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With his confidant moral stance, and emphasis on anti-corruption,
Lee Kuan Yew reminds me of Imran Khan.
I do hope Imran delivers like Lee Kuan Yew.

 

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With his confidant moral stance, and emphasis on anti-corruption,
Lee Kuan Yew reminds me of Imran Khan.
I do hope Imran delivers like Lee Kuan Yew.

Difference is, his people were firmly behind him. As you can see the officer reported the matter instead of taking bribe. Here everyone is for sale. Case in point, senate elections.
 

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Difference is, his people were firmly behind him. As you can see the officer reported the matter instead of taking bribe. Here everyone is for sale. Case in point, senate elections.
That's why you fight the fight, nothing in life comes easy, nor did any country ever develop without a struggle.
If he is fighting the right struggle and people are supporting him, and they are, because they did vote for him then we are on the right track.

Just the rest of us need to wake up.
 

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That's why you fight the fight, nothing in life comes easy, nor did any country ever develop without a struggle.
If he is fighting the right struggle and people are supporting him, and they are, because they did vote for him then we are on the right track.

Just the rest of us need to wake up.
Yes the struggle should continue but my fear is our people lack the intellectual capacity. They did vote for him and gave him a razor thin margin this time around, but their expectations of return are too high for Imran Khan to deliver on the short time they expected it. They want it all and they want it now.

Already many people are “regretting” voting for Imran for his “lack of delivery”. As far as they are concerned, they want Rome built over night.
 

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I do hope Imran delivers like Lee Kuan Yew.
I see your point. I also pick that influence of British education on both. But I hate saying this and you know I have been fan of IK for decades he will not be able to do what Lee did in Pakistan. This is nothing to do with lack of abilities on part of IK, indeed I think he has even more gravitas and presence than Lee.


But Lee built a new nation of migrant Chinese, migrant Indians and native Malays by literally copying the West. Singapore as a political entity is as Western as Australia. I can't make this point hard enough. Lee built a Western society on the foundation of ethnic Chinese and Indian migrants. This made his project easier. He did not have to worry about idealogies. The only goal was development and prosperity. You could even call the country the "Prosperous Republic of Singapore".
 

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I see your point. I also pick that influence of British education on both. But I hate saying this and you know I have been fan of IK for decades he will not be able to do what Lee did in Pakistan. This is nothing to do with lack of abilities on part of IK, indeed I think he has even more gravitas and presence than Lee.


But Lee built a new nation of migrant Chinese, migrant Indians and native Malays by literally copying the West. Singapore as a political entity is as Western as Australia. I can't make this point hard enough. Lee built a Western society on the foundation of ethnic Chinese and Indian migrants. This made his project easier. He did not have to worry about idealogies. The only goal was development and prosperity. You could even call the country the "Prosperous Republic of Singapore".
For sake of clarity, I do not support Imran Khan or anyone else, the only time I ever supported anyone was Nawaz Sharif during his first term in the early 1990s, but changed my stance to anyone who I believe is good for Pakistan, even it means the devil lol. But, Imran truly is an angle.

I understand your perspective, but it smells of transplantation, we are not talking about an exact replica, I'm certain you understand that each country has its own dynamics, as does Pakistan, so my hope isn't reliant on an exact replica as experienced by Singapore, but rather our own path by following the principles that are important to the Pakistani nationhood to get the same desired result achieved by Singapore.

I think we are very capable of that. Obviously, such things take time, hence the hope.
 

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For sake of clarity, I do not support Imran Khan or anyone else, the only time I ever supported anyone was Nawaz Sharif during his first term in the early 1990s, but changed my stance to anyone who I believe is good for Pakistan, even it means the devil lol. But, Imran truly is an angle.

I understand your perspective, but it smells of transplantation, we are not talking about an exact replica, I'm certain you understand that each country has its own dynamics, as does Pakistan, so my hope isn't reliant on an exact replica as experienced by Singapore, but rather our own path by following the principles that are important to the Pakistani nationhood to get the same desired result achieved by Singapore.

I think we are very capable of that. Obviously, such things take time, hence the hope.
Impressive reply. Really. If you don't mind me asking what job do you do?
 

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Impressive reply. Really. If you don't mind me asking what job do you do?
That's a secret lol, but it's nothing special, it pays the bills.
This is the first-ever forum I've joined, after over a decade of reading as an observer, because I was tired of certain arguments not being presented. And also, a preference for privacy, I don't even have an active Facebook account.

I had no plans to share anything here except my opinions, but I've only shared my photo because I've had few arguments with Indians who had shown their picture, so I do not want anyone to think that Pakistani hides behind his words, by not showing his face.

If you are able to send a direct communication I can share, briefly. My purpose isn't to hide. but because an argument very easily leads to who you are and where you are from and so on, hence I did want to limit my personal info. My purpose here is to argue or present the point, and nothing more, there are far too many here with weak minds and look for excuses. To be clear I'm not implying you are among them.
This is an honest reply. If you can send a direct message I can share, its nothing special, just a Pakistani who loves Pakistan, but has complicated relationships with Pakistanis themselves, and most of my friends are actually Indian lol
 

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With his confidant moral stance, and emphasis on anti-corruption,
Lee Kuan Yew reminds me of Imran Khan.
I do hope Imran delivers like Lee Kuan Yew.


SEPTEMBER 2, 1965.
US AIDES CONFIRM SINGAPORE CHARGE OF 1960 CIA. PLOT
Denial Is Labeled an Error After Prime Minister Lee Displays Rusk Apology

By. MAX FRANKEL Special to The New Yolk Times

WASHINGTON, Sept. 1—The State Department yielded to an accuser's evidence today and withdrew a denial of attempted espionage and bribery by the Central Intelligence Agency in Singapore five years ago.

In effect, the department confirmed a charge by Singapore Prime Minister, Lee Kuan Yew, that a C.I.A. agent had offered him a $3.3 million bribe to cover up an unsuccessful C.I.A. operation in 1960.

In the early months of the Kennedy Administration, the department conceded, Secretary of State Dean Rusk wrote a letter of apology to Mr. Lee. The letter took "a very serious view" of the activities of the previous Administration and indicated plans to discipline the offending intelligence agents.

Penalty Is Undisclosed

A spokesman refused today to say what action, if any, had been taken.

It was Prime Minister Lee's disclosure of the Rusk letter that prompted the State Department to withdraw its denial. Mr. Lee initially made his charge yesterday in listing several grievances against the United States.

He said that a C.I.A. man had been caught trying to buy information from Singapore intelligence officials and that the United States had then offered him $3.3 million for personal and political use if he would conceal the affair.

The Prime Minister said he had asked instead for $33 million in formal economic-development aid for Singapore. United States aid to all of Malaysia, the federation from which Singapore withdrew this summer, was $3.5 million in 1963 and $1 million in 1964.

Initial Denial Was Prompt

Mr. Lee's recollection of the incident drew immediate' denials from James D. Bell, the United States Ambassador to Malaysia, and several hours later from the State Department.

Robert J. McCloskey, the department's spokesmen, said yesterday: "First, we are surprised at these statements attributed to Prime Minister Lee. With respect to allegations of a C.I.A. involvement, we deny that allegation."

After Mr. Lee produced the letter from Secretary Rusk, dated April 15, 1961, and threatened to broadcast tape recordings to prove his charge, an embarrassed Mr, McCloskey corrected himself.

"Those who were consulted yesterday were not fully aware of the background of the incident, which occurred four and a half years ago," he said. He acknowledged Mr. Rusk's letter, without describing the "unfortunate incident" for which the Secretary has asked forgiveness. It was the same incident that Prime Minister Lee was talking about, Mr. McCloskey added.

Lee Angered by Denial
Special to The New York Times

SINGAPORE, Sept. 1—Washington's denial of Singapore's charge against the C.I.A. aroused Prime Minister Lee to anger today.

Escorting reporters into his office, he angrily jerked out files stamped "top secret." Pressing the Rusk letter into an American correspondent's face, he said, "The Americans stupidly deny the undeniable."

Like 'Goldfinger'

"If the Americans go on denying," he said, " I will have to disclose further details, which may sound like James Bond and Goldfinger, only not as good, but putrid and grotesque enough. It will do them no good and our future relations no good."

Prime Minister Lee's press secretary, Li Vei Chin, said the Americans' $3 million bribe offer was made in January, 1961, before President Kennedy took office. He said Mr. Kennedy had inherited the problem and "to his credit" ruled that no money would be given "under the counter." Compensation would be given publicly instead, as foreign aid, according to Mr. Li's account of the Kennedy decision.

Prime Minister Lee had full reports and documents relating to the incident, including transcripts of tape recordings, interrogations and meetings.

"If they continue denying it, I will play some of these tapes on Singapore radio," Mr. Lee added. "If they continue to repeat the denial, I will have to disclose who the intermediary was, and very high circles would be greatly embarrassed."

He added: "The Americans should know the character of the men they are dealing with in Singapore and not get themselves further dragged into calumny. They are not dealing with Ngo Dinh Diem or Syngman Rhee. You do not buy and sell this Government."
 

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I see your point. I also pick that influence of British education on both. But I hate saying this and you know I have been fan of IK for decades he will not be able to do what Lee did in Pakistan. This is nothing to do with lack of abilities on part of IK, indeed I think he has even more gravitas and presence than Lee.


But Lee built a new nation of migrant Chinese, migrant Indians and native Malays by literally copying the West. Singapore as a political entity is as Western as Australia. I can't make this point hard enough. Lee built a Western society on the foundation of ethnic Chinese and Indian migrants. This made his project easier. He did not have to worry about idealogies. The only goal was development and prosperity. You could even call the country the "Prosperous Republic of Singapore".
Absolutely wrong. LKY system for Singapore is totally different against western. It's autocratic despite having election and so called democracy. Opponent of him and challenging his system are painted as communist and jailed with bogus trial with all judge under his control. Singapore had no jury system and all is under the control of judge. Media is tightly control and had no freedom to broadcast what they feel like.

I will say Singapore is more like communist north korea under him.
 

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Pity a lot more Singapore government got bribe since then, only nobody found out. This is why they are anti China.
Singapore is not really anti China but they are more align to american due to deeper military ties and economy depends on US.

But China global influence are stronger everyday with huge investment in Singapore

The recent naval exercise between Singapore and China during such sensitive times prove Singapore try to stand neutral between US and China fight.

It just like New Zealand trying to be neutral between US and China.
 
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