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Foinikas

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in 1996 Kardak crisis, over 100 Turkish F-16s blocked Hellenic Airforce, not to cross the 25. east meridian in the Aegean Sea
Is that what they tell you there?

Your troll team has started talking about future ,, 20+20 F-35s between 2028-2032
even there are no any deal

if your team talking about 2032 , then we can also remind you about the TFX fleets for 2032
I'm here since 1 August 2021 and I've seen you brag about FUTURE PROJECTS countless times. Actually,it's what you do the most on this forum! You talk endlessly as if something that hasn't been in production yet,has conquered the world.

PKK/YPG and FETO are American controlled terror organizations which killed Turkish people and soldiers

and All Turks very well knows what about USA-France backed day dreamer Greece which attacked on unarmed Turkiye in 1919

today same senario , Greeks are crying in USA-Germany-Spain,Italy and other NATO countries not to sell weapons to Turkiye

becauce USA-France backed day dreamer Greece again wants to attack unarmed Turkiye
When you're cornered,you always go back to "PKK/YPG/FETO" and "100 YEARS AGO TURKEY DEFEAT GRECCE PEOPLES AND FRANCE-USA-BRITAIN" narration.


and network centric warfare is for BVR combat , not for dogfight
learn about military
Hey ignorant salesman: YOU STARTED USING LINK16 AS AN ARGUEMENT,TODAY. It's as if you just discovered it. So don't go around telling me "learn about military". You're the arrogant ultra-nationalist Turk who has declared EVERY single person on the forum "ignorant". Even respectful members,experts,think tanks and army veterans.

And I wonder why the admins and mods still keep you here instead of permanently banning you once and for all. Most of the trouble starts because of your endless propaganda spamming and your flame posts and provocative comments.


Most of above information is false, wrong and misguiding propagenda.
WE all strongly protest foor wrong and false date putting in Defence.pk forums.
Stop it now.
What part is false? Go ahead and say it. Why are you accusing him of "propaganda"? Sami talked logically and didn't say anything weird.


STOP your wrong and false propagenda in this defence.pk forum.
Are you some kind of troll acount? What's the propaganda? What did Sami and nahtabob say that is wrong?
 

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So funny İsraeli System is against only small Drones


This tiny Israeli System can not stop Turkish TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs

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Its real Electronic Warfare System to jam and paralyze enemy communications and radars

Turkish REDET-II
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I'm here since 1 August 2021 and I've seen you brag about FUTURE PROJECTS countless times. Actually,it's what you do the most on this forum! You talk endlessly as if something that hasn't been in production yet,has conquered the world.

Stop lying

In this thread no any future project
only KIZILELMA which make maiden flight in the first quarter of 2023


When you're cornered,you always go back to "PKK/YPG/FETO" and "100 YEARS AGO TURKEY DEFEAT GRECCE PEOPLES AND FRANCE-USA-BRITAIN" narration.

Its reality

since 2013 , there are asymmetric-economic warfare between Turkiye and USA-France via their terrorists/puppets PKK/YPG , FETO , HAFTAR , Armenia , Greece in Syria , Libya , Karabakh and in the Eastern Mediterranean


Hey ignorant salesman: YOU STARTED USING LINK16 AS AN ARGUEMENT,TODAY. It's as if you just discovered it. So don't go around telling me "learn about military". You're the arrogant ultra-nationalist Turk who has declared EVERY single person on the forum "ignorant". Even respectful members,experts,think tanks and army veterans.

typical sily post from an ignorant waiter
learn about military then come to discuss

I am saying again , network centric warfare is for BVR combat , not for dogfight


What part is false? Go ahead and say it. Why are you accusing him of "propaganda"? Sami talked logically and didn't say anything weird.

Sami-1 is an ignorant liar troll who knows nothing about worldwide military and military capabilities of Turkiye and Greece

what an ignorant troll team ,,
even they dont know what about $3,9 billion CCIP modernization of 163 Turkish F-16s for block52 standard

and Greek F-16s lacks land attack cruise missile , link16 , EW suite and LANTIRN system for night flight

learn about military before dreaming
 

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So funny , Sami_1 shows EUROMALE
Greece and Europe still dreaming about EUROMALE in 2028



while 200+ Turkish TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs already in service
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EUROMALE for 2028 .. on the other hand Turkish KIZILELMA for 2025
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No comparison between Greece and Turkey.

Global firepower ranking:
Turkey- 13
Greece- 27

Turkey power index score- 1961
Greece power index score- 4506

Greek military does not even have 50% of the firepower/warfighting capability the Turkish military has. They have 43.5% to be exact.
 

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No comparison between Greece and Turkey.

Global firepower ranking:
Turkey- 13
Greece- 27

Turkey power index score- 1961
Greece power index score- 4506

Greek military does not even have 50% of the firepower/warfighting capability the Turkish military has. They have 43.5% to be exact.

What were the corresponding numbers for Ukraine and Russia ?
 

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Stop lying

In this thread no any future project
only KIZILELMA which make maiden flight in the first quarter of 2023




Its reality

since 2013 , there are asymmetric-economic warfare between Turkiye and USA-France via their terrorists/puppets PKK/YPG , FETO , HAFTAR , Armenia , Greece in Syria , Libya , Karabakh and in the Eastern Mediterranean




typical sily post from an ignorant waiter
learn about military then come to discuss

I am saying again , network centric warfare is for BVR combat , not for dogfight




Sami-1 is an ignorant liar troll who knows nothing about worldwide military and military capabilities of Turkiye and Greece

what an ignorant troll team ,,
even they dont know what about $3,9 billion CCIP modernization of 163 Turkish F-16s for block52 standard

and Greek F-16s lacks land attack cruise missile , link16 , EW suite and LANTIRN system for night flight

learn about military before dreaming
Kala malaka,no matter what people tell you,you mock them and disregard everything they say in a disrespectful way.

No comparison between Greece and Turkey.

Global firepower ranking:
Turkey- 13
Greece- 27

Turkey power index score- 1961
Greece power index score- 4506

Greek military does not even have 50% of the firepower/warfighting capability the Turkish military has. They have 43.5% to be exact.
You're not playing a video game.
 

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What were the corresponding numbers for Ukraine and Russia ?

Ukraine lost Crimea , Lugansk , Donetsk , Zaporija , Herson
and Ukranian cities were destroyed by the Russian Armed Forces

in a conflict , Greece will lose Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkiye


and Russian military is still from ww2 concept
also 150.000 Russian troops fighting against over 1 million Ukranian forces

Russia lacks UCAVs , long range weapon detection radar, guided MLRS and guided munition to stop HIMARS

But Turkiye can stop HIMARS .. Thanks to Turkish defense Industry

Turkiye's BAYKAR has production capability to produce 500 TB-2 and 36 AKINCI UCAVs annually

also TAI's ANKA-S and AKSUNGUR UCAVs

Ukrainian HIMARS attacks on Russian forces from max 70 km away

100 km Aselsan STR weapon detection radar can detect location of HIMARS
Turkish UCAVs can find and destroy HIMARS
even KARGI kamikaze Drone with E/O System has range of 200 km to find and destroy HIMARS

also Turkish TB-2 UCAV's Aselsan CATS E/O System can keep laser designator on HIMARS from 25-30 km away until TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS to hit HIMARS with point accuracy from 70 km away

Ukrainian soldiers would not even understand what they've been through ...
only a few seconds of missile sound ... and boom


Russia , Greece and Europe dont have this capability

Russia has great nuclear deterrence
but Russia lacks modern equipment for asymmetric and urban warfare
 
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Ukraine lost Crimea , Lugansk , Donetsk , Zaporija , Herson
and Ukranian cities were destroyed by the Russian Armed Forces

in a conflict , Greece will lose Islands which are 2-10-30 km away from Turkiye


and Russian military is still from ww2 concept
also 150.000 Russian troops fighting against over 1 million Ukranian forces

Russia lacks UCAVs , long range weapon detection radar, guided MLRS and guided munition to stop HIMARS

But Turkiye can stop HIMARS .. Thanks to Turkish defense Industry

Turkiye's BAYKAR has production capability to produce 500 TB-2 and 36 AKINCI UCAVs annually

also TAI's ANKA-S and AKSUNGUR UCAVs

Ukrainian HIMARS attacks on Russian forces from max 70 km away

100 km Aselsan STR weapon detection radar can detect location of HIMARS
Turkish UCAVs can find and destroy HIMARS
even KARGI kamikaze Drone with E/O System has range of 200 km to find and destroy HIMARS

also Turkish TB-2 UCAV's Aselsan CATS E/O System can keep laser designator on HIMARS from 25-30 km away until TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS to hit HIMARS with point accuracy from 70 km away

Ukrainian soldiers would not even understand what they've been through ...
only a few seconds of missile sound ... and boom


Russia , Greece and Europe dont have this capability

Russia has great nuclear deterrence
but Russia lacks modern equipment for asymmetric and urban warfare

What are the supposed numbers for Russia and Ukraine ?
 

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You're not playing a video game.

Yes , Turks are not playing video game in Syria , Karabakh and Libya


Yes of course,Turkish missiles,even American-made,always magically hit their target 🙄

Still you can not understand the importance of national defense industry



What about Turkiye without national defense industry ?


-- No UCAVs
-- No anti-radiation Kamikaze Drones
-- No Ballistic and Cruise Missiles
-- No guided MLRS
-- No long range guided Bombs
-- No air to air Missiles
-- No Air Defense Systems

only American Systems with limited numbers ... nothing else
50 SLAM-ER air launched Cruise Missiles
95 HARM anti-radiation Missiles
100 JSOW glide Bombs
120 ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missiles
145 AIM-120C7 BVR Missiles
old HAWK Air Defense Systems


What about Turkiye with national defense industry ?

-- TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs
-- KARGI , ŞIMŞEK anti-radiation and Kamikaze Drones
-- TRLG-122 , TRLG-230 and TRG-300 guided MLRS
-- J600T and BORA Tactical Ballistic Missiles
-- SOM and KARA-ATMACA air-land based Cruise Missiles
-- KGK , SDB-IIR long range guided Bombs
-- GOKDOGAN and BOZDOGAN air to air Missiles
-- SUNGUR , KORKUT , HISAR-A/O and SIPER Air Defense Systems
And many more on the way such as GEZGIN , AKBABA , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KGK-LR , GOKHAN , GUMS , LEVENT


Turkish Armed Forces fire power vs Greek PATRIOT Air Defense Systems

even I am not talking about thousands of J600T , BORA , ATACMS , SLAM-ER , JSOW , HARM , SOM , ATMACA , HARPOON block-II and soon AKBABA , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KGK-LR

Turkiye has developed KARGI anti-radiation Drone to find and destroy PATRIOTs
Russia,Greece,Europe dont have this technology

6+ hours of operation capability ( 1.000 km )
home-of-jam capability
SATCOM communication
RF seeker
Datalink
SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses)
DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses)

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PATRIOT Missile cost $2-3 million
on the other hand , Turkiye can produce 30 KARGI anti-radiation Drones in price of 1 PATRIOT Missile

so Greece never can match with Turkish Armed Forces fire power ...
 

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allies matter and turkey is short on allies while greece can call upon its christian brothers. If Russia is struggling in Ukraine imagine Turkey against a worthy adversary in Greece
 

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Greeks fight very much like Russians

Poor maintenance, logistics and tactics

They bought submarines which were sailing upside down in the water from Germans

They can have better equipment but I think the professionalism of the Turkish will save the day

Also Turks have very gutsy attitude
 

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Greeks fight very much like Russians

Poor maintenance, logistics and tactics

They bought submarines which were sailing upside down in the water from Germans

They can have better equipment but I think the professionalism of the Turkish will save the day

Also Turks have very gutsy attitude
That's very wrong.

We don't have poor maintainance,logistics nor tactics.

The problem with maintainance started during 2010s and it was because of the economic crisis. The SYRIZA government had neglected the Armed Forces to a point where the New Democracy government that followed,started solving the problems and trying to modernize the Army after years of having been put aside because of financial and political reasons.

The submarines bought from Germany were NOT sailing "upside down",they were tilting a bit. There were many problems with that deal,but they were solved and now these submarines are the best in the Hellenic Navy and some of the best in the Mediterranean.

Talking about Turkish professionalism and Turks having a "gutsy attitude" is also debatable.

Greece has some of the best professionals in the Navy and Air Force,as well as great officers in the land army. We sure have a lot of conscripts,but logically,the Turkish has a lot of conscripts too.

As for the "gutsy attitude",that's not guts,that's recklessness and audacity. There were several cases of Turkish pilots and sea captains running away as fast as they could,as soon as their Greek counterparts showed that they were serious.
 

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