Come on brother, I have read your contributions here, I know you are better then this flippant reply, that avoids a concentrated discussion. I recognise my statement was very direct and raw, so I can understand the emotional reply.
I already apologised in my original statement and shall do it again, I am sorry, but sorry does not eliminate the facts of what I said. Unless and until you recognise the right arguments and build on those arguments you shall continue to suffer. You will suffer still, but at least you'll be fight the right fight. Indian Muslims have been oppressed for decades, you've only just decided to awaken yourself, but the next step has to be to build relevant arguments within the framework of an Indian identity, not one that is defined by the majority but your own arguments, based on honest and correct interpretations. What those interpretations are I do not know, I do not claim a higher ground, but from proper discussions, you reach proper conclusions. My point was those discussions are not happening among Muslims, not by a mile.
I love the Jewish people, lets not confuse Jewish people and Israel, that is an another discussion. But I love the Jewish people, they have suffered so much for centuries, but look at them, they argue and discuss into their graves, that is what creates strength, by willing to have open, honest and right discussions. Not by crying constitution and secularism until you lose you voice, already knowing those two war cry's have delivered nothing. It is time for a fresh debate among Muslims, till they do not do that, they shall have to accept part of the responsibility for their predicament.
I recognise it is a harsh judgement, but some things need to be said. I hope you recognise that only those who consider you as their own have the courage to be honest.
Fair enough - your thoughts are welcome.
Everyone has their thoughts on what Indian Muslims should do and what they should not do. The reality is that they should do anything and everything - there is never going to be one silver bullet that will solve all their problems.
What many people do not realize, especially those living in the west, where fairness and equality is well engrained within the psyche, that their advice will work well within their societies. We are dealing with a culture that thrives on discrimination and goes to any length to defend it. Look at the responses of people from this society on this thread. Did anyone even condemn it? No, they were happily defending it. They did not find anything wrong and are delighted with this behavior. This is a culture that takes pride in discriminating against the lower castes for 5000 years, and will do anything to continue this behavior for another 5000 years.
So while your advice may work within the British society you live in, you would have to live and experience Indian society before forming an opinion on what may work and what may not. Do you think that Indian Muslims have not taken pains to explain their "Indianness"? Heck, they even bad-mouthed Pakistan thinking that this may placate the murderous mobs. It never did and never does. Fascist societies are never placated.
Over the past 70 years, Indian Muslims were told:
- if you stop supporting Pakistan, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop speaking Urdu, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you get better educated, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop playing the azaan, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop eating beef, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop wearing a burqa or hijab, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop wearing a beard, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop wearing kurta pyjama, the Hindus will not hate you
- if you stop eating any meat, the Hindus will not hate you
Tell me - how has that worked out for Indian Muslims?
@SIPRA - responded as you requested.