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Mig 35 for Iraq

Discussion in 'Arab Defence Forum' started by Doritos11, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. Tshering22

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    MiG-29Ks are brand new, buddy. They were only delivered from 2008-09 onwards. So they will be staying in for quite some time before which we will be replacing them.

    Stealth combat has an edge but is not the complete picture of how air warfare is fought. It is for the same reason that Raptors were stopped to be produced because of their cost. They are lethal but cannot be used over a sustained period of time which would only weaken the using air force.

    Rafale is an excellent blend of typical French aeronautics that give us an excellent edge over our present threats and will be serving well into the next generation of warfare.

    Any replacement of the Ks will be home-made jets (by then).
     
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    It is unlikely that Rafale can see any restrictions. The French are pretty neutral and even in our toughest of times, have ever sanctioned us. When NSG blocked us, they continued their supply of weapons support to our air force. Also, their quality is very good in terms of product support, maintenance solutions and other things.

    But yes, they are expensive.

    The Sukhoi jets will give them unprecedented edge over rest of the Middle East (barring probably Saudi which has a state of the art air force and of course, Israel which is a different case altogether). Weapons range, radar's range, supermaneuverability, aircraft range, aircraft payload, number of weapons stations... you name it.
     
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    What do you expect? :omghaha: they've got the Tornados in hand back in the day :D
     
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    But you got to admit, Germans make the finest tech pieces in the world.
     
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    Word!!!! It's like India when it comes to IT industries!! - Im very optimistic about the future of India's IT industries -
     
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    Can they make a robot or a flying car? :ashamed:
     
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    I just wanted them to make a Mercedes tank :rofl:
     
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    Check the number of robotics applied in German industries. In BMW's plants alone, you will find industrial robotics everywhere.

    Saw this documentary on TV sometime ago; Germans are just the European version of the Japanese.

    No wonder them two get along so well.
     
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    :yahoo: So....... where do you buy a robot?
     
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    I have a feeling the only way for us to get sophisticated western systems is to shake hands with Israel like the rest of the Arab world does secretly.
     
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    They gave them to the poles after the laters integrated NATO. Here what, the one who are most likely to meet the MIG29 , think about the airplane.

    source:IAF Magazine Articles

    If you know how to read a graph...
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    For the MiGs, the disadvantage was the work load of the pilot. With the upgrade of MIG to SMT/PUG standard, it is now okay.
     
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    This babe is made for EW for MiG-29 (don't know about MiG-35)
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    Options BKO "Talisman" Threat type Name
    "Talisman Block-1" (8.0-12.0 GHz) radar of the Su-27, Su-30, MiG-29, MiG-35, F-15, F-16, F-18, F-22 , Mirage-2000, Rafale, Eurofighter, JAS-39 Gripen, Tornado
    Aircraft missiles R-27, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, MICA, Skyflash, Aspide, MATRA
    Anti-aircraft missile systems S-125, S-300, MIM-23 Improved Hawk
    "Talisman Block 2" (12.0-18.0 GHz) Aircraft missiles R-77 (RVV-AE)
    Anti-aircraft missile systems 9K33M3 OSA-AKM, 9K331 Tor-M1, Roland-2, Crotale-NG
    Anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes 2K22 Tunguska
    Anti-aircraft artillery systems ZSU-23-4 Shilka, Gepard, Loara
    "Talisman Block 3" (6.0-8.0 GHz) Anti-aircraft missile systems 2K12M3 (4) Cube-M3 (4) 9K37M1 (2) Buk-M1 (2)
    "Talisman Block-3E» (4,0-6,0 GHz) Anti-aircraft missile systems MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2 (3)
    Marking GER "Mascot block-12R» means that secures BKO airplane 8,0-18,0 GHz frequency range (wavelengths 2 and 3 cm.)
    Index «R» means that the BKO "Talisman" is completed with a barrier for radar detection and warning of approaching aircraft crew or anti-aircraft guided missiles with optical (thermal) homing.
    Maximum configuration of GER is configured to "Talisman Block-123ER».

    The principle of the BKO "Talisman" is based on the re-emission (relay) probe signals from enemy radar endowing them with a special phase, frequency, amplitude and polarization modulation.
    Modulated re-radiation leads to a distortion of the wave front, the perceived radar antenna systems (homing) of the enemy that has an impact on the angular, dalnostnye and speed (Doppler) gauges and radar tracking systems of the enemy. BKO "Talisman" affects the basic element of all modern radar - monopulse direction finder and violates his work.
    BKO "Talisman" radio controlled fuses influences Aviation (anti-aircraft) missiles causing it to fire prematurely (undermining the attacking missiles at a safe distance from the protected aircraft).
    Protection of aircraft from missiles with optical (thermal) homing, such as R-73 9M37 "Strela-10», AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-132 ASRAAM, is provided by means of the barrier radar. Barrier radar detects incoming missiles and defines its coordinates (bearing and distance) and issues a command to shoot a false thermal targets (LTC).
     
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    Its short flying time ,which is 29 min, before running out fuel..Other than that, it is deadly even in the hand of a so so pilot.
     
  15. Yzd Khalifa

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    No, only KSA has an open access to Western weapons due to its military doctrine, all nations have failed. We only take our own customizations as a self-defense mechanism.