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Lessons learned from pulwama incidence

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  1. ziaulislam

    ziaulislam ELITE MEMBER

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    1. New norm by BJP will be fake airstrikes as this will harm Pakistan more than india. Any escalation puts Pakistan economy at stand still vs india only western economy. Unless things escalate to effect the radicalized people of india..the next response should be something to hurt that radiculzed population to see what is their breaking point

    2. People to people relationship matter more than strategic relationship ..this is evident from response from UAE vs Turkey

    3. Today is the Era of economy ..war is fought on money.. Establishment if exists in Pakistan, must consider economic terrorism as threat to country as well. Basic economic understanding takes couple of hours to understand.

    4. New war will fought by aerial engagements first ..thus airforce should have first priority ..this lesson was learned by Israeli long time ago

    5. Soft power is important and it comes from your culture and economy. Which we destroyed

    6. Pakistan will have consider an approiate response to kulbushan threat. Rather thsn just securing its own boarders ..everything is acceptable in war

    7. With radicalization of indian general population and especially and importantly the elite war is Iinevitable ..

    8 china is emerging power. We need to ASAP strengthen people to people relationship with them. As ultimately this will matter

    9. Our elite liberal educated class doesnt understand the importance of strong military ..india will never backdown unless we give them GB and azad Kashmir ..does anyone believe otherwise?
     
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  2. hussain0216

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    The PAF did well especially shooting down indian jets but once the get Raphael it will be a step up

    We need to be prepared, replace as much legacy fighters with JF17s and plan properly
     
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  3. ziaulislam

    ziaulislam ELITE MEMBER

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    I will however call the current episode as political and diplomatic failure(due to negligence of economy and people to people contacts in last 30 years) and military sucess

    We should sell Pakistan and forget about selling "islam"
     
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    2 post and both intelligent and on the point hope the standards remain.Once this over we have to think for future not only raphael india will get S-400 next year but on the other side our hand tied down due to economic situation.Have to work on it as due to recent clash few things clear 1)we cant depend on others in region esp Afghanistan and Iran 2)China have to consider its own interest jumping in any such situation not viable for their global strategic purposes 3)India will do it again if not in few months than in few years but will do we have to get ready for it
     
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  5. ziaulislam

    ziaulislam ELITE MEMBER

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    Establishment has to set in to ensure economic terrorism doesn't happen
     
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    HRK PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

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    Always the same story .....
     
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    France said they stand with India

    Please next time bring down those Rafale
     
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    And, that too with a Mirage 3/5....
     
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    Pakistan must get wealthy. That is moral of the story. Then my friends the subcontinent is your oyster. You have all key ingredients to be a major power just need the cashflow.
     
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    economy need to be put back on track and hit india hard for any misadventure.

    We can fight india head to head because we have the required manpower but we lack active modernization program and in a decade or two the gap will be wide enough in favour of India.

    We need both quality and quantity
     
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    9 - PAFs rules of engagement(ROE) need to be changed. They allow India to get the initiative and force PAF to react, rather than stopping the issue stone cold dead. I hope PAF have learned their lesson and will change their ROE to fit the era we live in, and not some old dated notion of gentlmanly rules of the game.

    Alot of bother could have been saved, if the Indias were convinced that PAF WILL shoot them down.

    10 - More long range SAMs in the S400 class are required. PAF jets cannot be everywhere all the time. SAMs allow for a more persistent anti-aircraft denial capability.

    11 - PAF needs to increase the number of squadrons/aircraft she has. PAF needs be more top heavy when compared to PA or PN. Next incident will start in the air, just like this one. If PAF has more aircraft, then we can stop it in the air. if PAF are weak, then the issue could spread further afield.

    12 - I take back my comments about the ACM of PAF. He can keep his job. I do still think, he needs to visit action item 9 and formulate and execute a plan on those ideas.

    13 - Actionable deterrence deters India. The strike by PAF bought home the message to Modi & Co that everytime they have political issues, a "surgical strike" against Pakikst an is not the answer to get voters to vote for you. The question will Modi & Co risk SS3/4/5/6.. etc.. action items 10 and 11 will help deter for sure.
     
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  12. ziaulislam

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    14. We need english channel to at least keep our dispora in loop not everyone understand urdu
    15. We need an additional arabic and french channel
    Why does a YouTube channel with 50,000 HD camera is bettee than PTV with 3 b budget and the MD has payscale of 20lac..like wtf 20 lac why..does he put acahar?