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MEGA Corruption in China's PLA!

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  1. Death Rattle

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    If railways are this corrupt, what about PLA?
    By Trefor Moss
    October 19, 2012


    Picture a vast Chinese state institution with around two million staff, comprising a baffling array of units and sub-departments all scattered across the country. Under the guise of a sweeping, rapid modernization plan this institution’s budget expands so quickly – to around $100 billion a year – that it is hard for anyone to keep track of how much is really being spent, or on what. All the while, the institution’s sprawling nature and its near-autonomy mean that it operates almost entirely without accountability or oversight: There is only the money, and the many pockets into which it disappears.

    We are of course talking about China’s Ministry of Railways. But we might as well be talking about the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The only difference is that the former is building a high-speed rail network, while the latter is building a high-performance military. Neither, perhaps, is doing a very good job of it.:agree::agree:

    If you haven’t read Evan Osnos’s lurid account of the rampant corruption within the Railways Ministry in the New Yorker, then you’re missing out. What is really striking for a PLA watcher, however, is how easily the military could be substituted for the railways ministry throughout Osnos’s portrayal. He describes the ministry as a “state-within-a-state” that was effectively given a blank check by the central government, and which, with nothing to curb its behavior, misappropriated a mind-boggling amount of its allocation. But if anything, the PLA is even more autonomous than the Ministry of Railways, in which senior staff routinely skimmed off millions of dollars in kickbacks even as they did a lousy job of building their new rail network.

    Is corruption within the PLA as corrosive as it was within Liu Zhijun’s shaky railway empire? The first thing to note is that the headline budget of the PLA and the Ministry of Railways is very similar. This week the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) published its estimate of what China and other Asian countries spend on their militaries. In 2011 China spent somewhere between around $90 billion and $142 billion, the CSIS report calculates, and concludes the money was split fairly equally between personnel costs (34% of the total), operations and maintenance (33.7%), and defense investment (32.2%) in 2009, the latest year they did a breakdown of.

    This breakdown suggests that 100% of the PLA’s budget was diverted towards real requirements. But the parable of the railways strongly suggests that this cannot be right. How much of the PLA’s budget has been spent on retirement homes for generals in Florida, or funneled into private business ventures, or used to buy promotions? How much has been wasted on bogus capabilities that the military doesn’t really need, but whose purchase helped to line influential pockets? And how much has been spent on genuine capabilities, but capabilities whose price tag was hugely inflated so that highly-placed officials could skim off the surplus?

    We can only guess how much of the PLA’s budget has been squandered; but what we do know is that the organization has a serious corruption problem. The situation has become so severe, as disclosed by John Garnaut in April, that one of the PLA’s top generals, Liu Yuan, openly warned his colleagues at the General Logistics Department that the Chinese military was facing a life-and-death struggle against corruption. In fact, the PLA faces nothing short of destruction unless it puts an end to the corrupt culture that has become embedded within the PLA system, Liu was reported as saying.

    The top people at the Ministry of Railways wanted to get rich, while seeming to produce fast results. In the end, they were caught: Their high-speed trains did not work when really put to the test, and 40 people died as a result. China’s new military system remains largely untested. But if billions have been stolen by generals and contractors, instead of spent perfecting complex systems and operating procedures, then China’s military could in effect be a high-speed accident waiting to happen.

    As for those budget estimates, the Pentagon and others who assume that China spends a lot more on defense than it claims should maybe think again. Adjusted for wastage and corruption, actual PLA spending could be much lower than anyone realizes.

    $100 Billion For China's Railroads - Flashpoints
     
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    very very shamefull :tdown:
     
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    Its a socialist country. Every socialist country is corrupt. The fact that China is one of those countries with institutionalized corruption has been well known for quite some time. Check the corruption perception indices. India ranks 95, China ranks 20 places above at 75. So its not as bad as it is in India. Although, a surprising find is that Italy ranks at 69 and Greece ranks at 80!! They are supposed to be developed nations.
     
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    Well , only time will tell how such events manifest.


    not even surprising,if true.

    In an oligarchy this is almost expected to happen every time ,its a no brainier , u can have good leaders for a number of terms but incompetence does seep in occasionally and when it does ,such an environment provides fertile grounds.

    Not to mention such closed opaque environments are also easily exploited by foreign elements.
    Didn't i hear Chinese diplomats taking fake degrees to rise tht ranks.its a no brainer.:frown:


    apparently India ranks the least corrupt in the BRIC countries as of 2012.
     
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    ok, there are corruption in railway system, but it can not change anything. corrupt officials were arrest and high-speed railway was constructed. anything else can we ask for? we just need keep going to find out the corrupt official. PLA are same.
     
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    Corruption is everywhere.

    The only way to get rid from corruption is making this process legal and 'bribe' should considered as 'income'.
     
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    Only in india!
     
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    No country can get rid of corruption, the problem is how to control it. I think corruption of IA is no
    Better than PLA. For expample, you render Russian scot free for delay penalty clause in the contract. The money goes to whose pocket?
     
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    They first delude themselves that China's high speed trains don't work and then delude themselves that China's weapons don't work. :lol:

    Let the third world country continue to delude themselves while sitting on top of trains by the hundreds.
     
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    Could people stop posting "articles" from The Diplomat? It's not a news site.
     
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    You know what I always wondered. Why don't we ever get story about the bloated over budget projects in America? From the news, American know more about China than America. How is that possible? How does a white guy in China ever get inside to know any of the stuff that he is speculating? If the Chinese don't know it and they live in China. How the hell does a white guy who born on the other side of the world know so much? No wonder why I see so many American who live in the middle know where teach Chinese about how corrupt and horrible Chinese society is.

    American people are so deluded that they think they know everything about China simply because some white guy who sit around all day write an article to satisfy is anti-Chinese article quota of the day. Isn't it odd that so many American think Chinese don't know about their own society because the government censors. Yeah, so the Chinese government censor information so the Chinese know nothing, but an white guy magically knows it. If it is censored then by definition it didn't make public, if that is the case, how the hell does the American media know stuff that they claim the Chinese don't even know. Does this logic make sense to any one?

    For people to really know anything about a country, they need to talk to Chinese people and go there. Otherwise, they're just brainwashed idiot who rather listen to someone than form their own opinion based on their experience.
     
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    LOL..3 out of millions. I can post article about American soldier and veteran going on a killing spree too and claims that American army is crumbling internally. India army doesn't even have enough toilet to **** in.
     
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    This is how Indians are massaging their bruised ego on the 50th anniversary of 1962.
     
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    bad news, for it destroys the China threat theory