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For the love of god its *kabuli
We will have to follow draft by the Source and then members can discuss the same in other prospects.

In 1989, as Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan, another Pakistan-sponsored insurgency flourished as resistance to Indian rule in Kashmir flared. The battle in Jammu and Kashmir, a border region long disputed by India and Pakistan, has linked its fate with Afghanistan—and Kabul is still caught in the crossfire between Islamabad and New Delhi.

Since New Delhi revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir in August and began a sweeping clampdown, there have been many reports of Kabul’s support for India’s approach to Kashmir. But while Afghan public opinion is generally hostile to Pakistan, the position on Kashmir is muddled, changing and not entirely favorable to New Delhi. These divergent perspectives not only have implications for the country’s future but also reveal the limits of India’s influence in the region despite its long-standing soft-power campaign to shape public perception in its favor.


India’s soft power is touted as a key factor in its relationship with Afghanistan. India is one of Afghanistan’s largest donors and has supported the investment of several key infrastructure projects, including the financing of Kabul’s new parliament building. Indian cultural exports like Bollywood influence the mindset of Afghanistan’s youth, helping to cement the long-standing ties between the two countries. As such, Afghans generally perceive New Delhi as a stabilizing force in the region. In contrast, because of Pakistan’s military’s relationship with the Taliban and other Afghan militants, along with ongoing hostility and clashes along the border, Afghans are more apt to view Pakistan negatively. Large scale anti-Pakistan protests, such as the ones in 2014 and 2017, illuminate this.

On Aug. 5, Jammu and Kashmir lost the nominally autonomous status it was granted on being ceded to India in 1947. To enforce the move, New Delhi sent an additional 38,000 Indian security forces into the region, severed all forms of communication, and arrested top Kashmiri politicians. As the lockdown continued, several Pakistani policymakers were quick to link the issue to then-ongoing peace talks in Afghanistan between the United States and the Taliban, seeking to persuade Western policymakers to put pressure on India.

Both Kabul and the Taliban rebuked this linkage, emphasizing the bilateral nature of the Kashmir conflict. Former Afghan intelligence director Amrullah Saleh was quick to side with India and tweeted that India alone holds the power to change the status of Kashmir. He accused Pakistan of producing “brain washed Madrasa terrorists” who killed Afghan civilians “just because they are not anti India.”

In contrast to many who view the Afghan Taliban as purely a Pakistani military proxy, the Taliban’s statement on Aug. 8 that urged India and Pakistan to exercise restraint was surprisingly neutral, reflecting its prioritization of national issues over international Muslim solidarity. “The Taliban have always claimed to be a nationalist movement. … They usually do not comment on other countries’ oppression of Muslims, apart from some vague statements of saying they want freedom for all Muslims,” said Mohammed Harun Arsalai, an Afghanistan-based journalist and co-founder of Documenting Afghanistan.

The positions of political actors in Afghanistan have ranged from neutral to explicitly pro-India, primarily for India’s support for the Afghan government as well as anti-Pakistan animus.

The positions of political actors in Afghanistan have ranged from neutral to explicitly pro-India, primarily for India’s support for the Afghan government as well as anti-Pakistan animus. But our discussions with journalists and Afghans in the region show the popular reaction is decidedly more nuanced. Many working-class Afghans, drawing from their own experiences of conflict and oppression, identify with Kashmir’s Muslims. This perception is understandable, as Arsalai said: “People who have seen a lot of the [ongoing] war understand oppression in a very real way.”


Yet, although many Afghans are sympathetic to the Kashmiri cause, the regional power dynamics muddle the popular discourse. As with pro-India elites, there is a palpable anger among some middle- and working-class Afghans at Islamabad’s continued interference in their country, compounded by violent border skirmishes and the mistreatment of the Pashtun minority in Pakistan. This negative perception of Islamabad has led some Afghans to side with India on any issue that is anti-Pakistan, sometimes to an extent that discernibly downplays or even whitewashes India’s actions in Kashmir.

Arif Khan (a pseudonym), a taxi driver and former 1980s mujahideen fighter based in Kabul, relayed a similar sentiment to us. He sympathized with the Kashmiris for what they experienced and often wished that the mujahideen continued to Kashmir to help liberate it from Indian rule. But when asked about the situation in Kashmir today, he said, “This all has to do with Pakistan. Pakistan is meddling there and here. They’re keeping our country behind and holding Afghanistan back and using the country as a funneling route for weapons, drugs, and other things.”

This geopolitical interpretation of the Kashmir issue seems to be popular among the Afghan diaspora, but their more nuanced take is perhaps a reflection of their experiences of leaving the conflict-ridden country and looking at the issue from a distance. Suraia Sahar, an Afghan Canadian activist who works extensively with the Afghan diaspora and refugee communities, said Afghans are generally supportive of Kashmiris but also understand that both India and Pakistan are meddling to advance their own interests in Afghanistan. She added: “Any honest discourse will recognize both states as threats to the autonomy of neighboring regions. … On one hand, we can see Pakistan’s insincerity in human rights advocacy with their brutal treatment of Baloch and Pashtuns. But India’s cruel policies targeting Muslims in India foreshadows what’s to come for Kashmiris.”

Afghans are closely watching the actions of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government in Kashmir and throughout the region. That should be a reality check for New Delhi; its courting of Afghan opinion can only go so far. India may have the funding and power to shape public opinion and support in Afghanistan, but it will take much more to overcome growing mistrust.

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Not that I give a shit about Afghans and hope they die and suffer but this article was interesting to read.. The cognitive dissonance of Afghans. Also , there is no guarantee that taliban are with Pakistan... I always saw them with skeptical eyes. Taliban are still Afghans and hence unreliable and snakes.
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Even if they were born in Pakistan or lived all their life in Pakistan, once they go to another country, they have nothing but hatred for Pakistan. They blame Pakistan for all the problems in Afghanistan. They love India and hate Pakistan.

Government must deport Afghan trouble makers (or anyone involved in any crime or has Anti-Pakistan views), Fence the border, no entry into Pakistan without visa and background check.
Look its wrong to generalize everyone when u know nothing. Dont believe the online crap, most indians pose as afghans and abuse Pakistan.
There is already no entry in Pakistan without visa, those were the USSR days when we opened borders. I know many afghns living and born in Pakistan and they hate india and love Pakistan.
Do u know the afghans living in Pakistan since decades, having huge businesses and providing jobs to ppl, they are only given 6 months visa and to renew that visa, they have to cross back to Afghanistan, reapply, get visa and then come back. Even western countries don't have such strict visa regimes. They are charged for visa and they have to go back and forth every 6 months.
Do u know once IK announced nationality for those afghans born in Pakistan, the afghans living here were dancing n waving pak flags. They said if Pakistan gives us nationality, we ll give even our lives for Pakistan.
If western countries with no religious or ethnic similarity can give nationality to so many indians, Pakistanis etc then why cant we give nationality to them?? This will make them invest in Pakistan, pay taxes and work for the country.
Afghanistan currently is under a puppet govt that does not represent majority. The recent election turn out was 19%, means 81℅ voters did not vote. How is that a legitimate govt? Even results not announced after weeks lolz. Just coz india is backing them, we cannot make the whole afghans hate us by generalizing them.
If we can differentiate between RSS hindutva extremist indians and sikhs and south indians... Then why are we unable to differentiate between western/indian stooges in Afghanistan and the real afghans who want freedom and are fighting occupation.
 

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Look its wrong to generalize everyone when u know nothing. Dont believe the online crap, most indians pose as afghans and abuse Pakistan.
There is already no entry in Pakistan without visa, those were the USSR days when we opened borders. I know many afghns living and born in Pakistan and they hate india and love Pakistan.
Do u know the afghans living in Pakistan since decades, having huge businesses and providing jobs to ppl, they are only given 6 months visa and to renew that visa, they have to cross back to Afghanistan, reapply, get visa and then come back. Even western countries don't have such strict visa regimes. They are charged for visa and they have to go back and forth every 6 months.
Do u know once IK announced nationality for those afghans born in Pakistan, the afghans living here were dancing n waving pak flags. They said if Pakistan gives us nationality, we ll give even our lives for Pakistan.
If western countries with no religious or ethnic similarity can give nationality to so many indians, Pakistanis etc then why cant we give nationality to them?? This will make them invest in Pakistan, pay taxes and work for the country.
Afghanistan currently is under a puppet govt that does not represent majority. The recent election turn out was 19%, means 81℅ voters did not vote. How is that a legitimate govt? Even results not announced after weeks lolz. Just coz india is backing them, we cannot make the whole afghans hate us by generalizing them.
If we can differentiate between RSS hindutva extremist indians and sikhs and south indians... Then why are we unable to differentiate between western/indian stooges in Afghanistan and the real afghans who want freedom and are fighting occupation.
I am only talking about Afghani living outside Pakistan. I have spoken to many of them and all of them hate Pakistan and Pakistani Army.

I have already written extensively about Afghani living in Pakistan. In my opinion both 1st and 2nd generation Afghani should be integrated into our society. As I have mentioned before (see my previous post on this issue), work/business permit should be issues to them and process of legalization should be initiated by issuing Permanent resident card (PRC) for 5 years before granting them citizenship. This will allow them to have NIC which will show that they have PRC. This whole process of checks and balance including economic factors have already been mentioned in my previous posts.
 

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I bet , once Taliban gets in power. They will too bail on Pakistan and refocus their attack on Pakistan. Remember, they don't accept durand line and are neutral or slightly pro-India. If it goes by anything , they will too forget the benevolence of Pakistan just like rest of Afghan population.
This is simply false, and nothing but fear-mongering and misinformation.

They had the chance many times to join with India against us, and supported our interests even when Musharraf stabbed them in the back.

For Pakistan, they are reliable allies and a stabilizing force in Afghanistan.
 

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Afghans have lost trust in Indians since Feb 27th.They saw Indians cower back after their jets and a heli got dropped out of sky. Afghans can be anti-Pakistan they can be idiots but they are definitely not cheerleaders of cowardice.
 
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but i still don't agree with the tiny red part at the bottom, forgot the name again. Instead want the rest of Balochistan

They are legally part of Pakistan. The nawab of junagad signed all legal documents in 1947 to become part of Pakistan. Then it was illegally occupied by india. Also yes balochistan should be entirely Pakistani. The balochis in iran are harassed and mistreated anyways. For being Sunnis.
 

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In 1989, as Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan, another Pakistan-sponsored insurgency flourished as resistance to Indian rule in Kashmir flared. The battle in Jammu and Kashmir, a border region long disputed by India and Pakistan, has linked its fate with Afghanistan—and Kabul is still caught in the crossfire between Islamabad and New Delhi.

Since New Delhi revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir in August and began a sweeping clampdown, there have been many reports of Kabul’s support for India’s approach to Kashmir. But while Afghan public opinion is generally hostile to Pakistan, the position on Kashmir is muddled, changing and not entirely favorable to New Delhi. These divergent perspectives not only have implications for the country’s future but also reveal the limits of India’s influence in the region despite its long-standing soft-power campaign to shape public perception in its favor.


India’s soft power is touted as a key factor in its relationship with Afghanistan. India is one of Afghanistan’s largest donors and has supported the investment of several key infrastructure projects, including the financing of Kabul’s new parliament building. Indian cultural exports like Bollywood influence the mindset of Afghanistan’s youth, helping to cement the long-standing ties between the two countries. As such, Afghans generally perceive New Delhi as a stabilizing force in the region. In contrast, because of Pakistan’s military’s relationship with the Taliban and other Afghan militants, along with ongoing hostility and clashes along the border, Afghans are more apt to view Pakistan negatively. Large scale anti-Pakistan protests, such as the ones in 2014 and 2017, illuminate this.

On Aug. 5, Jammu and Kashmir lost the nominally autonomous status it was granted on being ceded to India in 1947. To enforce the move, New Delhi sent an additional 38,000 Indian security forces into the region, severed all forms of communication, and arrested top Kashmiri politicians. As the lockdown continued, several Pakistani policymakers were quick to link the issue to then-ongoing peace talks in Afghanistan between the United States and the Taliban, seeking to persuade Western policymakers to put pressure on India.

Both Kabul and the Taliban rebuked this linkage, emphasizing the bilateral nature of the Kashmir conflict. Former Afghan intelligence director Amrullah Saleh was quick to side with India and tweeted that India alone holds the power to change the status of Kashmir. He accused Pakistan of producing “brain washed Madrasa terrorists” who killed Afghan civilians “just because they are not anti India.”

In contrast to many who view the Afghan Taliban as purely a Pakistani military proxy, the Taliban’s statement on Aug. 8 that urged India and Pakistan to exercise restraint was surprisingly neutral, reflecting its prioritization of national issues over international Muslim solidarity. “The Taliban have always claimed to be a nationalist movement. … They usually do not comment on other countries’ oppression of Muslims, apart from some vague statements of saying they want freedom for all Muslims,” said Mohammed Harun Arsalai, an Afghanistan-based journalist and co-founder of Documenting Afghanistan.

The positions of political actors in Afghanistan have ranged from neutral to explicitly pro-India, primarily for India’s support for the Afghan government as well as anti-Pakistan animus.

The positions of political actors in Afghanistan have ranged from neutral to explicitly pro-India, primarily for India’s support for the Afghan government as well as anti-Pakistan animus. But our discussions with journalists and Afghans in the region show the popular reaction is decidedly more nuanced. Many working-class Afghans, drawing from their own experiences of conflict and oppression, identify with Kashmir’s Muslims. This perception is understandable, as Arsalai said: “People who have seen a lot of the [ongoing] war understand oppression in a very real way.”


Yet, although many Afghans are sympathetic to the Kashmiri cause, the regional power dynamics muddle the popular discourse. As with pro-India elites, there is a palpable anger among some middle- and working-class Afghans at Islamabad’s continued interference in their country, compounded by violent border skirmishes and the mistreatment of the Pashtun minority in Pakistan. This negative perception of Islamabad has led some Afghans to side with India on any issue that is anti-Pakistan, sometimes to an extent that discernibly downplays or even whitewashes India’s actions in Kashmir.

Arif Khan (a pseudonym), a taxi driver and former 1980s mujahideen fighter based in Kabul, relayed a similar sentiment to us. He sympathized with the Kashmiris for what they experienced and often wished that the mujahideen continued to Kashmir to help liberate it from Indian rule. But when asked about the situation in Kashmir today, he said, “This all has to do with Pakistan. Pakistan is meddling there and here. They’re keeping our country behind and holding Afghanistan back and using the country as a funneling route for weapons, drugs, and other things.”

This geopolitical interpretation of the Kashmir issue seems to be popular among the Afghan diaspora, but their more nuanced take is perhaps a reflection of their experiences of leaving the conflict-ridden country and looking at the issue from a distance. Suraia Sahar, an Afghan Canadian activist who works extensively with the Afghan diaspora and refugee communities, said Afghans are generally supportive of Kashmiris but also understand that both India and Pakistan are meddling to advance their own interests in Afghanistan. She added: “Any honest discourse will recognize both states as threats to the autonomy of neighboring regions. … On one hand, we can see Pakistan’s insincerity in human rights advocacy with their brutal treatment of Baloch and Pashtuns. But India’s cruel policies targeting Muslims in India foreshadows what’s to come for Kashmiris.”

Afghans are closely watching the actions of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government in Kashmir and throughout the region. That should be a reality check for New Delhi; its courting of Afghan opinion can only go so far. India may have the funding and power to shape public opinion and support in Afghanistan, but it will take much more to overcome growing mistrust.

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Not that I give a shit about Afghans and hope they die and suffer but this article was interesting to read.. The cognitive dissonance of Afghans. Also , there is no guarantee that taliban are with Pakistan... I always saw them with skeptical eyes. Taliban are still Afghans and hence unreliable and snakes.
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this is wake up call who think afGOONs are our friends.... they were never our friends.

Only those bafoons (some who are on Pak Def we know who they are ) who believe General Zia's PTV stories think so...

Glad most Pakistanis on this forum are sane, and not all of them think like you.

Correct Pakistanis are sane but pity about 99% of your nation.

Afghans have lost trust in Indians since Feb 27th.They saw Indians cower back after their jets and a heli got dropped out of sky. Afghans can be anti-Pakistan they can be idiots but they are definitely not cheerleaders of cowardice.

funny when the AfGOON air force went up against Pakistan ... they just surrendered fully armed planes.
 

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this is wake up call who think afGOONs are our friends.... they were never our friends.

Only those bafoons (some who are on Pak Def we know who they are ) who believe General Zia's PTV stories think so...




Correct Pakistanis are sane but pity about 99% of your nation.




funny when the AfGOON air force went up against Pakistan ... they just surrendered fully armed planes.
I was talking about pashtuns(Afghan) not the USSR mix breed from 80s which could be anyone. Remember, Afghan is just a historic reference.There was no Afghanistan prior to 18th century, it was a small pashtun tribe and nothing more.
 

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talibans already in contact with indian indian government thanks to irani government.pakistan should better behave aggressively and we should tell taliban clearly that contacts with india is unacceptable.
 

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this is wake up call who think afGOONs are our friends.... they were never our friends.

Only those bafoons (some who are on Pak Def we know who they are ) who believe General Zia's PTV stories think so...




Correct Pakistanis are sane but pity about 99% of your nation.




funny when the AfGOON air force went up against Pakistan ... they just surrendered fully armed planes.
Do you want enemies on all sides? So far India is Pakistan's true enemy, Iran is not on complete good terms with Pakistan (perhaps some Pakistanis here can prove me wrong), do you also want us to be hostile towards you, do you want hostilities on all sides? Don't tell me your only ally in the region is going to be China, do you think they will be a true ally in times of war, especially the way they are treating Uyghurs...
 

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*******Do you want enemies on all sides?*******

RE: The question is due you really want Pakistan as an enemy?...

What if tomorrow Imran Khan goes and a unsympathetic leader to afGOONs nation comes to power and decides..

- kicks all the 3 million back to the hole the came from
- blocks all air and land routes

etc

then what are you going to do?... call 800 MODI ? and what will modi do?.. send in the IAF?

The irrational behaviour comes from afGOONs. You bark like dogs about cross border terrorism yet you squeel like like a bombay whore when our army mines and fences borders. become quite as mouse when 6 motherphuckers from afGOONistan and murder 150 women and children in Pakistan.



****So far India is Pakistan's true enemy,*****

RE: and it's puppets or vassel states like afGOONistan and Bangloodesh

***** Iran is not on complete good terms with Pakistan *******

RE: Our relationship with Iran is cordial and sensible. The problems like border issues we have are our worked out by our militaries like grown up adults..

it isnt like afGOONistan where ENDians order you to bark like 247....



*****, do you also want us to be hostile towards you,******

RE: You must be living under a rock, hostility comes from you side, we just react to it.

Hostile to us?...lol

with out us you would be drinking vodkas and your women serving as maid to the Russians. with out us US wouldnt be negotiating a peace treaty. dont kid your self with out us you would not be able to fight out of a paper bag.

afGOON military in all it;s form is world class joke...


*****Don't tell me your only ally in the region is going to be China, do you think they will be a true ally in times of war, especially the way they are treating Uyghurs...****

RE: if afGOONistan and Pakistan would ever have a war we would just carpet bomb you to the pre stone ages...

dont worry about world opinion no body really cares about you lot.
 

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