered from logistics greatly couldn’t supply, move troops or anything to East Pakistan. Had we been able to history might have been kind to us.
 
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I am quite fond of Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations as a past time and is a fairly realistic wargame:

"Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations is a comprehensive wargame of air & naval military operations from post WW2 to the near future, covering scenarios of both total war and low intensity situations. The scale is primarily tactical/operational, although strategic scale operations are also possible."

It is also provided to militaries as a simulation and scenario tester

https://command.matrixgames.com/?page_id=3822

They regularly consult with think tanks and former military to build out their playable scenarios so they are sometimes ground in reality if not a little hyperbole thrown in. So to give us something other than the usual to delve on and let our top members have some thoughts thrown out - along with helping me spend a boring Friday afternoon, I decided to paste the entire scenario with some comments thrown in and get " reviews", thoughts and laughter if at all. But it also helps address the question of where the future is really going. BE forewarned, it can be a long read so only if you feel you have the time and find nothing better to do

@Irfan Baloch @Dazzler @niaz @notorious_eagle @fatman17 @krash @The Eagle @PanzerKiel @PAR 5 @Signalian @Foxtrot Alpha @LeGenD @Deino

Other members can tag others as well - after all, with all the chaos going on in the world, why not stress a little more with thoughts of more chaos?:p:

Recently they came out with a scenario for the subcontinent called Kashmir Fire - it basically extrapolates from the events of 2019 and puts them in 2024 and goes from there. The scenario plays out over 16 engagements that switch sides to provide a full play perspective from both sides. Starting with just India and Pakistan it ends with a Indian-US alliance taking out a Pakistani-Chinese alliance completely. What is interesting is that another simulation back in the early 90s(even with Pressler) imagined the US attacking India with the help of Pakistan - so it is a good reflection of what both think tanks and eager enthusiasts are all aligned on.

The crux of events is below(2024 timeframe):

1. Border Skirmish
Ever since the Indian Subcontinent was independent of Great Britain, conflict between the predominantly Hindu Indian population and predominantly Muslim Pakistani population has been practically constant. With several official and unofficial conflicts taking place between 1947 and today, there is plenty of bad blood between the two nations.

Recently insurgents in northern Pakistan have increased attacks into Indian held Kashmir. Indian forces have put pressure along the border to contain insurgents to Pakistan, but are so far unsuccessful. Pakistani forces have also engaged with these insurgents, however the frequency of attacks within Pakistan is minimal in comparison. Indian Armed Forces are massing in the Kashmir and Punjab regions to bolster local police and military forces in an effort to stem the insurgent attacks.

Three days ago, Indian forces launched a short incursion into Pakistan chasing after withdrawing insurgents, they retreated into India quickly, however their presence was known. Pakistan strongly denounced the Indian military action outside of their borders, and warned of a retaliation in case of a repeat offense. Tensions between the two South Asian powers are running high, and conflict appears inevitable.
(Essentially 27th Februray but with the supposed "surgical strike" of Uri as the start)

Indian Mechanized forces have moved across the border for the second time in three days, they have been warned, and this time they will suffer the consequences.
Eliminate the three (3) Forward Operating Bases near the border in southern Kashmir and northern Punjab. FOBs Serpent, Hydra, and Harpy are already located for striking.
In addition, engage Indian armored and mechanized forces that have crossed the border. Their exact locations are unknown, however they are reported to be East of Lahore, near Shakargarr, and near Hadali.
(Best outcome is essentially 27th february with much more relaxed ROEs and no losses to PAF)

2. Retaliation (played from Indian perspective)
Yesterday morning, Pakistani Forces made true their promise to engage any Indian forces that crossed the border into Pakistan. In addition to attacking Indian forces in Pakistan, Indian Forward Operating Bases on the other side of the border were attacked as well. The Pakistani operation also resulted in an air brawl, in which aircraft from both sides freely engaged each other.
The afternoon of 19 October was relatively calm, with both sides temporarily standing down and recovering from the events of the morning. The Indian public is outraged and demands that Pakistan pay for the lives that India lost. Following an emergency meeting of top Indian officials, the decision was made to make a retaliatory strike against Pakistani military sites.
While neither side is officially ready for conflict, it appears that the two countries will soon descend into all out conflict.

Situation
Pakistan’s air assault yesterday neutralized our three forward operating bases on the frontier with Pakistan. In addition, they attacked and destroyed SAM sites along the border as well as silencing our radars operating in the region. The Ministry of Defense has decided that offensive action against PAF bases and assets is to take place as early as 0000 Zulu on 20 OCT 2024.

Mission
Eliminate high value Pakistani air defense targets and engage airbases and the facilities associated with the PAF. Ammunition storage, hangars, and fuel facilities are top targets, however runways are also desirable targets. Targets are as follows:
All Air Defense Sectors Headquarters
PAF Murid
PAF Minhas
PAF Mianwali
PAF Rafiqui
PAF Shahbaz
PAF Faisal
PAF Masroor
In addition, Pakistan has acquired shore based cruise missiles, these are to be eliminated.
(About 126 IAF assets available and is considered a success if less than 3 are lost while eliminating all objectives - takes 24 hours of in simulation time - probably 90 minutes of real time to go through this)

3. Chaos (Played as Pakistan)
After India’s broad retaliatory actions, all diplomatic solutions have been thrown out the window for the short term. India and Pakistan have fallen into armed conflict on all fronts, and Indian forces are advancing into Pakistan, albeit slowly. Pakistan is putting up firm resistance in the air and on the ground, but a small Indian flotilla has effectively blockaded Pakistan’s coast.
Many tribal leaders in the northern mountains of Pakistan were initially highly critical of the opening of hostilities with India. This led to a strong division in the Pakistani military, as many of those who call the mountains home were strongly influenced by these local authority figures. Yesterday, large units of the Pakistani Air Force and Army defected to join the Mountain Alliance( I am assuming this is hyperbole based upon PTM but taken to the extreme)
The Territorial Government of Gilgit-Baltistan declared autonomy from Pakistan and has attempted to remove themselves from the conflict, however neither India or Pakistan recognized this claim and are both addressing the Mountain Alliance as terrorists.
In addition, China has stated that they are going to remain out of the conflict, but are closely monitoring the conflict and will act in their best self interests. The United States has sent the John F. Kennedy Strike Group to monitor the situation from the Arabian Sea. The international community is strongly attempting to calm the conflict, however it is clear that neither side is showing any intention of slowing down.

Situation
Hundreds of soldiers, pilots and airmen have defected to join the rebels in the north. They have seized a number of MANPADs as well as Crotale and Spada SAM systems. Multiple armored and mechanized infantry units have also defected. The rebels have seized Skardu Airbase as well as militarizing the airports in Gilgit and Chilas. The latter two bases are of extremely limited capability, and are expected to only be housing rotary wing aircraft.
Mission
Maintain the current frontline with India, and degrade the so called Mountain Alliance’s forces.
Protect FOB Cannon east of PAF Mushaf and the refueling depot east of PAF Rafiqui.
Conduct assigned CAS tasking ( essentially holding ops at best - the Mountain alliance also has some F-7s)

4. Doomsday Clock (India)
Combat has been raging for nearly two weeks along the frontier, and neither side has made significant advances. Indian forces have taken high casualties attempting to dislodge Pakistani forces around Lahore, and so far have been unsuccessful despite an intense air and artillery campaign. Pakistani forces have also held extremely firmly at Karachi against a fairly broad Indian ground offensive.
The Mountain Alliance has proven itself a tough nut to crack, despite having no international support and seeing offensives launched against it from both Pakistan and India. Neither country is throwing a huge amount of resources at defeating the Mountain Alliance, although they have been causing issues for both countries’ forces.
Mountain Alliance forces have declared that if they continue to be encroached on by Indian forces, that they will make the country pay. India dismissed this, as the Mountain Alliance lacked any sort of credible offensive capability against the Indian population, until twelve hours ago.

Situation
Mountain Alliance forces have seized Hatf 4, 6, and 7 launchers from a depot in Northern Pakistan. Their locations are unknown, but it is speculated that they will not hesitate to use them, so quick action is required to eliminate these launchers regardless of the cost.

Mission
Eliminate all Mountain Alliance ballistic and cruise missile threats. ( Tricky situation of getting sorties through mountains but the basic premise of "unsafe nuclear weapons)

5. Flaming Seas (played as India)
After narrowly avoiding nuclear catastrophe, the Indian Military stepped up its offensives in all spheres of combat. The Mountain Alliance is still holding firm, however their Air Force is completely in shambles. Pakistani forces are on the run, however they are setting up defensive lines around major cities and infrastructure.
American and Chinese forces are closely monitoring the situation from the Indian Ocean. American diplomats are attempting to draw down the crisis, while Chinese diplomats are attempting to supply Pakistan. There have been reports of Chinese aircraft being shipped to Pakistan to supplement its dwindling Air Force, however these remain unconfirmed.
The Pakistani Navy has stayed in port at Karachi, maintaining its status as a fleet in being. Indian forces have maintained standoff from the coast due to the presence of land based SSMs. Both Indian carriers have been sidelined early in the conflict due to technical issues, but their appearance in the waters off Pakistan is near.

Situation
INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya have both sortied and are ready to launch offensive strikes against Pakistan. The Ministry of Defense has directed naval forces to engage the Pakistani fleet at Karachi. Most of their ships are currently in port at Karachi, while they have a few at sea. It is known that the crews are on high alert, and that the ships in port will be able to leave at a moment's notice. (Pakistani ships would not be sitting around , so this is turning into some simplistic assumption - also, Karachi isnt the only shelter available now)
Most of the remaining Pakistani fleet will be active, including their most advanced frigates of Turkish and Chinese origin. They also have multiple SSKs in port and at sea, including Type 041 submarines of Chinese origin.
Intelligence reports that thre are currently three (3) Pakistani frigates at sea in the Karachi area, and another 6-8 will be setting sail in the next 4 hours. At least two (2) submarines are at sea with another five (5) in port.
Resistance in the air should be limited, but be prepared to deal with CAP and potential airstrikes from Pakistani land based aircraft.
Pakistan has acquired an S-300 system from China and stationed it in Karachi. This will provide a significant challenge for conducting air operations within 100 nm of the city. In addition they are known to have YJ-12 and C-802 launchers near the city, so be wary of these land based threats
Mission
Sink as many ships and submarines as possible. Attack radars and coastal installations in order to support naval operations.

6. Shoreline (Played as Pakistan)
Four days ago Indian Naval Forces undertook a vast operation to degrade Pakistani naval and coastline capabilities and achieved high levels of success. Almost the entirety of the Pakistani Navy was sunk, either in the seas near Karachi, or at their moorings in the city. In addition, large numbers of Pakistani naval aircraft were destroyed, as were SSMs.
In a desperate plea, Pakistan acquired a number of old Chinese aircraft(JH-7A) to supplement their dwindling air force. China has changed stances and has discouraged India from further offensive action, leading to speculation that China may soon support Pakistan outright. China has increased their naval presence in the Arabian Sea, and is stepping up air patrols along the border.
The United States is still closely monitoring the situation and has a strong naval force in the region.

Situation
India has achieved almost complete control of the sea and is closing in on Karachi and Hyderabad on land, the situation is nearing desperate. China has increased their support, especially as far as material is concerned, but a strong victory is needed to stem the Indian advance and give the diplomats some leverage to get the Chinese involved.

Mission
Using all available aircraft and naval forces, locate and destroy the Indian carrier task force operating in the Arabian Sea. It is unknown how much longer the ships will be at sea due to their low munitions state, they will likely return to port within a few days to resupply. It is critical that they are destroyed before this, otherwise their defenses will be too powerful for remaining friendly forces.
(Simple enough if albeit a difficult task to avoid losses)

7. Alliances (played as Pakistan)
The Indo-Pakistani War has stunned the world. The speed at which Indian forces have advanced towards major Pakistani cities has surprised many foreign observers, but the losses both sides have taken is staggering. Pakistan is near the brink of defeat, and has pleaded for foreign assistance to China as well as other Muslim countries. China announced it was sending an expeditionary force to Pakistan to “protect the interests of the Chinese People and maintain security for Chinese assets abroad”.
Saudi Arabia(F-15SAs) and Indonesia(Su-30s and thank you @Indos ) also answered the call of Pakistan, sending forces to protect major Pakistani targets. Open conflict between China and India doesn’t seem near, however the world is fearful of the possibility. Pakistan will likely try to lead a new counterattack against Indian forces, but they need to stem the flow of Indian forces and supplies to the front line first.

Situation
Indian forces are still on the doorstep of multiple major cities, and they need to be turned back immediately. With the support of the Saudis, Indonesians, and Chinese, ground forces should be able to rally and start to push back. In order to give this counteroffensive a boost, strong interdiction efforts must be undertaken to isolate Indian frontline forces.

Mission
Multiple targets across Eastern Pakistan and Northwest India have been identified as critical to Indian supply efforts. Attacking and eliminating these targets is the primary focus of the next 12 hours. In addition, artillery has been shelling the outskirts of Karachi and Mianwali, these batteries need to be eliminated. MANPADS and SHORAD are to be expected around all targets.
(Mostly air ops that make good work of Indian forces if played smartly)

8. Flaming Dragon (Played as India)
The Pakistani counterattack against Indian forces has been broadly successful, and some of the pressure on the Pakistani civilian population has been reduced. China is no longer disguising its involvement, and has sent aircraft and material to support the Pakistanis. In addition both Chinese aircraft carriers have left port and are enroute to the Indian theater to open an air front on the eastern half of the country. Indian naval forces are not in any position to resist major Chinese naval operations, causing fears of a blockade of India.
India has looked for foreign assistance, but none have come to their aid. Many western countries have sharply criticized the Chinese intervention, but none have taken forceful measures. The United States announced that the Abraham Lincoln Strike Group would be deployed to the region to continue to protect maritime trade and safe passage. They will support the currently deployed Kennedy Strike Group.

Situation
China has directly attacked Indian forces from Pakistani airbases, which has propelled open conflict between the two counties. Their Pakistani and Chinese forces are expected to continue major offensive operations across the front, as well as conducting naval operations off the west coast of India. China has deployed their carriers, but they are a few days away.
Mission
Conduct operations to defend Indian airspace and airbases. Enemy forces are concentrated in the northern half of Pakistan, so if possible conducting offensive operations in the southern half is a secondary objective. Degrading the enemy’s ability to conduct air operations is paramount. Attacking SAM sites is the priority for any ground strikes made.

(Very Difficult - almost impossible to finish without heavy losses to Indian Forces)

9. Peacekeepers (Played as USA)
In the last week, Pakistani and Chinese land forces have advanced over 250 kilometers, moving the frontline from well inside Pakistan to between 40 and 70 kilometers into India(quite a big chunk actually.. Ghazwa e Hind fantasies for some here abound) Chinese armor and aircraft are causing incredible damage and disruption to Indian forces, and allowing the remaining Pakistani forces to capitalize. With the stunning advance, many Western observers fear India is in danger of losing the war. American forces have closed in near the shore to display their presence, and an expeditionary strike group has deployed to the area.
The United States has ordered all of its civilians in India to return to the United States, however India closed their major international airports, stranding hundreds of Americans in the war torn country.
Situation
American civilians are stranded across western India, and with Pakistani and Chinese forces closing, they need to be evacuated. Pakistan has declared that any aircraft flying over India will be declared hostile and engaged by Pakistani forces.(Oh sure, Pakistanis really are that dumb... :disagree:)
In addition, India is limiting their air operations in order to preserve aircraft. There will be air combat along the frontlines, but Pakistan owns the airspace. American embassy staff have negotiated with Indian officials, and the Indian government will allow American overflights of both transport and combat aircraft to evacuate American civilians.
Mission
Recover all Americans stranded in the country who have identified themselves. The majority are in Mumbai and New Delhi, however there are civilians located in Ahmedabad, Surat, Pune, and Dwarka as well. These should be recovered with aircraft from the Tripoli ESG.
There are also aircraft located at international airports in New Delhi and Mumbai. They have received special clearance to depart with American civilians onboard. They already have flight plans, however these can be adjusted. Ensuring these aircraft arrive in Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok safely is critical.
(Basically, the US allies with India and starts attacking Pakistani/Chinese forces)

10. Crackdown(Played as USA)
It took little more than a month for the Pakistan-India conflict to erupt into a war involving superpowers, now the intense regional conflict has sparked global involvement. The United States successfully evacuated their civilians from the conflict zone, but not without resistance. Pakistan fully enforced their no fly zone and the United States had to fight their way in to rescue their citizens. Pakistan was quick to criticize the United States “reckless aggression and blatant intervention”. The United States fired back stating it was “defending its citizens abroad against the reckless warfare being conducted by Pakistan”.
This incident was enough to spark conflict between the United States and Pakistan. The day after the evacuation, a Pakistani gunboat sailed within 500 meters of the USS Pickney, an American destroyer operating about 100nm off the Pakistani Coast. It is unclear who fired first, but the Pickney sank the gunboat, and all Pakistanis onboard were killed. Pakistan declared that it would “fire on any American forces without hesitation” in response.
Due to the increased tensions with the United States, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia have withdrawn support from Pakistan( Who wouldnt??)

Situation
Yesterday Pakistan announced that they would openly fire on American assets. The events of the last few days have convinced congress and the president that military action against Pakistan is in the best interest of the American people, and immediate strikes have been ordered. The Abraham Lincoln Strike Group is a week out, but the Kennedy Strike Group and Tripoli Expeditionary Strike Group are capable of handling the current threats.
China has so far declined to make a statement, but they should be treated with extreme caution.
Mission
Degrade Pakistani electricity production and infrastructure, as well as nuclear research and production facilities. Ensure that further operations are smooth by damaging Pakistani IADS as well. ( Generally easy if proper joint ops along with well prepared strike packages are used)

11. Escalation (Played as USA)
A week after the United States formally intervened against Pakistan, India has stemmed the advance of Pakistani forces and the frontline has settled. China has deployed both the Liaoning and Shandong carrier strike groups to put additional pressure on Indian forces, and the United States has responded by bringing the Abraham Lincoln strike group to the theater.
China stated that it would engage any American aircraft attacking Pakistani targets, which has led to a slight lull in American air operations as brass and politicians weigh their options. Last night, the US congress passed a secret vote, and today the results of that vote will be seen.
Situation
Last night congress voted for American forces to establish sea control off the coast of India so that full support of India can begin. This includes taking action against Chinese forces. The Abraham Lincoln Strike Group is on the southern end of the Indian subcontinent, and the JFK Strike Group just refueled and resupplied from sealift command vessels.
Mission
Degrade and destroy Pakistani and Chinese naval and coastal assets. Subsurface assets and aviation are a primary consideration, along with the offshore patrol group operating near Karachi. Preservation of American assets is critical.
In addition, safe passage of American supply ships back to Qatar(Et tu - Brutus??!) is an essential objective. Protect these ships well.
(Basically beat the crap out of Pakistani and Chinese forces and help India)

12. Thunder From The Sea (Played as India)
Pakistan and China have been halted on the ground, and the Indian military can catch its breath. The majority of the forces engaged are in the Kashmir region and surrounding areas, however the south has been the most dynamic theater. India, with the help of the United States, is pushing hard to attempt to isolate Pakistan from the sea. The major Indo-American victory at sea last week has made this goal a very real possibility.
Pakistan has mined the waters off of Karachi in order to prevent American and Indian shipping from threatening the shore.
India has ambitious plans(always have) for the future of the conflict, and today those plans will begin to unfold.
Situation
The Sino-Pakistani advance has been halted, leading to the potential for a large-scale counter-offensive. High Command has decided that the opportunity should be seized and an amphibious front should be opened against the city of Karachi. Capturing the city quickly would allow for a steady flow of reinforcements by sea to the area, and would cause serious logistics difficulties to Pakistan.
Mission
Using amphibious and airborne assets, capture the city of Karachi(Good luck surviving that hell!). The Pakistanis are likely unsuspecting of such a bold operation, and intelligence suggests that they could be taken completely off guard.

13. Over The Hump (Played as India)

The United States’ involvement in the Indo-Pakistani conflict has completely shifted the tide of the conflict in favor of the Indians. After the successful landing at Karachi, Pakistan’s major lifeline to the sea is gone. Ground fighting is intense, and neither side is conceding an inch of land. India is pushing into Pakistan, but it is at high cost to both sides.

China has stepped up its involvement immensely on the ground, and is keeping Pakistan reinforced through intense air commitment and airstrikes against the Indian forces. The area around PAF Mianwali and PAF Murid is the most heavily defended airspace in the world, thanks in large part to the Chinese IADS and CAP. India is going to struggle to crack the tough shell that has become the greater Islamabad area.
Situation
In anticipation for the upcoming offensive against the Sino-Pakistani stronghold in northern Pakistan, a strike must be made at their logistics. The Chinese are running most of their supplies through three airports in the Eastern Himalayas, which allows them a consistent stream of resupply over the mountains to their troops on the ground. Striking at these airbases and eliminating their ability to be used as a pitstop is critical to the upcoming operations success.
Mission
Destroy the AvGas facilities located at Xigaze East Airstrip, Lhasa Gonggar International Airport, and Nyingchi Airport.
Destroy all transport aircraft located at these bases.
Intercept and destroy the bombers flying into Lhasa Gonggar Intl.
(Basically, what India's contingency planners were hoping never having to do over Aksai Chin)

14. Falling Sky(played as Indo-US coalition, Tulsi Gabbard would be proud)

In the last month, Indian forces have pushed Pakistan back to the outskirts of Islamabad. China and Pakistan have fortified the airspace heavily in the area, with an intense IADS and combat air patrol net. The Indo-American coalition has strangled the Pakistani capital, but Pakistan is not backing down.
American forces still have stayed off the ground, despite Indian efforts to receive support on the ground. Despite not deploying boots on the ground, the United States has launched an intense air campaign against the Pakistani and Chinese forces. The Indo-American coalition is preparing for an incredible air offensive against the stronghold of Islamabad, which will prove to be a very difficult task.

Situation
Indian forces are preparing to launch a major ground offensive against fortified Pakistani positions in the Greater Islamabad area. In order for this to succeed, the coalition must achieve complete air superiority. Australia has recently deployed aircraft to assist in the coalition, and there is hope that more nations will join in on this final push.
Mission
Destroy and degrade the IADS in the Greater Islamabad area. Degrade enemy combat aircraft and air fighting ability. Destroy C3M, SIGINT, and communications bunkers.
(A lot of combined air ops which can be fun mixing in MKI's and F-35s)

15. Race Against The Clock
Indian forces are closing in rapidly on the last holdouts of Pakistani resistance. The fighting has been brutal, with thousands of casualties on both sides. China has withdrawn the majority of their forces, however aircraft are still based at Pakistani airbases to support the dwindling Pakistani Army.
The war is nearing a close, with a clear Indian victory in sight. Pakistan has stated that they will fight to the end through whatever means necessary, including a nuclear option. Every world power has strongly denounced this option and the United Nations are frantically attempting peace negotiations, but neither India nor Pakistan are interested in anything short of complete victory.
Situation
Intelligence has intercepted Pakistani orders stating that a full scale last ditch nuclear attack against India is likely to take place within the next few hours. All aircraft are to be diverted to eliminate all launchers immediately.
Mission
Eliminate all Hatf 6 and Hatf 7 launchers or intercept all inbound nuclear strikes


And essentially that is that - rather good start turned to usual gung ho ops but also has some realistic base into where the alliances are drawn. The assumption however that the nuclear threshold is right near Islamabad's loss is in my view a glaring mistake along with several others in terms of how the conflict would escalate. However, one thing is very clear that the Saudi-Indonesia support may not be coming at all. If anything, the Chinese may send aircraft and retired pilots as the resources dwindle but I don't foresee it going beyond 3 weeks and especially that Mountain alliance (some ambulation of PTM, TTP, FC and who?) isn't likely at all but a good thought to understand how the assumption to degrade Pakistan lies.
Where would Indian proxies in Pakistan come into this equation? TTP, BLA etc? They've launched successful operations in the past, destroying military equipment and killing scores of our troops and massive civillian casualties... Their sleeper cells could assassinate top leader and what not, in "self-sacrificing" attacks, potentially ending a conflict before it even starts.
Afghanistan allying with Indians is also a reality, dunno where Iran would stand.
 

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There is no “bubble” to burst here - this is purely Hypothetical (definition available) based upon an even more of a hyperbole put together by a US based think tank - its even in the thread title.

In fact, in every post if intelligent people would bother to read , the fictional and spurious nature of the scenarios is highlighted.
Thank you for an immensely entertaining thread.
 

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Where would Indian proxies in Pakistan come into this equation? TTP, BLA etc? They've launched successful operations in the past, destroying military equipment and killing scores of our troops and massive civillian casualties... Their sleeper cells could assassinate top leader and what not, in "self-sacrificing" attacks, potentially ending a conflict before it even starts.
Afghanistan allying with Indians is also a reality, dunno where Iran would stand.
That is a good idea
Lets say it is after the last scenario - which is 27th February after and India is gearing for its response. Would they utilize these assets right then or use them later in an escalation?
 

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Simple when war starts declare it Ghazwa e Hind and you’ll see millions of mujahideen rise willing to do jihad in India. Even some Indian Muslims will help us if we declare it jihad against kaffar.
 

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That is a good idea
Lets say it is after the last scenario - which is 27th February after and India is gearing for its response. Would they utilize these assets right then or use them later in an escalation?
I'd say after the first volley. As soon as PAF jets land after their first sortie, and enough manpower (which was dedicated to base defense) has been mobilised to the front lines. Plant a few bombs on railway tracks carrying munitions, attempt a few infiltrations in Cantonments to take people hostage (especially smaller ones like Bannu, Zhob etc...) Assassinations of top brass would definitely be difficult, considering they'd be surrounded by troops and what not, but again can't rule out IEDs targeting convoys in Pindi and Islamabad.
Afghanistan could open a front on their behalf, considering they've been eyeing Pakistani land for 75 years.
 

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28th February 2019 - 0100 Hours

After the losses and smattering from the overwhelming PAF force on the 27th - all hell broke loose in Dehli. There was disbelief coupled with fury for most with the desire to teach Pakistan a terrible lesson. The few cautious voices encouraging reaching out to allies and friends to put pressure on Pakistan instead of all out attack or suggesting putting Balochi or Mohajir faces on TV as part of a wider campaign found themselves silenced or nearly attacked themselves by the more virulent members of the cabinet.

The Indian military brass in general however wanted nothing less than giving Pakistan a heavy blow that in their mind would resemble the shock and awe of the 2003 Gulf war. To them, their "one hand tied" approach with Pakistan over the last few days is what cost 6 aircraft and hundreds of men and critical material on the Loc. If it were up to this leadership and most members of the cabinet, Pakistan would have been hit in its critical nodes on the 26th along with terror leaders. There were cautious voices within the military, those that pointed out that Pakistani air systems had performed better than expected on the 27th and for a bit the PM and the NSA were convinced on using a massive Brahmos strike alone. However, this was not to last as it was thought the Pakistanis would escalate with their own cruise or ballistic systems in kind and drag in the United States and other powers in a nuclear bluff.

But as this was being considered - the hawks had already won over in both the military and cabinet. While the PAF & IAF played chicken over the LoC the Indian military was instructed to give a broad based shock and awe that went beyond the Kashmir region as such and would target Northern Pakistan.

If Pakistan had jammed Indian Radars, India would simply destroy Pakistani ones along with any air defense elements in the way and steamroll through. Those citing that this would lead to full fledged conflict were shot down with explanations of how this would stun the Pakistani establishment and government struggling with a nearly dead economy to simply seek de-escalation. Even if the Pakistanis retaliated, it was surmised that India would raise the nuclear gambit to force world powers to intervene.

The plan was to hit Pakistani military targets all across the LoC and any supporting FOBs and divisional HQs. To give international legitimacy to the massive attack, LeT targets in Muridke and Sheikupura along with a suspected camp in Mansehra would be selected to provide justification on the basis of terrorism - but also to strike fear in the Pakistani civilian population in Lahore with explosions around the city's periphery.

Pakistan had used 40 odd aircraft on the 27th and India would respond with nearly 90 attacking some 60 targets overall. M-777s and Bofors had been moved forward to start a massive bombardment across the LoC on Pakistani targets - while it was expected that the Pakistanis would respond the IAF would attack across the LoC at both designated and targets of opportunity.

The Brahmos option was repurposed - with a massive barrage planned to coincide with interdicting Indian aircraft and hitting multiple targets including key radar systems to blind the Pakistani Air Defense grid. Pakistani retaliation with SSMs was to be expected but by the time it got going world powers would intervene - and if they did strike India could absorb a few blows.

Inklings of movement and intelligence was trickling into Pakistan - but the general mood was that the Indians might just leave at heavy mortars and cross border violations in the spirit of de-escalation. Especially since it was thought that the Indians were becoming aware of what the Chinese were doing in their backyard up north.

But as the clock struck 1am on the morning of the 28th... things were to be very different.

The opening salvo was not delivered by an Indian military system, but rather by a mix of TTP and BLA insurgents assisted by a local criminal gang bought out for less than $20000. The target was PAF Mushaf whose guard post and perimeter was awakened by gunfire along with mortar rounds. @Mr.Meap
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As the base was distracted to rush towards this threat the PAF radar picture seemed to show all quiet on the eastern front as the IAF seemed to have withdrawn its heavy CAPs as well. A EMB-145 Netra was seen in the area along with what was noticed as three il-78 airframes but that could be routine.

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Unknown to the Pakistanis, some 70 Indian aircraft were starting to get airborne - Mirage 2000s armed with Crystal Maze, Spice and LGBs to target the LeT Camps at Muridke, Shiekhupura and Mansehra. SEAD escorts of Su-30MKIs armed with KH-31s and Mirage-2000s with ARMATs.
Jaguar IS flights were gearing up to hit preplanned targets of Ammo Dumps while Mirage 2000s would hit the HQs and FOBs of the Pakistan Army. Some 12 MKIs were focused on fighter sweeps, along with Mig-29UPGs and Mig-21 bisons. Finally, a large bison flight from Srinagar and Pathankot would conduct rocket strikes. Every pilot equipped with NVGs with targets pin pointed- they rolled across the tarmac.

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As the packages got airborne - diversionary caps started flying near the LoC with IAI Searcher and Heron UAVs marking targets for the LoC strikes.
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Bofors and M-777s had their Pakistani forward post targets in range with the UAVs ensuring accuracy. But as the UAVs neared the LoC the PAF Combat Air Patrols were vectored towards them.

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Around 1:15 AM local time - the barrage began against Pakistani targets - as a JF-17 Block-2 flying with a retrofit AESA radar was authorized to shoot down the Heron.
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As the barrage began, so did the launches of the first Brahmos towards a MPDR-45. Meanwhile - a flight of 2 MKIs and 2 Bisons was vectored right across the LoC to engage the JF-17s and clear the way for the strike aircraft expected soon.

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As the alarms bells rang at AHQ and GHQ with the aide to the PM being called furiously on his cell to wake him up - the Brahmos strike crossed the border at Mach 2 heading for the radar situated near Lahore.
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There was little warning to the personnel around the radar - all they heard was a small bang from what seemed to be nothing more than a street light - but then mere milliseconds later the radar and everything within a 100m radius was blown to smithereens. The loss of picture was immediately noticed at AHQ - but there was a Saab 2000 Erieye airborne to still give a clear idea and a misleading conclusion by a senior officer that it may be a follow up terror attack to Sargodha saw this key clue missed.

As the first Indian flight crossed the LoC - both SD-10s and R-77s flew across. The PAF was starting to scramble its alert fighters as 4 F-16s were rushed into the air while 2 more plus 4 JF-17s and 6 F-7PGs were readied from Alert 30 to launch.

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The SD-10 Struck home and a Mig-21 Bison was the first aircraft to go down in flames over Punch as the terrified civilians across both sides of the LoC - already fearful for their lives watched fireworks unfold.
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Meanwhile - this initial sweep continued to engage PAF fighters - but was soon faced with a AIM-120 Barrage from the very deadly F--16s from 11 and 9sqs of the PAF. But the intention, to divert the PAF north first worked.
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As Aim-120s struck home and brought down 2 MKIs - the R-77 Barrage took its toll and the 9sq flight was no more.
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More MKIs from the north now joined the foray as the PAF interceptors scrambled to defend their airspace. Knowing they were outranged - the MKIs flew hot and cold trying to break apart the 2 11sq aircraft - finally getting in range to launch their volley at them but not without losing 1 to a AIM-120
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By this time, it was clear - this wasn't some small skirmish. As the IAF aircraft approached the border - Brahmos batteries unleashed their arsenal in full force.

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Missiles flew back and forth - Air to Air, Crystal Maze Cruise systems and Brahmos - scream towards their respective targets.

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What wasnt known to the IAF was an operational HQ-16 battery near Gujranwala - as the Indian aircraft crossed the border it let loose. Within a few minutes Mirages and Jaguars were jettisoning their loads trying to crane their necks looking for the incoming Sams. 2 went down immediately - MKIs launched KH-31s towards the HQ-16 while the Indian aircraft dropped to low level.

However, the Pakistanis had covered the most common approaches - and RBS-70 and Anza teams awaited guidance.

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As Indian aircraft lobbed weapons at Pakistani targets, their low level attacks were met with RBS-70 Bolides, Anza sams and a AAA barrage that took its toll on the Mig-21sand some MKIs that had gotten too low avoiding the HQ-16 or Pakistani interceptors.

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By 2:00 AM, there was pandemonium in Pakistani military HQs, reports of massive losses from the front along with possibly a 2 star killed who happened to be visiting a forward base was sending both the establishment and government panicking. How was this missed? Which bureaucratic advisor or overly cautious intel officer let a report slide? There were no time for these thoughts yet - the PM was rushed to safety with the different cabinet members in pursuit - one of them deciding to head to his own village while instructing his son to buy tickets to Dubai immediately.

As the Indian aircraft swarmed the Pakistani skies, they started to slow claim air superiority - JF-17s, F-16s and F-7s were eventually overcome after fighting a valiant but overall futile defense


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As the Pakistani skies were owned, Indain aircraft continued to pound targets towards the front lines while additional Brahmos batteries were moved towards the south and all troops moved to mobilization. Pakistan to be stunned and then intimidated with destruction - both for its and the worlds consumption. India is awake and it is furious.

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Indian strike aircraft continued to fly strikes throughout the LoC axis - LGBs and dumb bombs coupled with the incessant artillery barrage left the Pakistani troops hunkered down with counter artillery fire nearly ineffective or non-existent.
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Mirage 2000s strike a camp and a Div HQ at Mansehra - setting ammo dumps ablaze as they used the mountain cover to avoid the surrounding AAA and make their escape.
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The last defense from the PAF played their BVR cards - stealing kills but otherwise helpless as their fellow soldiers and military targets fell.
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As this was happening - to drive a nail in this morning coffin - a flight of MKIs was tasked with bring down the PAF AEW - which was trying to retreat towards Peshawar and the western border. Burners lit, they gave chase. A JF-17 from Minhas put up some defense and brought down a MKI - but it too fell to a R-77.

At 2:30AM - the burning carcass of a Saab 2000 was seen by the residents of Hangu.

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The offensive ended at 3:00AM after brutalizing the Pakistani front lines and key supporting targets along with taking out key ADGE assets.

At the end -

Pakistani losses

14x 35mm Twin Oerlikon [UAR-1021 Skyguard FCR] [Cargo] - mostly through some unnerving Mig-21 rocket runs
2x 35mm/79 Oerlikon Millennium GDM-008 [Cargo] mostly through some unnerving Mig-21 rocket runs

1x 35mm/90 Twin Type 90 [China Type 902 FC] [Cargo] mostly through some unnerving Mig-21 rocket runs

34x 37mm/63 Type 65 Twin DP [Cargo] mostly through some unnerving Mig-21 rocket runs

7x Ammo Bunker -Mirage 2000 LGB and Brahmos

15x Anza Mk2 MANPADS [Cargo] secondary explosions and rocket attacks

13x Infantry posts (Small with Observer) - Artillery and Jaguar strikes

14x Bunkers - Brahmos and Mirage 2000

3x F-16AM Falcon MLU - MKI and Bison

1x F-16BM Falcon MLU- MKI and Bison

4x F-7MP Skybolt [F-7PG] - - MKI , Mig-29 and Bison

4x HQ-16B TEL [Cargo] - MKI

3x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2- MKI and Bison

2x JF-17 Thunder Blk 2(AESA) MKI and Bison

1x Radar (China YLC-2V) - Brahmos

2x Radar (MPDR-45) - Brahmos

3x RB 70 Bolide MANPADS [Cargo] Jaguar with dumb bombs

3x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS [Cargo] M2k with LGB

1x Saab 2000 AEW&C [Erieye] MKI

3x Forward Operating Base MKI with Griffin LGB

1x Div HQ - M2k Spice 2000

1x Vehicle (HQ-16 FCR) [Cargo] - MKI

1x Vehicle (Skyguard Sensor Unit [CEROS 200 Tracker + CCD/IR]) [Cargo]- Jaguar

6x Vehicle (UAR-1021 Skyguard) [Cargo] - Jaguar

Indian losses


1x Heron UAV
1x Jaguar IS [Darin 2]
1x Jaguar IS [Darin 3]
3x MiG-21bis UPG Fishbed N [Bison]
2x MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A
2x Mirage 2000H-5
4x Su-30MKI Mk2 Flanker H


Ending note:
I continue to be surprised why the simulation considers the RVV-SD variant of the R-77 so ineffective.
 

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