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  1. Philip the Arab

    Philip the Arab SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yep 100% Mared needs this on it.

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    Can Turkey help Jordan produce Mortar, Artillery, and autocannon rounds?

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    King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) announced it has signed a contract to expand its ammunition factory with a key international Turkish company (MKEK) to increase its production capacity to 30 million rounds annually from several types of light weapons ammunition.

    In a statement to Petra News Agency, Major General (ret.) Mohammed Farghal, the Bureau’s Director General, said KADDB’s strategic plan since the establishment of its ammunition factory seeks to expand horizontally and vertically to produce most types of ammunition used in the Jordanian armed forces and security departments in economic quantities.

    This expansion, he affirmed, enables Jordan to meet the local and regional demand for ammunition at “appropriate” prices, stressing such a step will not be the last.

    “The strategic plan includes increasing production of ammunition types in the future to manufacture medium and heavy ammunitions,” he continued.

    The workforce in ammunition factory are all Jordanians, and technology in the ammunition industry will be localized to maintain the KADDB’s strategic objective in investing in the Jordanian human potential, Farghal announced.

    King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) was established in 1999, by a royal decree, as an independent government entity affiliated with the Jordan Armed Forces (JAF). The establishment of the Bureau was one of His Majesty’s King Abdullah II’s priorities the assumption of his constitutional powers to become an Arab defense nucleus in the region.

    By being creative, innovative and by harnessing advanced technologies to serve Jordan’s national security through prompting self-reliance, building indigenous capabilities, supplying scientific and technical services, increasing the competitiveness of its manufacturing capacity, developing national labor competencies and know-how, adopting best practices, KADDB is dedicated to advancing, applying and facilitating high standards of research development through partnership and innovation with built-in institutional development and growth.



    In other news, a Jordanian general visited KADDB and expressed admiration for advances in military production.


    Wahsh 105mm is hopefully entering service soon after testing concludes and if vehicle meets requirements.



     
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    Turkey can supply whatever Jordan wants. Turkish industry is generous to tech transfer deals. We have made it in Malaysia, Indonesia, Kazakstan, UAE, Pakistan...etc Why not for Jordan ?
     
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    It's nothing critical, if $$$ is alright why not.
     
  5. Philip the Arab

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    Ukraine is great for Jordan because it has a lot of Soviet tech that is still useful in the modern world. Turkey may be good for certain things but seems stingy af for licensing and TOT.
     
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    Turkey is not stingy, you are the poor. What were you waiting for in an optical company that you established with 2 million Jordanian dinars of capital, then Aselsan spent billions of dollars on sensitive optical technology info ?
     
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    I mean stingy referring to higher tech items like ATGMs, PGMs etc. Ukraine will happily license that because of their financial status right now while Turkey has no need for that. I have no care for the Aselsan optics as IMO they could have been licensed from other countries for cheaper prices.
     
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    Bro, Jordan's budget for defense industry R & D is funny, even for African countries. You can't take anything from anyone with these funny numbers. Turkey has spent a sum of $ 3 billion for the body and moving parts of the helicopter.
     
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    Yes, and Turkey is a part of NATO that is 10 times our population and has a developed industry. Regardless, we had to have made at least a few hundred million dollars in defense sales this year alone and if you want evidence just ask me.


    R&D must be pretty high to make a few variants of the same vehicle. You can't compare a 20 year old industry to Turkeys 50+ industry. We don't have oil as I know you think we do.

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    Huge production order also
    https://www.radio.cz/en/section/bus...n-with-over-300-chassis-in-czk-1-billion-deal
     
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    I do not think that the size of the country in the TOT sales criteria of the companies or institutions you want to buy TOT. Simple ammunition production and R & D is enough for you if you don't have ready buyers and you don't set too big targets.
     
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    Jordan already got ATGM licensing from Ukraine.
    https://www.armyrecognition.com/aad...a_terminator-at_anti-tank_guided_missile.html

    We sold 77 million USD worth of rockets/missiles (vague text) to UAE already this year not including sales to them that went to LNA like the widespread usage of Jordanian 4x4s and sometimes 8x8s.


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    + If you want to be a developed country, you need to strive for more than making iron parts on ready chassis and engine. That's not equal to the 10 times you're talking about.
     
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    IIR ? RF Data Link ?, Optical imager ? Double stage engine ? Do you have full control of all of this ? +
    Pakistan has been doing ready picking for years, and since they can't get enough industry for the infrastructure, they still haven't developed a new generation and they're not happy with it. Unfortunately, pre-collection saves you very little money and prevents you from using your engineers for more effective work.
     
  15. Philip the Arab

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    I told you, Turkish defense industry is much older than ours (60+ years) while ours started in 1999. Be patient and you will see development. There is R&D for advanced equipment as you discussed but Jordan has needs assistance from non-Western nations like Ukraine for example. Ukraine will never sanction military equipment like the West will and we can learn a lot from them.

    Refer here for more info about Jordanian industry.
    https://kaddb.com/productscatogery/1065/Electronics


    You equating Jordan to Turkey is like equating Tajikistan to China.





    How about we talk about development at SOFEX 2020 upcoming late April? I promise you that we will see huge development because of the large sales coming in and cooperating with many university students as well as hiring engineers for R&D. We won't be Turkey but we are still more developed than many other countries in the region, and in the world.

    Watch the video if you like at 2 times speed. It is in Arabic so you will not understand it but regardless it shows R&D, CAD usage, and actual production.
     
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