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‘Manmohan sabotaged India’s Nuclear capability’

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    The then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh followed an unwritten policy of severely downsizing both the Fast Breeder Reactor (FBT) as well as the thorium-based technology programme, thereby making India dependent on foreign countries for advanced nuclear technology, key scientists claim on the condition of anonymity. The scientists say that by 2003, the Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) — which comes directly under the Prime Minister — was within four years of mastering the 1 Gigawatt nuclear power plant technology now being supplied by China to Pakistan.

    However, "from 2005 onwards, the PM turned his attention towards signing a nuclear deal, which would make India one of the top three global markets for nuclear power companies in the US and Europe rather than a competitor of companies based in these locations" in the lucrative nuclear power technology market. At the same time, "no serious effort was made to clear the legal and other obstacles to mining extra quantities of uranium in Andhra Pradesh and the Northeast".

    Instead, the (foreign-funded) NGOs behind the agitation against uranium mining "were given privileged access, including in the Ministry of Environment". According to them, "The attention given to the Fast Breeder Reactor and Thorium programmes were reduced still further by 2008, when discussions began with international companies about supply of reactors to India". If this had not been done, scientists say that by 2013 at the latest, India may have been able to develop the technology for 1 Gigawatt reactors, thereby creating an export market with a potential for sales of $4 billion initially. This advantage was handed over to China "because of the lack of interest and attention given by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to indigenous nuclear technology". Incidentally, scientists warn that China is now on the cusp of mastering the technology of 2 Gigawatt reactors, while India is now forced to rely on overseas suppliers for 1 Gigawatt (or 1,000 Megawatt) nuclear power plants.

    Now that Narendra Modi is Prime Minister, the scientists are hopeful of a return to the level of interest shown by Indira Gandhi towards the indigenous nuclear programme, in place of Manmohan Singh's policy of relying instead on foreign technology and manufacturers for developing such energy sources. A scientist claimed that in case the Indian private sector too partners the DAE, within the next five years, "India can become one of the top three nuclear power plant exporters globally and the top destination for space launches". He and his colleagues repeated that the Manmohan Singh government's "lack of interest in developing Indian resources and technology was clear from each of the small number of interactions which the PM had with the scientific establishment". Rather than "Make in India", the watchword was "Export to India".

    Alarmingly, the scientists warned that rare earths as well as thorium deposits were being exported out of the country to unknown destinations, and named a clutch of Tamil Nadu-based companies as being the worst offenders. In one such instance, in 2007, a case got registered by the DAE against V.V. Minerals for quarrying and exporting sands rich in precious minerals from Tirunelveli. The company, together with Indian Port Terminals, Kilburn Chemicals and Transworld Garnet (all based in Tamil Nadu), has also been accused of exporting restricted minerals in the guise of sand mining in Tuticorin, Tirunelveli and Kanyakumari. Although reports of such mining multiplied, "the central authorities took no cognizance". Finally, on 6 August 2013, the collector of Thoothukui district warned in writing that certain companies had illegally quarried as much as 239,712 MT of precious minerals from beaches in the state, only to get transferred for his pains. As a consequence, precious minerals such as garnet, rutile, ilmenite and monazite (which contains thorium) continue to get exported as ordinary sand, without any effort by the authorities to prevent such a denuding of India's indigenous stock of rare earths and precious minerals.

    A scientist pointed out that in 2006, the Manmohan Singh government removed rare minerals such as rutile, zircon, garnet and ilmenite from the Atomic Minerals List, thereby giving the precious sand mafias operating in the country carte blanche to take away such minerals for export to unknown destinations. "This decision, which harmed the country's interests significantly, was carried out by the Department of Atomic Energy under pressure from the Prime Minister's Office", a scientist claimed. "Such a decision was in line with others degrading domestic capacities for the benefit of foreign entities", the scientist added.

    It may be mentioned that a single company, V.V. Minerals, controls over 15 kilometres of beach area in three districts of Tamil Nadu, while also having control (through lease deeds) of several thousand acres of land rich in precious minerals.

    Monazite is an important feedstock for thorium, cerium and lanthanum, and scientists say that the casual manner in which its (thinly disguised) export was treated by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh "has no parallel anywhere in the world". An intelligence analyst claimed that key executives of companies involved in illicit mining "frequented Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur, and met up with ISI officials there". He claimed that the Pakistan nuclear establishment is building up a stock of thorium for its own research, all of which comes from minerals illegally exported from India. He warned that "ports on both the coasts are riddled with officers acting under the influence of the ISI, which has spent decades cultivating such individuals". Scientists say that there has been a "Decade of Neglect" under Manmohan Singh of the Fast Breeder and Thorium programmes, despite the fact that "when Manmohan Singh took charge as PM in 2004, India was the world leader" in both technologies. The scientists say that the country can "change from a dumping ground for foreign equipment into an exporter of even 1 Gigawatt reactors", once Manmohan Singh's legacy of neglect of domestic capacities in favour of foreign imports gets reversed.

    ‘Manmohan sabotaged India’s Nuclear capability’
     
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    We Pakistan and India are both nuclear power now. No need to go to war again.
     
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    both she and her son have been taught a lesson they will not forget soon.


    there should be a cbi enquirry..
     
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    This is about civilian nuclear technology.
     
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    The article blaming MMS is a BS article because it sole aim is to protect Sonia/Rahul Gandhi. It was done only with Sonia's approval. In fact, MMS had to fight tooth and nail just to land the Nuclear deal.

    Another example of how Sonia has been running this country down to the ground.


    Monazite is an important feedstock for thorium, cerium and lanthanum, and scientists say that the casual manner in which its (thinly disguised) export was treated by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh "has no parallel anywhere in the world". An intelligence analyst claimed that key executives of companies involved in illicit mining "frequented Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur, and met up with ISI officials there". He claimed that the Pakistan nuclear establishment is building up a stock of thorium for its own research, all of which comes from minerals illegally exported from India. He warned that "ports on both the coasts are riddled with officers acting under the influence of the ISI, which has spent decades cultivating such individuals".




    Finally, on 6 August 2013, the collector of Thoothukui district warned in writing that certain companies had illegally quarried as much as 239,712 MT of precious minerals from beaches in the state, only to get transferred for his pains. As a consequence, precious minerals such as garnet, rutile, ilmenite and monazite (which contain
    s thorium) continue to get exported as ordinary sand, without any effort by the authorities to prevent such a denuding of India's indigenous stock of rare earths and precious minerals.

    It infuritates me whenever I read how good ppl are punished for exposing problems. Thi guy should be given awards and an apology. FIND OUT WHO HAD HIM TRANSFERRED.




    Incidentally, scientists warn that China is now on the cusp of mastering the technology of 2 Gigawatt reactors, while India is now forced to rely on overseas suppliers for 1 Gigawatt (or 1,000 Megawatt) nuclear power plants.

    CHina barely had this tech, and it looks like we blew it again. What I want to bringto attention is how fast China came up to speed. One, china has been able to hack all our systems. Im pretty sure as we speak China is sucking up our data easily. Two, China wants something, China gets something. They will invest not just money but many scientists to get the job down and the project will go on 24-7! Three shifts will run continously everyday.
     
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    Thieves of Congress: Thorium theft: A 60 Lakh Crore scam !

    It's the biggest Scam ever in India amounting to at least Rs 60 Lakh Crore made by selling Nuclear Fuel Thorium mined in Southern parts of India.

    A letter was written to the then PM of India Manmohan Singh 10 Months ago, to look into the illegal thorium mining scam of India.

    Prof V Rajamanickam, India’s leading marine mineral explorer and a geochemist of repute, says that Manavalakurichi (in Kanyakumari district) is home to world’s 30 per cent thorium deposits. According to World Nuclear Association (WNA- the global body of nuclear industry) India is home to 3,00,000 tonnes of thorium deposit.

    A Tirunelveli-based businessman supposedly with strong congress connections, is depriving India of its precious mineral wealth by smuggling it in pretext of sand mining. He owns 96 out of the 111 garnet mining licences issued by the Indian Bureau of Mines. And also ALL 44 licences issued by GoI (Congress) for mining ilmenite.

    This compromises India’s energy security and strategic position as a prospective superpower as the Thorium is being smuggled to other countries.

    Containers filled with sand from Manavalakurichi are exported through Tuticorin Port and is an open and regular sight. The Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) is allowing this loot in front of its eyes. .

    According to Dr Kalyanaraman, who retired from the Indian Railway Account Service, thorium reserves of India are worth Rs 1,340 billion. But all this will be sold to our rival nations because of the corruption.

    If this is not selling the nation then what is?

    Let's hope the Modi govt puts an end to this loot that has filled the coffers of the Congress during all these years.
     
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    By allowing them to get away with this, it will only affect India in the long run. When they come back to power, they willl f-k us over again. I blame Indian for voting this crap family into power. The Congress party has no shame. It allows itself to use this idiot to lead its affairs instead of allowing capable ppl to lead the country.
     
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    I remember reading about the illegal mining of sands and rare earths, at the time it was dismissed by many as an election tactic by opposition parties. I was hoping that the aacusations were not true :( Very saddening to hear this. Fkin 10 years of nonsense.
     
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    While MMS can be blamed for a lot things but blaming him for slowdown in Civilian Nuclear sector is pure horse manure.

    Lastly,That Thorium scam is some creative number crunching.It's the same as saying $100 Trillion of water was sold by Congress because someday Water (Hydrogen) can be used as fuel :rofl:
     
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    Well, the majority of brainless hoards of India may vote them back to power on the shoulders of turds like Nitish and Lallu who defeated the BJP in Bihar recently. Seems every party is ganging up against Modi to form a coalition with Congress at the helm!

    The nightmare will then become a reality! It's back to the future, Ver 2.0...
     
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    It is not about weapons. But reactors. Previous govt it seems had put the tech development on backburner, if not downright hamper it. It means that India would be dependent on foreign companies for nuclear power longer than it should have.
     
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    I know man. I can't believe that crap in Bihar. LALOO of all ppl? Give me a break! If you want a poster boy for corruption, how come nobody even brings him up for debate? Where is AAP? How come they never take shots at Laloo or Congress? Bihar has seen shit development. Its impressive numbers make up for decades of NO DEVELOPMENT. Just look at the tourist facilities for Buddhist travellers? It look a like 4th world dump. When ppl come to visit, they take back a certain impression of India and it's not good. We have the reosurces, the manpwoer , the knowledge and the capability.....but its the gov't f-king us over and over again.



    Congress is looking for any opportunity to use against Modi. In 100 days, he did more than Congress did in 15 yrs but they have the nerve to complain? Come on. Rahul is lucky Im not his father, I would beat him to death for being a f-king clueless idiot.



    When all scams related to Congress come out, there is not a peep about it by Congress. Why?



    Modi should make a school of public policy so that future leaders can be groomed to become potent future leaders of India. This should be priority because it will never get a chance.


    Also, key emphasis should be given also to primary school children who are the future. Teach them how to be model citizens instead of engaging in corruption would go a long way. But the quality of what is being taught is all over, up or down. So, it time for certain courses that deal with security and nationalism come from one voice. Set it up viz web thru the use of computers. Every kid and adult should see the same msg.

    Modi should make it a priority to give every kid a laptop or such web enabled device. Cut down on wasteage of books and papers, making teaching more accountable and efficient,etc.



    Modi has SO MUCH TO DO, but I have never felt so confident of any Indian leader. More than anything, he is the one leader who actually gives a damn about India making it.
     
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    Fuk development. Lallu and Co are only interested in money and getting their useless offspring into politics for more power and pelf to the family.

    Just look at the condition of Patna, Bihar's capital city - the seat of power - where Nitish and Lallu hugged each other.

    [​IMG]

    Bloody shameless morons!!
     
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    That's not an entirely wrong statement in itself...
     
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    Ya I know bro. A lot of these shit leaders and politicans are trying to get their family into politics. Great if they succeed we will have another generation of dumb, incapable corrupt politicans like Rahul. Laloo is just one of mnay including that Yadav from UP. I think it high time ppl like us start building a digitial media capabilities to reach the masses. Its the only way to build awareness in the poor or illiterate.



    That garbage is a mess. That's I brought one time how in California, they are banning plastic bags. We destroy our own culture of using hemp bags and reusable products to ape others who only return to where we were. NO DIRECTION FROM THE TOP AT ALL.



    To think Nitish and Laloo see this every freaking day. Even when they go on their foriegn junkets, they must be aware. Thsy simply dont care man......and that's what hurts and angers me more than anything.




    In two yrs if you are still around, you want to help me to help India? I dont need anything more than input and ideas.....