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Maritime war between France and Italy in Egypt!

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  1. The SC

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    The French Naval Group hopes to sign an additional Fremm frigate contract or 2 Gowind Corvette during Macron's visit to Egypt from January 27 to 29.

    Italy's Fincantieri competed strongly with the French company with the Bergamini frigate and 2 Corvette of the same category which were sold to Qatar for 800 million euros per piece (not including the price of armaments).

    Italy offers a loan to Egypt covering the entire purchase process with a refund guarantee and an optional moratorium.


    https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...fB9QjF12oxHL1ll3jAHqftLET7iZzjZuLQt7HG8RbJins
     
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    Fremm frigate
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    Bergamini frigate
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    Gulfies and ther allies milked out by west, what kind stupid people buy like that? The same will be fore the rest of the crew, and downgraded version like we saw before. No EW and ESM for like the before deal, oooo they can put another system from other countries:(.


    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/egypt-to-receive-fremm-frigate-on-23-june.381674/
     
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    If you look for more info, you will find how these countries are milked out. First off all a down graded version with out doubt, according to navalanalyse these frigat have a 16 cell vls, the france version have 32:-). Even the number of the missile down graded ahaha, and what did they cash for?

    The VLS behind of the main naval mount consists of 32 cells in total (only on French vessels) and particularly 16 cells of Sylver A43 VLS for MBDA Aster 15 anti-aircraft/missile missiles for local and area defence (medium range) and 16 cells of Sylver A70 VLS for SCALP Naval cruise missiles (see the video for Sylver VLS).
    http://www.navalanalyses.com/2014/07/aquitaine-class-fremm-frigates-of.html


    Our 50 years old Gabya Class are better equiped, even our Yavuz Class have more missile, 32 and the 64 essm missile version. Ask the Italians for more equipment, if they rejects go to Russia. Not good go to China:china:. I have zero pity...
     
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    Gulf countries are going for indigenous ship production, look at ADSB which built Baynunnah class. Ships built yourself with good systems means no downgrading for exports.
     
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    Technical characteristics of the FREMMs
    Equipped with high-tech sensors and weapons, integrated with the SETIS® combat system developed by DCNS, the frigate can counter all types of threats, whether air, surface, submarine or land-based. The heavily armed FREMM is equipped with the most effective weapons systems and equipment, such as the Herakles multifunction radar, the Aster and Exocet MM 40 missiles, or the MU 90 torpedoes. It is innovative and offers unequalled levels of interoperability and availability.
    • Overall length: 142 meters
    • Width: 20 meters
    • Displacement: 6,000 tonnes
    • Max. speed: 27 knots
    • Operation: 108 persons (helicopter detachment included)
    • Accommodation capacity: 145 men and women
    • Cruising range: 6,000 nautical miles at 15 knots

    Common equipment

    • Leonardo OTO Melara 76/62 mm (compact for FR-ASW / Super Rapid gun with Davide/Strales guided-ammunition for IT-ASW)
    • 2 x torpedo launchers Eurotorp/WASS B515/3 for MU 90 torpedoes with Calzoni AHS (Automatic Handling System)
    • 1 x Leonardo NA-25 DARDO-F fire control system for the 76mm cannon
    • 2 x SLAT (Systeme de Lutte Anti-Torpille) anti-torpedo system (into Italian Navy only for ASW version) ASW DLS (Anti Submarine Weapon Decoy Launcher System) based on Thales ALERT sonar system, DCNS RATO command system and WASS CMAT weapon system (with 12 tube launcher for 127 mm's WASS C-310 decoy and jammers)
    • NH90 helicopter, with capability for AW101, Cougar and Caracal
    • Thales UMS 4110 CL hull sonar
    • Thales UMS 4249 CAPTAS4 towed sonar (anti-submarine versions only)
    • Thales TUUM-6 Underwater Telephone
    • 2 x Sigen MM/SMQ-765 EW system: with JASS (Jamming Antenna Sub System) ECM, Nettuno 4100, by ELT Elettronica and Thales ESM (Communications and Radar ESM)
    • 2 x SOFRESUD Quick Pointing Devices "QPD"


    French-specific equipment


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    French version of the FREMM
    The last two ASW variants have been fitted with 16 cells MBDA A50 VLS for MBDA Aster 30 to be used if deemed necessary.
    • 16 cells MBDA SYLVER A70 VLS for MBDA SCALP Naval cruise missile with a range up to 1000 km or Aster 30 anti air missile.
    • MBDA MM-40 Exocet block 3, for naval and land attack
    • 3 x Nexter 20mm Narwhal remote weapon systems
    • NGDS decoy launcher
    • Héraklès radar
    • Terma Scanter 2001 radar[46]
    • Thales Artemis IRST
    • SETIS combat system
    • Sagem Najir fire control system for the 76mm gun
    • Samahé helicopter handling system


    Italian-specific equipment


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    Italian ASW FREMM Carabiniere
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    Italian ASW FREMM Virginio Fasan
    • 16 cells MBDA Sylver Vertical Launching System A50 VLS for MBDA Aster 15 missiles and MBDA Aster 30 missiles
    • Space reserved for MBDA SYLVER A70 launchers for 16 MBDA SCALP Naval or similar cruise missile, but not fitted
    • Leonardo IRST SASS
    • another one Leonardo NA-25 DARDO-F fire control system for the second cannon (76/62 mm or 127/54 mm)
    • Leonardo Kronos Grand Naval (MFRA) AESA, 3D, C band radar
    • Leonardo RASS (RAN-30X-I) surface radar (OTH)
    • Leonardo SPS-732, 2D LPI Surveillance X band Radar (surface and air surveillance at low level); since the 7th FREMM-IT replaced by more powerful Leonardo SPS-732(V2)
    • Leonardo SPN-730 LPI navigation radar and two navigation radar GEM-Elettronica MM/SPN-753
    • Leonardo SPN-720 radar for helicopter precision approach
    • Leonardo IFF SIR M-E; since the 7th FREMM-IT replaced with Leonardo IFF SIR M5-PA with phased array antenna
    • Leonardo Athena combat system (CMS), with 21, three displays, MFC (Multi Functional Consolle): 17 into COC, 2 in backup COC, 1 on bridge and 1 into Command Planning Room
    • Leonardo SAAM-ESD extended area AAW combat system (for Aster 15 & Aster 30 missiles)
    • 2 x Leonardo (OTO Melara) SCLAR-H DLS Multipurpose Rocket Launcher
    • 8 x MBDA Teseo\Otomat Mk-2/A block 4, for naval and land attack
    • 2 x (OTO Melara)/(Oerlikon) KBA 25/80 mm, remote weapon system, controlled by close CMS
    • Curtiss-Wright TC-ASIST helicopter handling system (for both helicopters)
    • Leonardo (WASS) SNA-2000-I, Mine Avoidance Sonar
    • L-3 ELAC Nautik SeaBeam 3050, Multi-beam echo sounder (only on ASW version)
    • 1 x 7 m rigid-hulled inflatable boat release and recovery lateral systems (Stemar 6,8 m, FNM HPEP 225 HP engine, 38 knots, 6 crew [47])
    • 1 x 11 m rigid-hulled inflatable boat release and recovery lateral systems
    • 1 x 11 m rigid-hulled inflatable boat fast, stern release and recovery system[48] (only on GP version, for CABI Cattaneo CABAT boat)
    • ASW version: 2 x Leonardo OTO Melara 76/62 mm Davide/Strales CIWS guns, one on the hangar (both with Strales guided-ammunitions) and 4 MBDA MILAS ASW missile
    • GP version: 1 x Leonardo OTO Melara 127/64 mm gun with Vulcano guided ammunition, with a range up to 120 km, and AAHS (Automated Ammunition Handling System) with 350 rounds + 56 in turret and a second Leonardo (OTO Melara) 76/62 mm Davide/Strales CIWS gun on the hangar (with Strales guided-ammunitions)
    • 2 x acoustic guns / LRAD SITEP MASS CS-424: since year 2017, on update works

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FREMM_multipurpose_frigate

    Post # 17 in that thread is exactly what is happening..
    What kind of stupid people _mainly jealous_ will talk like that without any factual evidence?
     
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    Good, but what are you putting on that ships?


    Post 17 is nothing specials, egypt want to use aster missile. 16 aster missile is nothing, wtf are you going to do when they send you 20 missile?
     
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    UAE used Rim-162 on their baynunah which is nothing to laugh at. Altitudes of 60000 feet and range of 50 km traveling at mach 4 and 21 RAM missiles.
    Saab's Sea GIRAFFE AMB is the naval variant of their Giraffe radar with 3D AMB technology. It can detect air and surface targets from the horizon up to a height of 20,000 metres (66,000 ft) at elevations up to 70°, and can simultaneously handle multiple threats approaching from different directions and altitudes, including diving anti-ship missiles. Also, it is specialized for rapidly detecting small, fast moving targets at all altitudes and small surface targets in severe clutter. Sea Giraffe AMB is installed on the Republic of Singapore Navy's upgraded Victory-class corvette and US Navy's Independence class of Littoral Combat Ships, and has the designation AN/SPS 77 V(1) for LCS 2 and 4, and AN/SPS 77 V(2) for LCS 6 and higher.[4]The radar has an instrumented range of 180 kilometres.[5] Its roles include:

    • Air surveillance and tracking
    • Surface surveillance and tracking
    • Target identification for weapon systems
    • High-resolution splash spotting The armament and radar are very good for an 1000 ton ship and Lau a good foundation for future ship building projects.
     
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    The UAE is buying 4 Gowind corvettes..2 to be built in France and 2 in the UAE..
    KSA is buying 5 of the same ships 4 to be made in France and 1 in KSA..
    (on top of the Spanish corvette with 60% TOT)

    So now we have Egypt, the UAE and KSA with the know-how to build stealth corvettes..5 to 6 years from now it will be Frigates with some ToT already coming with the US MMSC tailor made for KSA, as well as TOT from German, Italian and French Frigates coming to the Middle East..
     
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    Egypt should ditch them both and go indegenous with turkish help.
     
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    Egypt and Turkey are on a low level of diplomacy..we can call it cold diplomacy..It would have been nice if it was not for politics and now Gas.. But the German and French or Italian Frigates are the best of their categories..so it is a good move..
     
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    Germany and italians are yet foreign people while turks are our own people.
     
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    True, but Turks are not that friendly with Egypt..It is a deep political divide..they support the Muslim brotherhood which is categorized as a terrorist organization in Egypt.. So Frankly Egypt has no choice but to seek German, French and now the Italian offer with some ToT..which makes these deals not bad at all..
     
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    O well united we stand divided we fall. I guess turks and égyptians / muslims are ready to fall.

    No one is united anymore . while christians seem united.
     
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    They are united based on common interests, not religion..You need affinity in politics to be united..