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A piece of equipment that went back to the factory and was rebuilt to the same production limits as a new equipment.It requires the repair or replacement of worn out components and modules. Parts subject to degradation affecting the performance or the expected life of the whole system are replaced. Remanufacturing is a form of a product recovery process that differs from other recovery processes in its completeness: a remanufactured machine should match the same customer expectation as new machines.
System is almost zeroed using reused, repaired and new parts.
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Pakistan has almost around 400 M109's of all types in service.
That's one huge step in right direction and probably is foundation stone towards a home built SP gun.
Since HIT manufactures barrel,so it can be safely assumed that M109 barrel is being manufactured at HIT.Status of power pack Detroit Diesel Model 8V71T rebuilt cannot be ascertained along with status of those parts which are being manufactured locally and are being used in rebuilt.I assume that electronic modules are being imported while mechanical are being built in house.

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Trying to keep old Artillery Foxy's (VW Beetle) operational really! HIT itself needs a major overhaul for its long term survival
It's a shame they don't lease the surplus capacity out to foreign OEMs. The latter can produce their IFV, AFV, SPH and even MBT designs in Pakistan. We just need to mandate a minimum % local sourcing (from Pakistani SMEs) rule, the rest the OEM can import (e.g., engines, transmission, etc).
 

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It's a shame they don't lease the surplus capacity out to foreign OEMs. The latter can produce their IFV, AFV, SPH and even MBT designs in Pakistan. We just need to mandate a minimum % local sourcing (from Pakistani SMEs) rule, the rest the OEM can import (e.g., engines, transmission, etc).
When retired generals and bearocrats are receiving lush plots, servants, latest cars, etc then what do you expect. They cant even seem to do the minimum.
 

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I'd be happy when they build a local SPH from what they've learned from M109.
That is simply asking too much!
It's a shame they don't lease the surplus capacity out to foreign OEMs. The latter can produce their IFV, AFV, SPH and even MBT designs in Pakistan. We just need to mandate a minimum % local sourcing (from Pakistani SMEs) rule, the rest the OEM can import (e.g., engines, transmission, etc).
As long as it’s being run by serving Army officers it’ll continue to decline in potential and capability. Lost opportunities include, APCs, IED protection Vehicles (needed severely by our troops), indigenous tank etc
 

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That is simply asking too much!


As long as it’s being run by serving Army officers it’ll continue to decline in potential and capability. Lost opportunities include, APCs, IED protection Vehicles (needed severely by our troops), indigenous tank etc
Yes, but it's a costly lost opportunity because public funds go into maintaining HIT, POF, etc, as-is. The capacity is not productive -- we're not even meeting domestic needs -- yet the exchequer is paying for it.

Why not settle a deal with NORINCO where NORINCO leases HIT and manufactures the SH15, VT4, VN8 and VN17 in Pakistan for the Army?

It may not help indigenous design and development, but with the right frameworks, we can at least get NORINCO to source 33% from Pakistani private sector SMEs for PA projects. Our SMEs might actually evolve and, after the NORINCO lease is up, offer indigenous designs with 51% localization?
 

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These 155mm guns can provide a strike range of around 150km with the right round


I don't think that Norwegians will have any problem selling this round, PA should actively try to procure it
 

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If bullet is fired from gun it can kill someone be it 1920's gun.
Wasteful carpet bombing days have long gone, these days precision strikes , rate of fire, long distances, less maintenance etc is the name of the game.
There should be a law that companies and factories must be run and managed by the civilians. Military personal with all due respect are not the experienced business managers/administrators and there should be a method of accountability, new innovations, joint collaboration, effective use of facilities and profitability to name the few are the things to be considered to run as a business. No wonder state keeps on pumping the money in and nothing improves as no one is asking from them what they have to do to make a profit so it can be invested back rather then hand outs are given.
 

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Wasteful carpet bombing days have long gone, these days precision strikes , rate of fire, long distances, less maintenance etc is the name of the game.
There should be a law that companies and factories must be run and managed by the civilians. Military personal with all due respect are not the experienced business managers/administrators and there should be a method of accountability, new innovations, joint collaboration, effective use of facilities and profitability to name the few are the things to be considered to run as a business. No wonder state keeps on pumping the money in and nothing improves as no one is asking from them what they have to do to make a profit so it can be invested back rather then hand outs are given.
In the presence of f-35 amurika should have scraped the f-16 , f-15 ,f-18 and everything else that is just old junks .
Why they aren't doing this?
 

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In the presence of f-35 amurika should have scraped the f-16 , f-15 ,f-18 and everything else that is just old junks .
Why they aren't doing this?
Things have to make sense so don't try to take things out of context. In war, tools of war have to make impact with associated costs if that was the case then where are the sabres, F104 and so forth. We are no longer living in the middle ages when tools of wars stayed the same for centuries, now every 6 months technology takes a leap forward just look at the mobile phones etc.
 

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Military personal with all due respect are not the experienced business managers/administrators
Not valid point ... military running own specific businesses in Pakistan more successfully than many private and civilian businesses.

there should be a method of accountability
That is the most important foundation towards a successful business - further stringent laws to deal with corrupts and to overhaul the crumbling and sick justice system of Pakistan.
Laws to control cartels/hoarders of Sugar, Cement, Flour to manipulate prices for unjust gains.

new innovations, joint collaboration, effective use of facilities and profitability to name the few are the things to be considered to run as a business.
This is the way forward. R&D; a visionary eye on new innovation and the future aspects of on going manufacturing process to reduce cost + improved process.

In Pakistan, we have seen that what Suzuki and Honda produced - only junk at sky rocketed prices. Just compare the 3 decades old models of Suzuki cars and Honda motorcycles in Pakistan - you could hardly notices any innovation except some grille and light covers changed in Suzuki cars and just fuel tank strips/stickers on Honda motorcycles.
 

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with the state of economy, this is the best that can be done , HIT is saving billions to the exchequer this way



a 155mm Rd falling on your position is not a nice feeling ( be it from a pzh2000 or an old M109 SP gun)

, this forum is full of kids now
 

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