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I agree on one thing. Karachi can explode but for a different reason. The political vacuum left by MQM-L has not been filled. I dont know if Jamat e islami will do it, but situation is not good.

This is what pains me, Kartarpur is completed as a national security project within a year for those who violated muslims inside mosques - cannot say more - while nation's largest city still awaits for a high level decision to change its fate.

My humble solution is simple. Make another city in Sindh around Keti Bandar ( the project already exists by the name of Zulfiqarabad) with a proper sea, and int'l air port and a PAF or PN base. Make it the capital eventually. Dont like the name change it to Mehran.

Sadly, Pakistan establishment didn't pay any attention even though Zardari did try to lure DHA developers into this project. He probably was thinking the same as I am. Karachi is the only bank available to loot and plus its a capital. Anyone who craves power will never let it go unless a new pie is introduced.

With that said, Gwadar must be developed ASAP, so Karachi's burden can be shared and people move from big cities to Gwadar.

My two cents.
 

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I agree on one thing. Karachi can explode but for a different reason. The political vacuum left by MQM-L has not been filled. I dont know if Jamat e islami will do it, but situation is not good.

This is what pains me, Kartarpur is completed as a national security project within a year for those who violated muslims inside mosques - cannot say more - while nation's largest city still awaits for a high level decision to change its fate.

My humble solution is simple. Make another city in Sindh around Keti Bandar ( the project already exists by the name of Zulfiqarabad) with a proper sea, and int'l air port and a PAF or PN base. Make it the capital eventually. Dont like the name change it to Mehran.

Sadly, Pakistan establishment didn't pay any attention even though Zardari did try to lure DHA developers into this project. He probably was thinking the same as I am. Karachi is the only bank available to loot and plus its a capital. Anyone who craves power will never let it go unless a new pie is introduced.

With that said, Gwadar must be developed ASAP, so Karachi's burden can be shared and people move from big cities to Gwadar.

My two cents.
abolish Dha and military inc thaika workers organization being part of it and Pakistans political and economic scenario will change! Military incs maafad parast policies destroyed Pakistan in 71 and guess who was the minion who destroyed Pakistan in 71 a bhutto and this time again the maafad pasands are using a bhutto/zardari to destroy Pakistan!!

these power greedy mafad pasand chors can never change! lakin gadar kon in choorun ko choor bolnay walla lols!
 

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Instead of making it an ethnic conflict like Altaf, just admit that Karachi should be separate from Sindh and its feudal culture, one of the many blessings of PPP. I honestly don't give a **** if interior Sindhis want to lick zardari and their local landlord's boots, but Karachi wants nothing to do with PPP and should be allowed to disassociate itself from them, for the good of the city, and country.
 

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Instead of making it an ethnic conflict like Altaf, just admit that Karachi should be separate from Sindh and its feudal culture, one of the many blessings of PPP. I honestly don't give a **** if interior Sindhis want to lick zardari and their local landlord's boots, but Karachi wants nothing to do with PPP and should be allowed to disassociate itself from them, for the good of the city, and country.
getting rid of ppp is not the solution Khi or Pakistan in generla if Pakistan wants to become free progressive and powerful needs to find a way that cna replace the current minion system successful run by pindi and find a way to allow illicit fauji activities,expansion of qabza mafia dha,award yearly thaikas to substandard workers organization another mafia, and never ask for tax from other fauni incs businesses! then only we can get rid of zardaris and nawaz!
 

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We need to revert to good old unitary government system prior to 1973 with counties/communes/districts by dissolving all the provinces in Pakistan. It will also effectively make the steps of turning Karachi into a 'federally administered area' unnecessary. ZA Bhutto had introduced this toxic provincial system in order to further disintegrate Pakistan by encouraging ethnic conflicts and separatist movements.
 
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This thread will take a look at what is probably the greatest threat to the Pakistan federation over the next few decades and what can be done to reduce the risks involved. I begin with a quick summary of Sindh which is a province in south east of Pakistan with Karachi as it's capital.


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  • Sindh was the crucible of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization centred around Mohenjo Daro
  • Sindh was the first region to get Islamic rule in South Asia
  • Sindh was a emirate ruled by Talpurs prior to the conquest and annexation into British India in 1843.
  • Sindh after British conquest was lumped with their Bombay Presidency.
  • Sindh got it's own identity back in 1937 with Karachi as the capital of the province.
  • Sindh assembly was the first British Indian legislature to pass the resolution in favour of Pakistan
  • Sindh was the primary outlet to global sealanes for all of Pakistan on account of having coast on Arabian Sea.

All this tells us how important Sindh was in the making of Pakistan [note it was Sindh Provincial Assembly in 1940 in Karachi which became first provincial legislature for creation of Pakistan] but also it's port on the mouth of the Indus River on the Arabian Sea was the only port for all of Pakistan going north as far as Peshawar, Gilgit, Islamabad, Lahore.

Karachi by 1940 was premier city of what would become Pakistan and had the second highest population after Lahore.
Ever since 1880s and the British rail construction that linked Karachi port with the north the city had grown in size and wealth. Grand buildings which still stand today allude to this era. It became proably the most cleanest city in British Raj.
By 1940 it had nearly 500,000 population. Various trading communities got attracted to it. However after 1947 it's population exploded with migration from India who were refugees from Hindu mobs or economic migrants and attracted to the opportunities Karachi offered.

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It is important to note that migration from India continued well past 1947. Indeed more migrants came from India post 1948 to Karachi then in 1947. In fact right till 1956 nine years after Pakistan came into being more migrants were moving to Karachi from India then internal migrants from rest of Pakistan. In the tables below please note "in migrants" means migration from within territory of Pakistan and "immigrants" means migrants from India. The total number of migrants from India in 1947 and partition was 502,000. From 1948 to 1955 [seven years after partition] over 570,000 migrants came from India. This means majority of the community today that is called Mohajir [migrants from India] moved to Pakistan after the country was established in 1947 and many came half a dozen years later. Table below annotated with period 1948-1955 in green.


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Only by 1956 nearly decade after independance do we see reduction in immigrants from India that drops below the in-migration [from native Pakistan] at 15,000 compared to 22,000. By this stage the city had gone through profound change in it's demographic make. Indian migrants in less than 3 years had become dominant in numbers. The capital of Sindh had in effect become estranged from it's own province. The scene had been set for future ethnic conflict.

It is also relevant that the mass immigrant wave from India had no intention to assimiliate within the larger Sindhi umbrella they had sought refuge under. They instead carved a 'colony' similiar to how the British used to do with their cantonments. Indeed Sindhi's were expected to follow the culture of the migrants [mohajirs] with the convenient tool of "Islam". Which all too often was a culture they defined.

This demographic 'inversion" that took place in Karachi within few years after 1947 which turned Sindh's capital into "Little India" can best be seen in the graph below which charts the general population increase of other region/cities of Pakistan. The line marked green shows quite clearly the increase is conspiciously steep in Karachi that reflects the tidal wave of migration from India. Lahore had traditionally been the largest city in the Pakistan territory. However by 1951 Karachi had overtaken Lahore to become the largest city in Pakistan a position it has retained to this day with it's population in the upper side of 15 million.


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Until 1947 Lahore was the largest city in Pakistan territory. After 1947 Lahore drops to No.2. Table below shows this change with bold black line. Before 1947 Lahore was nearly double the population of Karachi.


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Pie chart below shows that more than four-fifths of its population are migrants (also includes children of migrants born in Karachi: see glossary) from various parts of India and Pakistan. A major proportion of migrants came from India after the partition of Indo-Pakistan sub-continent on August 14, 1947. Karachi is still growing rapidly and in-migration (migration from other parts of Pakistan) is an important component of its growth. The influx of migrants, as experienced by great cities or metropolises elsewhere, is creating diverse demographic, economic and social problems.


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Furthermore the fertility rate for migrants from India in 1959 was higher then natives or in country migrants. This would assure that population domination captured by the Indian migrants [mohajir] in 1947 would continue for many succeeding decades.


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All this demographic inversion happened under the Muslim League rule whose senior leadership was composed of migrants from India. Karachi was made capital of Pakistan until 1959. During this period the Indian migrant community also carved a extraordinary share in jobs and economic sphers of the new country. This 'capture' only came to end in 1958 when the Pakistan Army led by Gen. Ayub took. Most of the army was composed of Punjabi/Pakhtun ethnic groups from the north. In 1959 President Ayub moved to the new capital Islamabad adjacent to the home of the military - Rawalpindi.

However the demograhic domination by the Indian migrant community continued in Karachi. By 1971 Pakistan was being ruled by Zulfiqar Bhutto a ethnic Sindhi. He attempted to pull back some of the capture that the migrants had grabbed after 1947. In July 1972 the Sindh Assembly passed the language bill declaring Sindhi as the provincial language. This was the same assembly that just over 30 years before in 1940 passed the Sindh Resolution demanding creation of Pakistan becoming the first in doing so.

Yet this event led to ethnic riots in 1972 between native Sindhi's and migrant Indians who were often known as Mohajirs [literally migrants]. This clearly showed that Islam was not sufficient medium as both parties were Muslims. One had moved from India because they could not live in Hindu majority India. Now in Pakistan they could not get along with the natives because they were differant ethnic group - Sindhi. In India they were the same ethnicity but not the same religion. Now in Karachi they were same religion but differant ethnicity.

By 1980s the Mohajir capture was coming under pressure. At heart of the issue was the sense of entitlement or exceptionalism that Mohajirs had endowed on themselves. As their extraordinary capture of the socio-economic and politcal life of Pakistan and particularly Karachi came under pressure they formed a ethnic based party to fight for Karachi which they now considered as their fief. despite the fact that Karachi was capital of a province named after it';s main ethnic group - the Sindhi.

The Mohajir Quomi Movement [Migrant nation Movement] has represented the Indian migrant community to the present. They changed the name slightly to deflect from charges of ethnic-nationalism but that does little to fool anybody. MQM has fought against the Sindhi dominated Pakistan Peoples Party [PPP] which has tried to bring in quotas to give a chance for the natives to get their share. PPP has been led by the Bhutto family who are seen by the native Sindhi's as their gaurdians. The MQM was led by Altaf Hussain from 1980s to 2016. During the 1980s and 1990s ethnic warfare flared between the two communities. This gave Karachi the reputation as the most dangerous city in Pakistan and even became notorious abroad.

At times Karachi resembled a civil war with army moving in to establish some semblance of order. Altaf Hussain ran away to London and got asylum after he was charged with serious offences. He ran Karachi from London and was called the "mafia don" of Karachi. Nothing moved in the city without his say so.

The political divide is seen in elections. Most Mohajirs vote for MQM. Most Sindhi's vote for PPP. Both communties have in effect barricaded behind their respective ethnic based parties. Elections in Sindh just reveal districts according to their ethnic profle. In fact election maps might as well be ethnic maps, such is the congruence between voting patterns and ethnic groups.

Over the last decade Karachi resembled Beirut with it's zones and suspicion that India was financing MQM and even sending in operatives who would have contacts within the vast Indian Mohajir population of Karachi. Altaf Hussain the leader of MQM was even videoed giving talk in India that Pakistan was a mistake.


Below is election map of 2018 Sindh provincial elections. The black is Sindhi dominated PPP. Karachi is like a island with MQM and other parties holding sway. This explains the fundamental demographic challange Sindh faces today that will not go away.



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MQM and the Mohajor community are pushing for Karachi to be truncated from Sindh. The majority native Sindhi people of Sindh absolutely will not accept Karachi being truncated from their province. From their perspective that would be like London, Istanbul or Dubai being truncated because of migrants who moved there now have majority. In addition the Mohajir demographic domination that they gained post 1947 during the mass migration from India is now under threat. They still are the single margest group but their share is now about 45% and dropping.

They regard this as a aberration but don't see that their mass migration from 1947-1955 was also a aberration that caused the native Sindhi's to become a minority.

"MQM-P convener Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui, while addressing a gathering in Karachi on August 21, made it clear that the domination of “Sindhi-speaking, rural PPP” will not be acceptable anymore and the only way to prevent the “total destruction of Karachi” is by declaring it as a separate province."

"The threat of ethnic violence and bloodbath in Sindh may not be a myth but will transform into a reality because Sindhi nationalists whether in the PPP, the Sindh-based Grand Democratic Alliance (GDA) or the Awami Tehreek have made it clear that the division of Sindh will be over their dead bodies; that they will not tolerate and allow the separation of Karachi from Sindh."

"placing Karachi under federal control, imposition of governor rule and the MQM-P’s demand that Karachi be carved out of Sindh and declared a separate province can trigger a serious crisis and outbreak of violence."

This issue therefor will not go away. In fact it began to incubate from 1947 and slowly got more serious over the decades. It proved if proof was needed that being Muslim was not sufficient to bind divergent communities. The tragic result is that both demographics have developed a ribal instinct where they see the other as threat and are pulled toward their ethnic based parties even if they are corrupt, engage in criminal activity. They rationalize their unqualified support under seige mentality of thinking as "they are ours" good or bad.

All this might not matter to rest of Pakistan but the problem is the geography of the 220 million country and it's entire trannsport infrastructure is laid so that the entire trade of the country flows along the north-south axis. Entire countries trade discharges at the only port of Karachi and entire countries imports arive at Karachi port. Thus geography has given the port a stranglehold on Pakistan. Thus whatever happens in Karachi impacts the port which of course resonates 1,000 miles north. The country is hostage to this geography and that gives both sides in the conflict - MQM and PPP a outsized role in the politics if the country.


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So given the intractable problem of the MQM demands and PPP's position what can be done to resolve this issue before it explodes one day like Bangla 1971. History teaches us to take such problems seriously before the spark causes a explosive result. As mentioned before this problem will not go away.

So what are the solutions?
With the passage of time, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are an undercover operative and you are working on disintegration of Pakistan. I mean such a garbage with pie charts? Wow.
And you received a positive rating by webmaster? So I am thinking now, who is really the owner of this forum and what are purposes of this forum. Anyway, Punjab will be alone to take all Indias pressure, in case of war, as all other "traitors" will either be dead or away from Pakistan. Muhajir is traitor, Baloch is traitor, Pashtoon is traitor, Sindhi is traitor. Then who is patriotic?
 

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Please these fellow Pakistanis a lesson.

Lesson Title: "HOW TO MANAGE ONE FUKIN CITY"

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I don't think this guy wants to discuss how to solve this problem, rather his intentions are hell clear about how to "clean" Karachi. That's why I say, don't waste your life and your family's life. And leave Pakistan. Logon ki niyat thek nai hai Pakistan main. Safai ka mosam bhi boht boht nazdek aachuka hai. We tried our level best to convince people, but people didn't listen.
 

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With the passage of time, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are an undercover operative and you are working on disintegration of Pakistan. I mean such a garbage with pie charts? Wow.
And you received a positive rating by webmaster? So I am thinking now, who is really the owner of this forum and what are purposes of this forum. Anyway, Punjab will be alone to take all Indias pressure, in case of war, as all other "traitors" will either be dead or away from Pakistan. Muhajir is traitor, Baloch is traitor, Pashtoon is traitor, Sindhi is traitor. Then who is patriotic?
Nah nah.. Perhaps you didn't read his post carefully.

Only Muhajir / Hindustani musalman is a traitor. The natives are all innocent and legit people. We , the muhajirs are outsiders and traitors.
 

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Nah nah.. Perhaps you didn't read his post carefully.

Only Muhajir / Hindustani musalman is a traitor. The natives are all innocent and legit people. We , the muhajirs are outsiders and traitors.
Time and again people come with a narrative that Pashtoon is talking about his rights, so Pashtoon is traitor. Baloch talks about his rights so they are automatically traitor. Sindhi is traitor. Now muhajir is also traitor. That leaves us with only one choice for patriotism.
This is madness and will lead Pakistan towards disintegration. And that's what some Mi6 agents wants to achieve.
 

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Time and again people come with a narrative that Pashtoon is talking about his rights, so Pashtoon is traitor. Baloch talks about his rights so they are automatically traitor. Sindhi is traitor. Now muhajir is also traitor. That leaves us with only one choice for patriotism.
This is madness and will lead Pakistan towards disintegration. And that's what some Mi6 agents wants to achieve.
sirf lawhori aur punjabi mukhlis hai! app may hum sab gaddar hain!
 

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It's not about City. It's about what idea we supported in 1947 without thinking about the history of people who are main actors in the whole idea. Niyat thek nai hai logon ki.
exactly!

Pakistan was created so everyone is treated equally no sindhi muhajir baloch punjabi pashtun or brahmin or dalit etc! and when we talk about Khi we are not demandig rights for khi alone (we are not mafad parast punjabis) we want rulers to treat everyone equally give us our rights give us our freedom! lakin jazbati pdf boys pehlay label lagatay hain phir baat kartay hain! kamal hai!

and yes when i talk about mafad parast greedy policies of fauji boys doesnt make me anti Pakistani! and look at facts! if we talk about sindh and specifically Zardari gang how is this guy allowed to still rule a province of Pakistan doesnt make any sense to me! his terror guy Uzair Baloch not only killed murdered Pakistani he shared military intelligence with Iran and yet this guy is sitting comfortably at some farm house in Ghq all getting freed of all the charges and Zardari continues to loot unchecked! matlab kia scene hai Army bros! dha keh liye mulk sambhal rahay ho! ya koi bs maslihat keh taihad zardari ko nai latka rahay! nuclear power hain hum aur hamari 2 rs keu tuchay zardari say phaati hai!

ohh and some geniuses will present argument that ohh sindhi vote for ppp so ppl want zardari to rule over them! jis zardari ko latkanay may phaati hai itni woh zardari sindh may beth keh rigging nai kar sakta kia!

Pakistanis are worst kind of idol worshipper zehni ghulam turds hain! huur powerful ko bhagwan banna daytay hain!!
 

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exactly!

Pakistan was created so everyone is treated equally no sindhi muhajir baloch punjabi pashtun or brahmin or dalit etc! and when we talk about Khi we are not demandig rights for khi alone (we are not mafad parast punjabis) we want rulers to treat everyone equally give us our rights give us our freedom! lakin jazbati pdf boys pehlay label lagatay hain phir baat kartay hain! kamal hai!

and yes when i talk about mafad parast greedy policies of fauji boys doesnt make me anti Pakistani! and look at facts! if we talk about sindh and specifically Zardari gang how is this guy allowed to still rule a province of Pakistan doesnt make any sense to me! his terror guy Uzair Baloch not only killed murdered Pakistani he shared military intelligence with Iran and yet this guy is sitting comfortably at some farm house in Ghq all getting freed of all the charges and Zardari continues to loot unchecked! matlab kia scene hai Army bros! dha keh liye mulk sambhal rahay ho! ya koi bs maslihat keh taihad zardari ko nai latka rahay! nuclear power hain hum aur hamari 2 rs keu tuchay zardari say phaati hai!

ohh and some geniuses will present argument that ohh sindhi vote for ppp so ppl want zardari to rule over them! jis zardari ko latkanay may phaati hai itni woh zardari sindh may beth keh rigging nai kar sakta kia!

Pakistanis are worst kind of idol worshipper zehni ghulam turds hain! huur powerful ko bhagwan banna daytay hain!!
When Punjabi denied his ethnicity, then he supported Pakistan. When Sindhi denied his ethnicity, then he supported Pakistan. Otherwise Sikhs and Sindhi Hindus were all good. What was the problem then. Everyone did that and joined Pakistan against a common enemy.
Few people talk about ethnicity now, just to deny the whole idea of Pakistan. So basically the people who are painting traitor on others face are themselves traitor.
 

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When Punjabi denied his ethnicity, then he supported Pakistan. When Sindhi denied his ethnicity, then he supported Pakistan. Otherwise Sikhs and Sindhi Hindus were all good. What was the problem then. Everyone did that and joined Pakistan against a common enemy.
Few people talk about ethnicity now, just to deny the whole idea of Pakistan. So basically the people who are painting traitor on others face are themselves traitor.
Punjabi are like Mullahs,Mullahs have the authority to certify someone Muslim or kafir Punjabion ka same scene hai Pakistani or Anti Pakistani ka certificate in keh pass say milna hai!

was Pakistan created so Punjabis rule over everyone else!

or Ethnic sindhis rule over non sindhis?

Pakistan was a dreamland for oppressed Muslims of S Asia they wanted freedom for castes and ethnicity and created so all Pakistanis are treated as one Muslims enjoy equal rights and freedom to practice their religion! my family migrated from India and E-Pakistan not to be again treated like Dalits! left everything behind and came to their dreamland!

lakin ab lagta hai qurbani Dha bannay aur Fwo keh thaikun keh liye di thi! politicians dont matter they are just serving their pindi masters! Khi may zameen chayeh chalo zardari ko support kartay hain woh sab say kamina insan hai khud bhi khaye ga dha bhi bannay day ga! what policy!

Army is doing operation in balochistan years after making balochs exploitable,after giving super powers to sardars to exploit ppl and treat them like roaches! and now when they ask for their right and are being exploited by RAW etc app operation kar rahay ho! kamal hai! gas line punjab jaaa rahi hai lakin baloch aurat suur peh lakri rukh keh choola jaa rahi hai ya kahan ka insaf hai! but no woh is dunia may sirf punjab ko gas daynay keh liye aye hai khud lakri say he chola jalaye ge!
 

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Punjabi are like Mullahs,Mullahs have the authority to certify someone Muslim or kafir Punjabion ka same scene hai Pakistani or Anti Pakistani ka certificate in keh pass say milna hai!

was Pakistan created so Punjabis rule over everyone else!

or Ethnic sindhis rule over non sindhis?

Pakistan was a dreamland for oppressed Muslims of S Asia they wanted freedom for castes and ethnicity and created so all Pakistanis are treated as one Muslims enjoy equal rights and freedom to practice their religion! my family migrated from India and E-Pakistan not to be again treated like Dalits! left everything behind and came to their dreamland!

lakin ab lagta hai qurbani Dha bannay aur Fwo keh thaikun keh liye di thi! politicians dont matter they are just serving their pindi masters! Khi may zameen chayeh chalo zardari ko support kartay hain woh sab say kamina insan hai khud bhi khaye ga dha bhi bannay day ga! what policy!

Army is doing operation in balochistan years after making balochs exploitable,after giving super powers to sardars to exploit ppl and treat them like roaches! and now when they ask for their right and are being exploited by RAW etc app operation kar rahay ho! kamal hai! gas line punjab jaaa rahi hai lakin baloch aurat suur peh lakri rukh keh choola jaa rahi hai ya kahan ka insaf hai! but no woh is dunia may sirf punjab ko gas daynay keh liye aye hai khud lakri say he chola jalaye ge!
Zerdaris involvement in dha is very well known. He also threatened local Sindhi and Baloch landlords to keep quite.
Karachi wala were not letting it happen, so operation was launched and whole community was declared ghaddar.
But anayways. Just leave it. Try to save your self.
 
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