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That is an idiotic statement. I didn't say that, Hitchens did. Otherwise please proceed to proving that you do not sniff glue out of a rancid sock when no one can see you. In case the point wasn't clear enough, the one who makes the claim has the burden of proof.

"what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence." - Says Hitchens and his Razor.




Naive argument. The state holds every right over everything and anything pertaining to the state's and its people's welfare. It also holds every right over the documentation of the bank notes that are issued under its authority. It is in fact its responsibility to ensure that no institute, man, woman, or corrupt mullah does or can do anything to harm any other. And if it needs to employ gunpowder and manpower to do that then it better, as did the Prophet (S.A.W) when destroying Masjid al-Dirar.

The state holds the only authority over a mosque and a madrassah. If not, then who does? A random mullah? Who holds the mullah accountable?




I don't have time for nonsense.
I have changed my views in light of this post.

They should all be forced into financial transparency for the greater good of society as moral obligation.

I take back my argument.
 

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why are you getting so emotional about this?
Portraying Mosques and Madrassas as terror camps to please foreign masters. This is a thing I cannot stand. The ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan takes actions against its own STATE RELIGION.

The religious practice of the STATE RELIGION should not be influenced by foreign agencies.
So what's wrong with requiring the same of religious organizations?
I have a problem with it due to following reasons:

- The West / our "liberal elite" thinks mosques and madrassas are terror camps and the ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan takes actions against its own STATE RELIGION which has superiority over other religions, because thats the thing of having a state religion at the first place.
- General suspicion against Muslims is okay now. People would go beserk if Pakistan would start implementing policies against mad missionaries from abroad or against Hindu temples people would cry Islamism, Terror, Hate against minorities and stuff like that. But it's okay to do the same with Muslims?
- People pulled the "nothing to hide"-card. Nothing to hide doesn't mean that I will show all my stuff to you. NGOs, foreign missionaries and funds are here to influence Pakistani politics so the authorities should have an eye on them, but not on the STATE RELIGION. I am not saying that there are no mad mullahs in Pakistan who incite and are responsible for violence but target them specifically!

The government can actually demand a screenshot of your bank statement if it deems it necessary.
Yes, if they have evidence or a hunch that I could be involved in criminal activity, not just out of curiosity and with no good reason!

Furthermore, you are not a public institution, mosques and madrassahs are.
Mosques and madrassas are OPEN to the public like a sports assocition would be, there are not public institutions! For qualifying as public institutions they must be funded by the government.

Stop opposing it just because a rabid mullah started wailing about it.
I couldn't care less about mullahs and their idiocracy. It's about the fact that government sanctions Muslim institutions because foreign Masters think that mosques and madrassas are terror camps. In many cases they are the only people who provide basic education for the poor.

Or hey, let's let IK, NS, and Zardari all be able to not disclose their sources of income either.
They are in power and get a salary provided by the tax payers so they have to be transparent about their finances and should be!

The fact that the Islamic banking, as outlined by some of our Ulema in Pakistan, is a complete fraud and waste of time and resources is another matter.
Unfortunately true...
 

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Can I see a screenshot of your Internet Banking? Just to make sure that you don't get any money from MI6. It's for the safety of every PDF poster!
sorry i must have missed something here!?

when did i send students from schools to bring down elected government?

but hey by all means you can see my lloyds bank account when you provide a little more evidence of my involvement!

so until those events.... back to the original question? what harm would it be if you have nothing to hide?
 

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it is there in OP. Iqra.
Its a federal institution not some rabbi


I am not a mosque nor madressah.

Point is, you wanted to open a bank account and you wanted to opt out in dealing with interest. You were not forced to open any of them.

I am forced to pay interest on many things as devised by modern financial system.

From charity givers not receivers.
Large donations have to be recorded in charities due to money laundering rules. The govt is obviously not asking for names of every namazi that drops 10 rupees in the bucket.

if a masjid receives 1 crore rupees from an individual, that person has no reason not to have id recorded.
 

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After 2014 attack many masajids and madrassah have went through audit. I know couple of guys who have performed these audits and they tell a different story.
They say there is no book keeping or accounts handling they kazanchi or masjid accountant(one who control all the money) use to bring bags full of receipts and use to tell them that's it. It was a masjid+madrassah and their total income was more than 9.3 crore(that they knew off) guess how much money was spent on the children of maddrassh. I shit u not its was mere peanuts. One has to ask where is the money going and who is bemifiting from the charity.
That money could be used for some anti Pakistan lashkar etc. When money is involved then their is no guarantees. Mullah are benifiting from religious sentiment. Remember this mullah burqa statement after APS School attack. For them this is just a business not some religious duty.
 

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Madrassahs and Mosques Announce Protest on Govt Decision to Reveal Sources of Income
Posted 27 mins ago by Syeda Masooma

Muslims praying in Masjid


Wifaqul Madaris Al-Arabia – the apex body of seminaries at the federal level – has announced a protest in Islamabad on January 26 regarding amendments in Waqf Property Act, reported Express Tribune.
The announcement came with a statement from the body terming the amendments as ‘infringement’ on the freedom of mosques and seminaries.
The Act requires mosques and seminaries to disclose their source of income and the identities of the donors.
Wifaqul Madaris Nazim, Maulana Qazi Abdul Rashid, demanded the government to withdraw amendments in Waqf Property Act.

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Addressing a presser at Jamat-e-Islami office, he said, “The amendments in Waqf Property Act infringe the freedom of mosques and seminaries.”

“The freedom of madrassas and mosques was being curtailed at the behest of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and other powers,” Qazi said, adding that if the government did not withdraw new provisions in the Act, they would start the second phase of the movement.

Qazi said that questioning donors of mosques and seminaries are tantamount to harassing them. He said, “We are ready to give expenditure details of madrassas but will not open our accounts in banks.”
He also said that they wanted a one-window operation for the registration of madrassas. However, the procedure of registration with the government has not yet been finalized.

https://propakistani.pk/2021/01/13/...if-madrassahs-made-to-disclose-donor-details/
They should file some tax documents.
 

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Government has archaic privacy laws and sells data cheap by corruption.

The reforms attempted by this government are directly dictated by foreign entities like IMF and FATF.

Government is the largest foreign funded entity in the country.
"Yeh bikk gai hai Gormint ".... :-)

 
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Iam all for financial transparency in the religious institutes but why no churches were included in the list ?
Because we do not oppress religious minorities and they are monitored since the Zia Era when Free-Masonry was banned. I think that there is already sufficient amount of surveillance, going further would impeach there rights of privacy, And the Madrasas have nothing to hide, if the Govt. says that no taxes would be collected on their incomes provided the fact that the source of income is revealed then there should be no- backfire from their side, because their only reason for the protest would end. And yes this could reveal some terror financing but the Govt. should be careful in handling these sensitive issues, because a lot of propaganda from the Indian Side could incite instability. Although what should be noted is the fact that we should be careful, with dealing with religions as you said above, there should be the order passed as follows All Religious Institutions but that would of have made for Great Indian Propoganda, so hope that clears the point for you all. Always happy to help huh. :)
 

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Madrassahs and Mosques Announce Protest on Govt Decision to Reveal Sources of Income
Posted 27 mins ago by Syeda Masooma

Muslims praying in Masjid


Wifaqul Madaris Al-Arabia – the apex body of seminaries at the federal level – has announced a protest in Islamabad on January 26 regarding amendments in Waqf Property Act, reported Express Tribune.
The announcement came with a statement from the body terming the amendments as ‘infringement’ on the freedom of mosques and seminaries.
The Act requires mosques and seminaries to disclose their source of income and the identities of the donors.
Wifaqul Madaris Nazim, Maulana Qazi Abdul Rashid, demanded the government to withdraw amendments in Waqf Property Act.

ALSO READ
FATF Wants Pakistan to Speed up Completion of Action Plan

Addressing a presser at Jamat-e-Islami office, he said, “The amendments in Waqf Property Act infringe the freedom of mosques and seminaries.”

“The freedom of madrassas and mosques was being curtailed at the behest of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and other powers,” Qazi said, adding that if the government did not withdraw new provisions in the Act, they would start the second phase of the movement.

Qazi said that questioning donors of mosques and seminaries are tantamount to harassing them. He said, “We are ready to give expenditure details of madrassas but will not open our accounts in banks.”
He also said that they wanted a one-window operation for the registration of madrassas. However, the procedure of registration with the government has not yet been finalized.

https://propakistani.pk/2021/01/13/...if-madrassahs-made-to-disclose-donor-details/
Mullahs oh mullahs, Allah in se bacha
 

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they have nothing to hide then why the worry. Nobody is taking their donations away but the reaction suggests they don't want the public to find out the sources of their income.
 

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common laymen in madarsaas are nothing but puppets, their masters are worried about exposing their lies and that is why they trying to mobilize the poor souls.
 

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When Nawaz Sharif can’t be made to produce his sources of income, Zardari roams freely without any sources being shown and the rest of the elites behave in the same manner...I completely understand why the madaris and masajid are fed up.
 

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Because we do not oppress religious minorities and they are monitored since the Zia Era
The state is supposed to have access to the knitty gritty of every financial transaction taking place under her jurisdiction . so, where did this "gas chambers " fear come from ?
 

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