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  1. The Sandman

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    Thank you for your answers i have some questions too.

    1) Can you tell us which and how many weapon choices a soldier can choose from?
    2) What was your favorite weapon during war?
    3) Is it officially allowed to pickup weapons from dead enemy soldiers?
    4) Tell us more about your experience during any firefight you remember? share only of you're comfortable to share with us.
    5) What was your primary weapon and secondary weapon and did you like it in comparison to the weapon that enemy possessed?
    6) During training how did it felt when you fired a gun for the first time how much different it was compared to firing it during war for the first time?
    7) Do you remember when and why you fired your weapon for the first time in war?

    these may sound really weird but i always wanted to ask a soldier these types of questions!
     
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  2. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    To be honest? I will tell you when I find out how....

    There are no ending in this, to this day 10 years after I was in Afghanistan, I still have dream about the things that I did, the things that I think I do and the things that I did not do.

    I remember someone said "If you run over and killed a dog or a cat, would you ever be able forget that? What about killing a person in an automobile accident?" You won't ever forget what you have done, or not thinking about it. It's a part of your memory, this is something you can never shake it off.

    And it come out and remind you time and again about what you had done, one minute you are walking along the Breakfast Cereal counter in your local supermarket, the next minute, you are back in Afghanistan, I am not joking, I once tackle a child to the ground in a local Costco because he was charging at me holding a box of Kellogg's Cereal. Just because it suddenly appear to me that child looks like a suicide bomber because the way he is holding the box.

    It did, however, got a bit easy over time, you learn to accept that and you move on, it may give you 5 minutes of cold chill, but you realise it's over when you wake up.

    But as to how you can prevent it looping on the back of your mind? You are the first one I will tell when I figure it out myself.


    We can talk about that here.

    Well, I guess it best said is to balance the feeling between feeling back at home and making you homesick. You still need to understand and remember that you are over there fighting a war, if you make your battlefield feel like at home, you will start and wonder why are you here.

    However, you still can't be too foreign, because you will again, thinking why the hell are you in this god forsaken hellhole.

    The right balance is just enough, just enough for your people to wind down, and just enough for them not to miss it too much when they are out doing patrol or setting up COP.

    It's hard, but without this balance, people will get crazy, you can't just bring a man out of a world when the biggest decision they make is to go to MacDonald or Hungry Jack for lunch? Or which DVD I am going to rent/buy, to a place when you are making decision that would probably your life is depend upon.


    Well, there are one guy who bring a giant size (I think about 3 ft tall) winnie-the-pooh flush doll, in the end, it ended up on the bonnet of one of our Humvee as a mascot, that bear has been shot at, run over and drag around until the colonel come down and ask us to remove it....

    Then there are this guy who have bring about 20 homemade apple pecan pies that his mom made him, it did not last a month.

    There are all sort of crazy stuff people would bring for comfort, pillows, blankets, books, clothes (you are allow to wear them in your quarter only tho), firearms, even girlfriend's underwear.
    Thank You
     
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  3. Mr.Meap

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    Amazing thread @WAJsal I find these types of threads refreshing and informative. Keep up the great work.
    And thank you @jhungary for sharing this with us, it was an amazing insight.
     
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  4. Zee-shaun

    Zee-shaun SENIOR MEMBER

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    I enjoyed reading it.
    Thanks for sharing.
     
  5. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    sounded like you are about to join the military yourself :)

    Question is always cool, as long as it did not goes up in sensitive area (personal or professional), in fact, if you are really wanting to join the military, it's important for you to understand what soldier does and know what you are getting into before you make your decision.

    1.) You cannot choose which weapon you want, you can choose your MOS and your position within the squad. But that position will dictate what weapon you will use. Each weapon you use you would have to qualified for it before hand, you need to attend a short course to qualify for the weapon you use.

    There are 5 Position in a squad of 11 soldier. Squad Leader, Support Gunner, Rifleman (Fire Team Leader), Rifleman/Marksman and Grenadier.

    For Squad Leader/Fire Team Leader, your standard weapon is a M4, you can put a M203 and double as a Grenadier if you can find one or requisition for one. But normally, we just don't bother (Although I did have a M203 attached to my M4 when I was in Iraq).

    For Support Gunner, your standard weapon is M249 SAW, you also go to battle with 200-300 rounds of extra ammo.

    For Rifleman/Marksman, your main choice of weapon is M4, however, soldier who qualified for SDM (Squad Designated Marksman) can carry a SR-25 with a 14x50 Scope on top of the M4. Rifleman would be the only person that have optic support in my days, now everyone gets a ACOG.

    For Grenadier, your main weapon is M4 with attached M203, which you will have 10 HE round and 4 Smoke round to goes with.

    Sometime soldier within a squad will cross train with each other weapon, unless they do it officially (not just play with your team mate weapon) you are basically not allow to touch weapon that you are not qualified.

    In a Platoon, when we have 3 squads, plus a HQ section, the weapon you use are the same with the execption of Heavy Weapon Squad, when a Platoon MG Gunner will use a M240Bravo instead of a M249, and you can sometime have a sniper team attached to your HQ section, which they will use M24SWS, otherwise Platoon Leader uses the same load out than the Squad Leader and Fire team Leader, Medic and Radioman uses reduced loading of a Rifleman Load out.

    Today, almost all the weapon comes with full accessories (PEG-2, ACOG, Handgrip) but in my time, those stuff are allotted, you can trade within each other or you can apply for stuff that you think you need but you don't have.

    Sidearm on the other hand, is quite relax, the standard sidearm is M9. But basically with CO approval, you can use whatever you want. Bullet is a bit tricky tho, but since you don't have more than 2 or 3 clips anyway, if you decided to go off rail, you will find a way to find bullet somehow.

    2.) For all the weapon I fired, I love the .50 cal machinegun, but my favourite is always going to be my own M4.

    3.) Not a sanctioned act, but you are allow to do something like that in an emergency, but you are not allow to use captured weapon. If you captured enemy weapon (like AK, or RPG) you need to give them to the Quartermaster and they decide what to do with it. Some people do keep captured weapon tho as I know of, but if you are doing it, those are illegal weapon.

    People think why this is important? Well, soldier train to react to fire, you were trained to react to anything other than your own weapon (AK and M4 have a different sound, so does M249 and even 240 Bravo) You train to face incoming fire by listen to where the AK round is coming in, if someone in your team shooting AK behind you, that a good recipe for Blue on Blue.

    4.) There are a few firefight I have been in, mostly in Iraq, but some are in Afghanistan (I was working intelligence in Afghanistan, mostly confined to a room) I remembered one time I was in Iraq, we are driving along Highway 1 toward Baghdad, my Humvee is the lead element in our group and we are riding with 2 Bradley from another platoon, a semi-trailer was park across the road and block the whole road in a perfect ambush position, since we are not allow to stop on the side (because there may be UXO and was not cleared by the engineer) We stopped on both side of the road and got out and let the Bradley through, at this stage, the Iraqi open fire on us as I was about to get out and direct the Bradley. I want the Bradley to put a few 25 mike on the semitrailer and blow it up and push it thru and we in the Humvee follow.

    Once I open the door, bullet just fly over, you know when they are shooting at you as bullet pass next to your head have a ringing to it, and you know when dust keep kicking up around you, means those bullet misses up and shoot up everything behind you. They are setting up on either side of the road, and behind the Trailer in a perfect V shape ambush.

    So, I close the door, and fire my M4 thru the window, half looking and half listening in the ICOM, they teach you to scan the threat and open fire wisely, but I can tell you that, it does not happen this way in a real firefight, bullet goes everywhere, yours', theirs', you hear something or you glance something out of your eyes, and you point your rifle in that direction and pull the trigger.

    So, we are in a Humvee, there are 4 of us and we all shooting outside the window, the guy in the back passenger seat on the passenger side is shooting with his sidearm because his rifle was stuck between the seat. Then I realise something is missing. I did not hear the Machine Gun on top of our Humvee firing, so I look back and keep yelling "Get the 50, Get the 50"

    Just as I look back outside my window, I fire a round before I actually looking at the target, the round bounce back inside the Humvee, then I saw my whole window was blocked, that's because the Bradley have rolled up against my door. The guy behind the driver say "Fuxk" and he was almost hit by round I fired. So he look at me a bit, got up and stand in the portal, and he started open fire on the 50 cal, first a few shot, and then a long burst.

    Then I pad the shoulder of my driver and tell him to get out of the vehicle so we can clear the check point. I jump over the gear box and got off from his door, both of us dash for 10 meters, and go behind the back of the semi-trailer. Just as this time the stupid Bradley open up on it and smashing the glass and pepping the cab around us, we run back as quickly as we can and I go back to my second Humvee and tell the soldier inside to come out and clear the roadblock.

    And then we move behind the 2 Bradley, and we pin down the enemy so the Bradley can shoot us a path. After they destroy the cab enough, the 2 Bradley ram the Semi-trailer and we just use this time to mount up and follow the Bradley and get the hell out of there.

    Once we clear, we call for gunship support and they deal with whoever left at that roadblock.

    And is one of the more comfortable story I can tell you. Because the next time I hear about an ambush at that site, the insurgent start using kids and RPG instead of Pickup trucks and semi-trailer..

    5.) My Primary Weapon is a M4 with a 40 mm M203 grenade launcher, and my side arms is a M9 with 15 rounds mag. M4 have a shorter range than the AK and SKS the insurgent is using, the problem is then we most likely have to move into position before we can hit them. But on the other hand, AK lacking accuracy beyond 150 yards, so you are relative safe moving this close to a person firing a AK.

    Closer to it, it come down to luck and skill. But then we can compensate with Marksman rifle, they can pin down people with AK further out up to 300 yards.

    In all, our weapon is good for mauver warfare, theirs are good for close up contact. So if they ambush us, they will need to get close, but if we ambush them, we can do it further out.

    6.) Shooting a Steel plate target in training and shooting a person in war is different.

    When you shoot at a steel target, it was easy, you have plenty of time to aim for your shot and fire. You don't have anything urge you to do it, nor any distraction.

    In War, the noise level is TREMENDOUS. First of all, your target shoot back, so you have to constantly look at your target and duck to take cover, on top of that, you have other people shooting, you can put an aimed shot but ruin it because someone is pumping round behind you with theirs, and finally the adrenaline means it's like you are firing your weapon when you are high. just that you can still control your action.

    When you are in war, all you want is firing your weapon and get this over with.

    7.) The first time I fire a weapon in war is a warning shot. We were in a convoy going into Baghdad and somebody got extremely close (like within 10 yards of us) and I have to stand up on the gun port and fire my rifle around his car so he have to stop.

    Hope that help you in your question :)
     
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  6. Levina

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    Forgot to ask you @jhungary , how do you guys fortify your FOBs in such places?


    That also brings me to one more question, a British soldier once said "American army has a great unit cohesion and a sense of purpose and loyalty to each other that was hard to beat".
    What do you think separates your army from the rest?

    Lol
    Thats weird.
    The camp leatherneck incident is pretty famous.
    Is it really true that a lot of Xbox consoles for marines and soldiers were ordered by a General in Helmand,Afghanistan?


    Reflex action?

    :tup: :tup: :tup:

    Gary your permission isnt enough. @The Eagle keeps warning me to stick to the topic all the time. I will discuss "KARGIL diaries" only if i get tagged in a thread related to it. Lol
    I'm not taking any risk this time.

    I concur.
    I really wonder what goes through a soldier's mind when he gets to such FOBs?
    I remember reading one such incident penned down by an American soldier who had a crush on a Kurdish female contractor, who was kidnapped by Al-Qaeeda, and tortured in the basement of a mosque. He and his team later found her remains there. He felt guilty deep down because prolly the woman was tortured for she knew him and worked in close contact with his team.
    I seriously can not imagine a "normal" man penning down such personal accounts. A soldier? May be.

    Ahem!
     
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    Keeps warning :angel: that I don't think as such happened even in last 7 days. :mad:

    However, a soldier's life is related to interview that being shared though Kargil is totally different subject.
     
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    I just fainted!!!


    There you go @jhungary !
    Eagle just confirmed it in a very subtle manner that I don't have the permission to discuss Kargil diaries here. Lolz
     
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    For courtesy, I wouldn't discuss in open thread nor is practice to disclose to others as such. That was on lighter note, though. Kindly edit the post. :-)

    Thanks.
     
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  10. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    Thank You

    Thank You
     
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  11. The Sandman

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    At one point i wanted to but well....
    Well that thing is a beast! so who's not gonna love it!
    Thank you so much for answering all the questions! PDF is a really lucky place to have members like you Niaz and so many others!! :)

    Yep it did
    @Hell hound @django @Arsalan you guys maybe will love to read this post!
     
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    Thanks for the tag @The Sandman and great interview @jhungary really learned a lot from it.:enjoy:
     
  13. jhungary

    jhungary MILITARY PROFESSIONAL

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    You mean FOB or COP? FOB is a quite established base, where most defence system/measure are permanent. They can be pick up and removed but their defensive structure is quite extensive with blast wall, reinforced concrete bunker, steel door couple with watch tower and such.

    COP on the other hand is very primitive, they build around natural defence, there maybe huts, houses or barn in between. Defence is makeshift, you uses rocks, sandbag, or cargo container to build a defence of a COP.

    I would say we are there to get by, what separate us and the other I guess is the devotion we have to one and other, we trained together, deployed together and we see each other as the brother (or sister) we never met, and they are closer than the actual brother and sister you had. And we fought for each other. Pretty sure this happened to all in the same profession. It's like the St Crispian's Speech in Henry V

    And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
    From this day to the ending of the world,
    But we in it shall be rememberèd-
    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,

    Maybe because we serve longer together, as we spend a whole year instead if 6 months in battle with each other.
    But still, I would say this happens to every soldier across the field.



    what is the camp leatherneck incident??

    I think he had that when he was a kid, I am not sure, but just that we stole it from him and put him up on a Humvee. It needed a good wash after our deployment.

    Yes, each base have rec rooms which filled with everything you want, to relax, from gym equipment, TV/DVD, to Xbox, PS2/3/4 and Gamecube (Which is very popular in my days)

    Mostly you can play PG/M games with it, they won't sell anything in the PX that deem inappropriate to soldier deployed overseas (Grand Theft Auto is one of them) Mostly you will play either FPS game (Halo, Call of Duty) or RPG (Final Fantasy, Legend of Zelda) or Adventure Game (Mario Brother and so on) and Racing game.

    Also, officer within a company will rotate to the job of "Morale Officer" usually there ate 6-8 officers in a company, and what Morale Officer do is to organise some sort of leisure activities to either build cohesion or raise morale. When I was in charge of this, I usually just organise some Sporting event and Poker Night. Some will organise game night or movie marathon, but that's up to individual officer


    Flashback. It just looks like he is holding a bomb, and it trigger past memory and it fused between the two, that that point, I was living at the present and the past. And that is just a reflex I tackle him, well, at least this is what the psychiatrist said. I don't really know what happened, I just know one minute I was shopping in the breakfast cereal aisle, next minute I was on the floor pushing my feet up against the child chest and 2 guys try to restrain me.

    :ok:

    Have no idea what that [Kargil Diaries] is, and if you want to talk about it in private, you know my e-mail address. :)


    There are a long and a short for it, short version is, shit happens everyday, and if you have to document it all, whether or not you think if that's civilize by your standard, that does not stop it from happening all over again.

    The long version is that we don't live by their standard. Even Muslim from other region have their eyes open wide by the practices to these people. I have a guy who was an Indonesian Muslim migrate to the State and deployed in my unit. Most of the time he understand why people do what they do but some time, some practices would still be bothering him.

    The problem is, we live in one world, they lived in another. When we were over there, it is important to remember that we are there to fight a war, not to get into someone else's life, or even not to understand how their life works, we need to be separate because in a normal circumstance, we should not be there.

    Your job is to, well, do your job, whatever you been told to do in Iraq or Afghanistan, that may involve helping local but at no time should any of the soldier be involve in local's daily life. When you do, you brought yourself, your unit and the local in danger. Because their livelihood is probably different, sometime conflicting to ours, if we care about it too much and try to change things for them to be more inline with us, things will go sideway because it may not be acceptable to the local standard.

    In your case, that soldier have violate this golden rules by having an interaction with this Kurdish female, it ended up hurting her, and I know it is bad saying this, but it happen quite often over there.

    ........Well, people did believe in all kind of crazy stuff. I am just telling it like it is :)

    No problem.

    Wish you luck on the military front :)

    Thank you

    Thank You
     
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    Fair enough, there's not really that much to do here in Canberra. I'm doing undergrad, looking at security/conflict resolution/state building/languages etc. It's a nice change from army life.
     
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    Hey @jhungary did you ever get to fire a ma deuce at some baddies. Few things sort things out like a repeated stream of .50 BMG :P

    An excellent read as usual btw. It was fun sharing our HK memories in the other thread too.

    BTW regarding your spoken Chinese, is it Mandarin or Cantonese?
     
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