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Why is coal too expensive?
 

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This is an emissions regulation problem that will likely be solved when additional clean energy comes online. It is evidence of strong commitment to environmental goals and will result in a more resilient energy infrastructure.
 

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This is an emissions regulation problem that will likely be solved when additional clean energy comes online. It is evidence of strong commitment to environmental goals and will result in a more resilient energy infrastructure.
Unlikely since clean energy isn't as predictable as fossil fuel energy and energy storage technology isn't yet at grid level.

In addition, commitment to environmental goals is one thing and disregarding the market reality is another. Throughout the history, there are plenty of cases where emperors wanted something good that in turn made people suffer.
 

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Unlikely since clean energy isn't as predictable as fossil fuel energy and energy storage technology isn't yet at grid level.

In addition, commitment to environmental goals is one thing and disregarding the market reality is another. Throughout the history, there are plenty of cases where emperors wanted something good that in turn made people suffer.
Hydro/nuc work as well. This serves as a market shock needed to shake existing players out of complacency. In 5-10 years we will see who has a smart grid with renewable energy infrastructure and who is clinging to gas cars and 'clean coal'.
 

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Hydro/nuc work as well. This serves as a market shock needed to shake existing players out of complacency. In 5-10 years we will see who has a smart grid with renewable energy infrastructure and who is clinging to gas cars and 'clean coal'.
I admire the ambition and hope the push for clean energy will succeed. However, I also know intention and consequence are not always the same. The phrase of "unintended consequences" is so common in modern era that it should really make you suspect the consequences are actually intended because stupidity alone cannot explain it.
 

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Blocking imports of Australian coal appears to be one factor among others, and from what I am reading the higher energy yield and lower emissions of banned Australian coal compound the problem due to the way many of Chinas newer power generation stations are engineered. They cannot run on lower quality coal and are sitting idle. The CCP could alleviate some if not all of their coal shortage and reduce price by removing the ban on Australian coal but almost certainly won't. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 

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Blocking imports of Australian coal appears to be one factor among others, and from what I am reading the higher energy yield and lower emissions of banned Australian coal compound the problem due to the way many of Chinas newer power generation stations are engineered. They cannot run on lower quality coal and are sitting idle. The CCP could alleviate some if not all of their coal shortage and reduce price by removing the ban on Australian coal but almost certainly won't. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
China is a country where politics trumps everything else. Over there, even entertainment is supposed to serve the purpose of politics. It is life as usual that some business will suffer because the emperor wants something done.
 

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Chinese government has deliberately cut the power to the Ughurs
Haha, that is a very creative conspiracy theory. Actually XinJiang is a coal rich province. The capital city of Urumqi is literally sitting on top of a coal mine.
 

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Haha, that is a very creative conspiracy theory. Actually XinJiang is a coal rich province. The capital city of Urumqi is literally sitting on top of a coal mine.
then why no power?

makes the claim even more credible doesnt it
 

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China is a country where politics trumps everything else. Over there, even entertainment is supposed to serve the purpose of politics. It is life as usual that some business will suffer because the emperor wants something done.
This may well be somebody from Shanghai trying to portray Xi as the last man in line again, btw...

Not for the first time something like that happens, just like the Shanghai stock market crash was thrown at Xi, despite him doing pretty much nothing, but saying a single slogan which was caught on by Shanghai party.
 

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This may well be somebody from Shanghai trying to portray Xi as the last man in line again, btw...

Not for the first time something like that happens, just like the Shanghai stock market crash was thrown at Xi, despite him doing pretty much nothing, but saying a single slogan which was caught on by Shanghai party.
Probably but Xi encouraged this kind of behavior by managing everything which makes the responsibility no where to go except on him, regardless whether he does or does not do anything.
 

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I admire the ambition and hope the push for clean energy will succeed. However, I also know intention and consequence are not always the same. The phrase of "unintended consequences" is so common in modern era that it should really make you suspect the consequences are actually intended because stupidity alone cannot explain it.
without ambition and pain then you are just a zombie. being paralyzed by fear/arrogance and hoping that clinging to the status quo will save you is what led to 700k dead in that shining beacon of no politics with 100% pragmatism while less than 5k dead in supposed 100% political, no pragmatism land where everything is for ego.
 

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