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We often consider what is Pakistan's nuclear threshold because its forces are conventionally inferior to India in terms of numbers, however, what actually transpired 2 years ago should raise doubts on India's nuclear threshold. They were willing to use Brahmos despite the skirmish up till then being limited to LOC and WB, what if PAF had shot down more than 2 IAF jets? What if PN had downed the Scorpene? Crucially, what if PA didn't just resort to destroying enemy bunkers and posts but also went on the offensive and captured some land? Would India have blinked first?
 

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This is not something you look up in the dictionary and everyone come up knowing the exact same meaning, It's the perception of the person in that moment that takes the decision and is depends on so many factors, who want's to bet on it other than a total idiot?




Exactly. Now, if there were no existential threat to Pakistan and the thrusts happened across the LoC, but not across the IB, will the corps commander use a tactical nuke? With the knowledge, that the Indian response will be a full spectrum assault? Or will the response be to blunt the Indian attack by imposing losses and then trying to negotiate a return to a plausible status quo?

The answer according to the Indian thought process today, is no. And the reason for this is in the belief that the PA remains a professional force. The past actions (without getting into the debate of whether they were successful or not) of India needs to be seen in this perspective.

The Indian view, today, is that the PA will not risk mainland Pakistan for Kashmir.
 

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I would present a counter argument to your post. I would say the US did not say anything for 2 reasons. At all times on 27/02 the 16s were within Pak air space and therefore technically on defensive duties. In defence anh armament can be used by the procuring nation. Sevondly the US got the bezt possible present handed to it on a golden platter in the form of 2 Indian platforms going down to the C5. Air warfare is a business to the US defence conglomerate. It does not matter who goes down as long as the US armaments secure a limited victory. This was a huge victory for the C5 so the US was externally quiet but internally chuffed to bits.
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This was LM Instagram story after PAF F-16 shot down Su-30MKI using AIM-120. Indian will never admit but the Americans celebrated that their tech took down the best Russia could offer.

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I am not worried about Iaf bigger fleet of jets as compared to ours. i am worried about their existing technology and their rapid progress of inducting new technologies. There is a big gap now. They have rafales. They have new better missiles and probably they will buy f-15 also. We must pick up the pace. We need something to counter their modern jets specially rafale. Offensive capability is good but number of good fighter jets also matters. Pakistan doesn't even have block 70 and most f-16s are very old version with slight update. Time to think like a pro.
 

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Lemme tell you bro jf-17 block 3 will be par with atmost block50s at the best. But we can upgrade f-16s to block 60 which make it more easier to face rafales. No matter what any one says that jf-17 will never replace an f-16 as one is a medium weight while other a lightweight. Jeff is a really good small aircraft in its own category. It was made to replace F7s and thats what its doing. F-16 is in a league of its man.
F16 initially was also lightweight fighter but it evolved into medium weight beast. As far as history has taught us Jf17 has more future upgrade potential since its just a decade old but f16 is 46 years old. So expect end of upgrade programs in next decade for f16. Jf17 in next decade would be on par with f21 eventually. What people dont realize is that when f16 came only us and Russian jets had edge and then European ones. but now there is no big boy china and is rapidly getting close to the level of tech US has. Please read about j20 and j10 B and C you will realize they are so damn improving that its not even easy now to track their progress. by next five years no one knows what will Chinese tech be. I have feeling that china if not the best will be an equal counter part in tech alternative for customers in next 5 to 10 years. Jf17 will always have a bite if not whole from big aero engineering tech products found in newer blocks of j10 or even j31 or j20. I have good faith in it.
 

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F16 initially was also lightweight fighter but it evolved into medium weight beast. As far as history has taught us Jf17 has more future upgrade potential since its just a decade old but f16 is 46 years old. So expect end of upgrade programs in next decade for f16. Jf17 in next decade would be on par with f21 eventually. What people dont realize is that when f16 came only us and Russian jets had edge and then European ones. but now there is no big boy china and is rapidly getting close to the level of tech US has. Please read about j20 and j10 B and C you will realize they are so damn improving that its not even easy now to track their progress. by next five years no one knows what will Chinese tech be. I have feeling that china if not the best will be an equal counter part in tech alternative for customers in next 5 to 10 years. Jf17 will always have a bite if not whole from big aero engineering tech products found in newer blocks of j10 or even j31 or j20. I have good faith in it.
I think with all due respects your conclusions are wrong because the premise behind it is incorrect. The fact that you are comparing the USA with a hundred years history of evolving aviation development with Pakistan with its first infantile steps and even Chin a which has only recently managed to produce an indigenous engine of its own makes the basis of your assumptions wrong and therefore the conclusions wrong. The problem for PAF is lack of finances and lack of relevant technology. Therefore the development cycle of any endeavour which PAC and China make will be much slower. We have repeatedly seen PAF/PAC going to EU nations for technology which the Chinese either have not produced or is not of appropriate standard or is more expensive( due to research costs added on). I cannot say when the Chinese will mature enough to be at par with the US but currently they are not and so developments will be slow and show a tendency of risk aversion which further slows development.
For instance the type of transformation you require is not going to be possible for the next 20 years due to lack of finances, the appropriate technology including an appropriate engine and other technologies. PAC and our Chinese brothers have done a miraculous job with the JFT but too many high hopes are a route to disappointment.
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