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Posted above. But feel free to overlook truth. Just like you folks do to worship Iron Brother on this forum.



Do you have actual referenced sources and evidence that corroborate your claims? Not just video clips that can easily be manipulated.
 

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Do you have actual referenced sources and evidence that corroborate your claims? Not just video clips that can easily be manipulated.
Then those sources will also just be Western propaganda to malign Iron Brother(your common line of thought in Iron Brother threads).
 

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Then those sources will also just be Western propaganda to malign Iron Brother(your common line of thought in Iron Brother threads).



But those sources ALSO claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. Do you expect me to believe that too?......... :disagree:
 

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Do you have actual referenced sources and evidence that corroborate your claims? Not just video clips that can easily be manipulated.
Also videos I did post are from credible news sources not some crazy gangu media. One is even archived video of the girls being assaulted physically.

There are news articles but they will be are arhived buried deep somewhere on the internet or libraries. But just how today LA Times, WSJ, NYT, Guardian etc write about how Erdoğan endangers democracy and secularism in Turkiye, how Islam is growing again in Turkey, how hijabs were unbanned. Similarly they used to write and boast how "their man" was undoing Islam and the wretched Caliphate taht impeded their Zionist and otherwise designs.

Here's even an article that says Azan in arabic is a reminder how Turkey is more Islamist by LA Times.
But those sources ALSO claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. Do you expect me to believe that too?......... :disagree:
Yeah this line suites @beijingwalker more than you.

My beloved brother in Quran Surah al Baqarah is the longest surah. It talks about jews in details. It says how the Rahib and the ruhbaan of both jews and christian knew Prophet Muhammad alai salam in their hearts to be the true Prophet, they knew the haqq but for worldly gain decided to stand with baatil.

So, haqq is before you choose to believe what you want to believe. Your reality will be what you want to believe. And we will be judged based on our realities.
Also if you notice wherever the news sources of today write about Turkey they include the word Islamist or militant right next to it.
 
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Also videos I did post are from credible news sources not some crazy gangu media. One is even archived video of the girls being assaulted physically.

There are news articles but they will be are arhived buried deep somewhere on the internet or libraries. But just how today LA Times, WSJ, NYT, Guardian etc write about how Erdoğan endangers democracy and secularism in Turkiye, how Islam is growing again in Turkey, how hijabs were unbanned. Similarly they used to write and boast how "their man" was undoing Islam and the wretched Caliphate taht impeded their Zionist and otherwise designs.

Here's even an article that says Azan in arabic is a reminder how Turkey is more Islamist by LA Times.

Yeah this line suites @beijingwalker more than you.

My beloved brother in Quran Surah al Baqarah is the longest surah. It talks about jews in details. It says how the Rahib and the ruhbaan of both jews and christian knew Prophet Muhammad alai salam in their hearts to be the true Prophet, they knew the haqq but for worldly gain decided to stand with baatil.

So, haqq is before you choose to believe what you want to believe. Your reality will be what you want to believe. And we will be judged based on our realities.
Also if you notice wherever the news sources of today write about Turkey they include the word Islamist or militant right next to it.


But that's the truth.

La times and nyt times claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. A lie that led to deaths of over a million Iraqis. You don't seem to bothered by the americans having genocide the Iraqis. So now according to you we have to believe anti-Chinese propaganda by these SAME americans?.............. :disagree:
 

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Lo bhai ye pari hai tumhari Ataturkism
Lol are you actually quoting TRT? The propaganda channel?

Look,I might be Greek and either with Kemalist Nationalism,Panturkism Paganist Turan followers or Islamists,the Turks still want to eat us for breakfast,but...
it is only objectively and historically fair to say that Ataturk was a great leader for them. He basically rebirthed their nation and took them by the hand to modernity. We may have been enemies and fought against him and he may have been tough and his ministers cruel against us,but the man had a vision for his nation. He brought Turkey into the new reality of politics and the 20th century. The alphabet,the secular aspects,the army,the reforms. Where was Turkey going for the last 50-80 years with the Sultans? And I am a monarchist myself,but you gotta see the whole picture.
 
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But that's the truth.

La times and nyt times claimed that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. A lie that led to deaths of over a million Iraqis. You don't seem to bothered by the americans having genocide the Iraqis. So now according to you we have to believe anti-Chinese propaganda by these SAME americans?.............. :disagree:
Man, you are a confused person ! In the other thread you were being so happy that the superhuman Taliban ( mullahs basically ) supposedly defeated NATO and here you are being sad about the deaths of Iraqis who were governed by a Socialist system. Both the Taliban and NATO are enemies of Socialism / Leftism. Make up your mind.
 

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Lol are you actually quoting TRT? The propaganda channel?

Look,I might be Greek and either with Kemalist Nationalism,Panturkism Paganist Turan followers or Islamists,the Turks still want to eat us for breakfast,but...
it is only objectively and historically fair to say that Ataturk was a great leader for the Turks. He basically rebirthed their nation and took them by the hand to modernity. We may have been enemies and fought against him and he may have been tough and his ministers cruel against us,but the man had a vision for his nation. He brought Turkey into the new reality of politics and the 20th century. The alphabet,the secular aspects,the army,the reforms. Where was Turkey going for the last 50-80 years with the Sultans? And I am a monarchist myself,but you gotta see the whole picture.
Yeah you're MMM-E for sure.
 

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Lol are you actually quoting TRT? The propaganda channel?

Look,I might be Greek and either with Kemalist Nationalism,Panturkism Paganist Turan followers or Islamists,the Turks still want to eat us for breakfast,but...
it is only objectively and historically fair to say that Ataturk was a great leader for them. He basically rebirthed their nation and took them by the hand to modernity. We may have been enemies and fought against him and he may have been tough and his ministers cruel against us,but the man had a vision for his nation. He brought Turkey into the new reality of politics and the 20th century. The alphabet,the secular aspects,the army,the reforms. Where was Turkey going for the last 50-80 years with the Sultans? And I am a monarchist myself,but you gotta see the whole picture.
Not watching the video but can guess what it's said.
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Christian/Freemason/Agent
MKA hated Islam
MKA banned the burqa.
MKA destroyed Mosques
MKA drank the blood of Palestinian children.

Turkiye translates to "Land of Turks". The Ummah Caliphate did not work. was useless. Just as it is now. MKA clearly knew what millions knew at the time.
 

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No he was not. The language he used was Kemalist/Turk nationalist. AKP folks are not like that.
He sometimes exalted Erdogan. I don't have a screenshot of that,but I do have some where he bragged about "Mavi Vatan" which is an AKP policy. He kept going on and on in the party line often.
 

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Not watching the video but can guess what it's said.
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Christian/Freemason/Agent
MKA hated Islam
MKA banned the burqa.
MKA destroyed Mosques
MKA drank the blood of Palestinian children.

Turkiye translates to "Land of Turks". The Ummah Caliphate did not work. was useless. Just as it is now. MKA clearly knew what millions knew at the time.
No that is not what it says. It is actually quite factual historically. Since the Kemalists consider TRT(when AKP controlled) to be Satan and CNN Turk god then I guess we're at an impasse.

Yes the sultanate was weak. But did millions of people, Pashas and local warlords really want what MKA delivered in the end in a draconian harsh manner? Did the Kurds really fight to be made/painted into pariahs? Why erase the several pashas fighting alongside him from the pages of history?

Even before all this. In Ottoman times the Sultans faced continuous coup attempts by the Janissary corps. Who were exceptional, amazing fighters but in modern times had become increasingly greedy, coruot and ineffective at the battlefield.
 
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No that is not what it says. It is actually quite factual historically. Since the Kemalists consider TRT(when AKP controlled) to be Satan and CNN Turk god then I guess we're at an impasse.

Yes the sultanate was weak. But did millions of people, Pashas and local warlords really want what MKA delivered in the end in a draconian harsh manner? Did the Kurds really fight to be made/painted into pariahs? Why erase the several pashas fighting alongside him from the pages of history?

Even before all this. In Ottoman times the Sultans faced continuous coup attempts by the Janissary corps. Who were exceptional, amazing fighters but in modern times had become increasingly greedy, coruot and ineffective at the battlefield.
For most Islamist, the problem is MKA did not have beard, lets be honest. It's alien for them. Unless his name is Lawrence and from England :lol::lol:
 

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What did Erdy try to achieve by cancelling Ataturk's order for Aya-Sofya? To gain more votes from the Islamists and defy the Kemalists. This man will order the portrait of Kemal to be taken down,at some point.
 

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