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  1. ayesha.a

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    Well, then maybe I am misunderstanding your statements. I'll simply requote you below, and leave it at that, for others to judge:

    "Why did we not fabricate connections between Iraq and 9/11?" sounds precisely like saying that you did not fabricate such a connection.
     
  2. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    What I said was, if the war in Iraq have to be justified by fabricating evidence on WMD, why not try to fabricate evidence on 9/11 relation.

    US did insinuate Iraq have some degree of connection to AQ (Which is a smoking gun) but the proof is lacking (a visit here and there does not contribute as proof, those hijacker had also visited Saudi and Germany, does that mean that indicated Saudi and Germany have a hand on it?), you cannot point to one involvement simply by point to those people travel to which country.

    If US were to fabricate evidence, they could have provide fake financial backing/contribution, or training camp evidence on Iraq, which is quite easy to do, rather than fabricate the WMD existence in Iraq (assume it was never there)
     
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  3. gambit

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    The intent here is to deny US as much possibilities of self defense as possible, even the denial of common sense thoughts and legitimate investigative methods.

    You absolutely did not understand Gary's thoughts.

    Let me make it much easier for you...

    You showed how much we alleged that there was a connection between Iraq and AQ.

    Fine.

    But why bother to go thru all that when we could have fabricated evidences ? We do not need proof for a proof is a chain of overwhelmingly convincing evidences. Wars and feuds have been waged for far less evidences that we presented at the UN. Gary's point was that we did not need to allege anything, even though we did.

    How did we 'lied' ?
     
  4. NoOne'sBoy

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    @jhungary Did you participate in the initial invasion? If so what was your experience like? I am also interested in knowing how a soldier overcomes challenges such as food and sleep in such circumstances. Would be helpful if you can provide any info.
     
  5. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    Yes I was at the opening salvo of Operation Iraqi Freedom. We were one of the first (discounting the 173rd Airborne Brigade) that enter Baghdad thru a blitzkrieg all the way from Kuwait.

    The experience of war is chaotic and exciting. People all have their objective yet somehow, they don't usually go after those objective, more than once, someone would have stray into your AO. And the invasion is quick, and since we did not stay and fight, (our objective is to roll into Baghdad from the west), we did not actually do much really, most of the engagement were left for 4th ID and the Marine, we only started to fight when we arrive in Baghdad.
    It quite "war like" when we are at the business end of the operation.

    Well, there are no way to overcome food and sleep, most of the time you fight empty stomach, although you usually have a large chunk of MRE in the back of your truck or Humvee, it tasted so bad you either didn't want it or you didn't have time to eat it. Sleeping on the other hand is something you would try to get as much as you can, rotating shut eyes and if you are in a firefight, you usually too pump up on adrenaline to go to sleep anyway, but then afterward, when the firefight is over, you get all kinds of headache and basically you crashed until someone woke you up in your bunk. It's not at all uncommon to have 36 hours (maybe more) without sleep or with nothing to eat. And you probably won't notice that you have gone 36 hours without food and sleep, until whatever you are doing is over, and then you go on to do what you will normally do.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. Do you have any experience in dealing with civilians in Iraq and did you have the opportunity to get to know their views about the occupation?
     
  7. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    Was not in an occupation role when I was in Iraq, so I did not talk to local much, most of the time we are on a schedule.

    Was in Afghanistan, sentiment depends on how and where were they, most of them just did not bother unless they are making a target for themselves, most of them just want to carry on with their life in peace, and while most don't care, some do hate foreign occupation.
     
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    @WAJsal can we pin this thread for consistency? Thanks.
     
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    You should write a book about your life. :D
     
  10. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    Who? Me??

    I thought about it, but then I think to myself. meh....

    What I went thru is something what 3 millions American went thru already, you probably hear this story over and over and over again, but still, it's good when you make my story into a movie, but that just because movie are usually not the true representation of what really was happening over there, in reality? War is quite boring. You basically do the same things, eat the same things and see the same things day after day, on a good day, you get bored and nothing happened, on a bad day, all hell broke loose, and you may go home in a box.

    Then there are stuff that I did and I cannot tell anybody about (I was involved in some serious black shit over there in Afghanistan) and there are stuff that I don't want to remember even if I am allowed to tell you, and if you put all these away, my story is the same as every American who serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, so why bother writing the same book again ??

    I did wrote paper and article for company and think tank, but that is another thing altogether.
     
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    Out of them, not everyone is born in the USA, grew up in China, served in US military in Iraq and Afghanistan, married a swede, lived in Sweden. In that sense you are not belonged to the rest of the 3 million.
     
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    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    lol, I don't think my background have anything to do with my Military Service, well, yes, its kinda funky for people to meet me, but still, where I came from does not alter my warfighting experience once. What I did over there is the same as the rest of my platoon, sure everyone have a different take on the war they fought, but still, I don't think mine warranted to write a book about it :) I mean, I wasn't the one that pull Saddam Hussein from the cave or the one that shot dead Osama Bin Laden....
     
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    @jhungary you told me you could speak Russian but failed to prove it when I asked you. Interesting Russian is not listed on your biography. So what is the real truth?

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    i know a lot of guys that served and they never really talk about it and they certainly don't brag about it.
     
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  14. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    I speak Russian, to a certain degree (forgot most of them already, haven't used a long time.) Not native fluent or anything remotely close, Russian is taught in defence intelligence school the same way they teaches French in Foreign Legion. It's like you take Russian 101 and Russian 102 in local college (I would say around 80 hours learning time)

    I can also speak and understand Portuguese (every Spanish Speaker can) and Danish (similar to Swedish), I did not put that up on that too, and some Tagalong too, so?? I don't write everything I know on the page, otherwise it would be too long to read. Things that did not come to my mind when I wrote that (again, I did not speak Russian for about 10 years) then I don't write it there, what's your point?

    And I did answer your question. there are no way you can prove or disprove something on the internet, you are welcome to post a Russian Video here and ask me to "Prove it" but I can just as easy to find a few of my Russian Friend to translate it for me and you will be none the wiser. Or, post the task on air-tasker and find someone who can. It's very easy. Can you prove, definitely, that I spoke Russian, on the internet?

    I don't talk about much, or "BRAG" like you said, on my military experience, In fact, if you ask the people here, except for a few stories I shared on here, nobody here actually know what I did in war, not in detail anyway.

    I never ask anyone to believe who I said I was, you are free to not to believe anything any people say. Unless you met me in real life, you never know who I am. You always debate someone points, not where they come from.
     
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    There is a difference between being able to hold a conversation with a language's native speaker vs knowing the language just 'good enough' to get the important 'stuff'.

    Take this sentence...

    ' We are going to have a great time at the Grand Canyon. '

    Intel specialists who are also linguists stated that as much as %90 of what is spoken, or even written, are just 'filler' material.

    So for the above sentence, I need to know just enough English to get the words ' We ' and ' Grand Canyon '. From that, I can tell where you are going. Since I am going to break into your house, I do not care if you have a ' great time ' or not at the Grand Canyon.