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Then I don't know what do you want. A Politician to decide & post Senior General by his own-self or a PM doing the right thing based on merits/feedback/report and announce it by his own-self.
Please provide evidence that a multiple names were provided from which Imran Khan chose the most meritorious general. The fact of the matter is, ISPR announced Nadeem Anjum without notification from PM, thus bringing out the divide into open and showing the whole world that Imran Khan had no choice but comply. It is now Imran Khan's personal ego due to which he has delayed the notification and dated it in the future. Imran Khan is egotistically manipulating every single loophole that he can manipulate without benefiting the country or the institution. If anything, it has led to negative ripple effects on the careers of top generals.
 

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well done, a precedence has to be set with a formal hiring of the chief. there is no harm in following the procedure which was exercised first time, it did not belittle any but went the right way.
PM office notifying his appointment from 20 November clearly says PM stand on his stance. there never was any conflict about hiring this or that but was to follow the procedure.

the up coming PMs will when benefit from this, then i will ask those who were giving it a hype including media who is on a different agenda against PM IK. they are just conscience selling, hired lot.

boot went up the ar.se . simple

in the end, who got noiminated for DGISI ? wohi banda jo bajwey ne lagana tha

this ungal bazi will be dear for PTI
 

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boot went up the ar.se . simple

in the end, who got noiminated for DGISI ? wohi banda jo bajwey ne lagana tha

this ungal bazi will be dear for PTI
Did Military follow the procedure?

Was PM willing to follow the procedure?

was there a quarrel over selecting a particular person?

can you please answers to those questions
 

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It's PM Imran Khan's final decision when or who to appoint as DG ISI. Army chief can only give recommendations. Final authority rests with PM of Pakistan as DG ISI reports to him directly.
Whatever Mazaq that was created was done by Bughaz Imran media so you need not to worry about that.

It's not. Army chief wanted General Faiz to be transferred immediately. PM Imran Khan transferred him for 20th November as it is his authority to do do so not army chief's

Only topi drama there was Bughaz Imran media making it a national security issue which it wasn't

Why? Because he is their guy like Chief election commissioner?

Army chief wanted him transfered immediately. PM Imran Khan wanted some delay and he got it.
Nawaz Sharif lovers are confused as always. On one hand they hate everything military related because daddy nawaz says so. But now that a sitting civilian PM has actually asserted his official authority they are not sure how to react. Bughz e Imran hi hai.
 

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Why don't you quote the article / clause in the constitution that says who will appoint the DG of ISI?
1) Why should I? I'm not the one sitting on hot coals, at great infallible leader, taking one U turn, after the other. I am actually very happy at imbeciles exposing themselves.

2) The relevant article was published on this very forum, recently on another thread.
 

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It's fun watching the people who were mindlessly supporting Imran khan go around in circles to bring reason in his actions.
And then there's the party which had bet on the pony to listen and win the race, sadly that won't happen. As it hasn't for 70 years
 

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More important question, why didn't the PM want ex- DG ISI to be transferred?
Why the favoritism?
Why did it take 20 days to copy and paste ISPR notification?
There is no favourtism unless you keep insisting for that. I thought you will be more informed than anyone else on the matter. Why deliberate ignorance on this?
Please provide evidence that a multiple names were provided from which Imran Khan chose the most meritorious general.
Buddy! There is a time to play smart and there is a time to not to play at all. Sit down. The Choosing is not IK or NZ or AAZ. This is all about announcement and having a say in the matter and to hold discussion. Unless you are family in this; please just don't mess it by creating more controversies.
It is now Imran Khan's personal ego due to which he has delayed the notification and dated it in the future. Imran Khan is egotistically manipulating every single loophole that he can manipulate without benefiting the country or the institution.
As I said earlier, I am not PTI fan or supporter at all... neither for NZ or AAZ ever. But, what if it is your ego that blinds you to understand as what really happened, why it is done like that and who should have done it properly. I don't see it being IK ego but it was matter of announcement & issuing notification. State remains on top and that's it.
The fact of the matter is, ISPR announced Nadeem Anjum without notification from PM
If the law says it has to be done by the PM, then no ego shall interrupt the process. Let's call spade a spade and do it rightly. Institute at its place same as like politician doing his/her own work.
 
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In other words, you are telling me you know more than me, especially on this particular issue? I have no issues with your claim.
I am no one... I am none.... In-fact, there is no "I" for me.... and I don't have issues with your claims knowing more than anyone. Are you saying you know more than anyone or everyone?
 

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I am no one... I am none.... In-fact, there is no "I" for me.... and I don't have issues with your claims knowing more than anyone. Are you saying you know more than anyone or everyone?
Lets say this particular issue is of "special interest" to me, and this has been my position from Day 1, on said subject:


Dear Brother, Answer is easy, if one is ready to put Pakistan first, and not individuals.

Throwing a hissy fit at the change of guard has nothing to do with, who retires when. People come, people go, Institutions carry on, and ones that work well, should not be meddled with at all, it is nothing less than criminal to do so. Wouldn't you agree?

Unfortunately when megalomaniacs put people first, and institutions later, due to their own personal agendas, they mess thing s up royally. Sadly, THIS trait is common in all three, major political parties.

Whatever political party you belong to, you cant dispute the fact that ISI is good, at what it does. On the contrary FIA and IB under civilian control are toothless tigers, and testament to why civilian meddling should be negated in critical institutions.

When people dont like the military meddling in civilian affairs, the same should hold true for military institutions?

Coming back to topic on hand:

1) The issue of appointing DG ISI by PM, has no constitutional backing, it is only out of courtesy. IK should not punch above his weight, and burn the one good thing going for him.

2) DG ISI is only answerable to the COAS or CJCSC, briefing the PM is at the discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

3) When or if, DG ISI goes beyond defined ROE he can be retired / transferred, and a replacement appointed, without any civilian input, at the sole discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

People have to start asking why one 3 star, is better than another one?

As to fanboys thinking that their favorite 3 star will one day become COAS, need to understand that a certain academic acumen is also required, to lead, unarguably, the best institution in the country.
 

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Lets say this particular issue is of "special interest" to me, and this has been my position from Day 1, on said subject:


Dear Brother, Answer is easy, if one is ready to put Pakistan first, and not individuals.

Throwing a hissy fit at the change of guard has nothing to do with, who retires when. People come, people go, Institutions carry on, and ones that work well, should not be meddled with at all, it is nothing less than criminal to do so. Wouldn't you agree?

Unfortunately when megalomaniacs put people first, and institutions later, due to their own personal agendas, they mess thing s up royally. Sadly, THIS trait is common in all three, major political parties.

Whatever political party you belong to, you cant dispute the fact that ISI is good, at what it does. On the contrary FIA and IB under civilian control are toothless tigers, and testament to why civilian meddling should be negated in critical institutions.

When people dont like the military meddling in civilian affairs, the same should hold true for military institutions?

Coming back to topic on hand:

1) The issue of appointing DG ISI by PM, has no constitutional backing, it is only out of courtesy. IK should not punch above his weight, and burn the one good thing going for him.

2) DG ISI is only answerable to the COAS or CJCSC, briefing the PM is at the discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

3) When or if, DG ISI goes beyond defined ROE he can be retired / transferred, and a replacement appointed, without any civilian input, at the sole discretion of the COAS or CJCSC.

People have to start asking why one 3 star, is better than another one?

As to fanboys thinking that their favorite 3 star will one day become COAS, need to understand that a certain academic acumen is also required, to lead, unarguably, the best institution in the country.
Why you are taking too much of interest into fanboys? C'mon man... we can do better than that. Let the boys speak for themselves and let us indulge into something positive.

The reason of my argument is to put Pakistan first. Follow the law, follow the procedure, upheld the Dignity.

Speaking of FIA/IB as compare to ISI, is a whole different ball game. How CIA works alongside FBI and NS. Whole of Armed Forces reports to PM. ISI reports to PM. Transfer Posting V/s Appointment, is the confusion here if you look at it.

There's no meddling in the process or institute. The foray comes to play due to Constitutional litigation. Why don't you understand that? This is what I am saying.

I told you before, there's no person idolism for me especially on the political side.

Military meddling in politics don't prove that PM notification is wrong or to be taken away. If it is against the constitution, why do we miss any uproar on the floor of parliament at all? Do you think opposition will miss such opportunity and not to move against PM since if he is meddling into affairs? If IK went against constitution, I will be more happy to see him being roughed-up either by opposition or law itself.

DG ISI is answerable to COAS or briefs PM on discretion of PM, have nothing to do with notification at hand. Do you know what Constitution makes a PM for all the armed forces? It is Inter Services Intelligence. We have MI to report to COAS as well.

Whether a DG ISI or any other appointment, is bound by the law of institute for a certain period of time and the official gets transferred/posted. Where constitution says that DG ISI can only be notified by COAS or CJSC and not the PM?

Evaluation of a 3 Star being better than other, is based upon sole input by the CO/HoD. You might know well about ACRs/PRs etc being sent to higher authorities in this regard.

Again the fanboyism is not solely based upon having blood relations or an officer was like a filmy hero during his tenure. The fan base comes after the performance and how an officer did so on the field for country and recognized accordingly. If it was pure fanboyism, I will say that Ex DG ISPR/Lt. Gen Asif Ghafoor was supposed to be a COAS directly with hands down. But it is not like that. In civilian world, the fans will keep calling and appraising for the officers being on the screen. This is all a civilian can do. I don't see much of civilians do know about the officers being real heroes. The reason is that, none of them are on TV or in the news. I don't blame fans or civilians for this.
 
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