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The view from a JF-17 pilot’s cockpit
PL-5EII infrared-guided short range homing missile on the wingtip and the PL-12 AKA SD-10A beyond-visual-range active-radar guided missile on the inner pylon.
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Some simple things would be.

Simultaneous Target engagement.
Thrust to power ratio
Service ceiling
Range extension (CFT option)
Life span for both jets. (tells u about built quality)
Radar range

These are some of the things i can remember from the top of my head that makes it better.
The question of being superior, it all depends on the pilot and how he uses the arsenals at his disposal

There are going to be obvious differences between a 20 year old platform and a 50 year old mature and most widely used global platform. Your list is applicable in a global platform scenario, not wrt to the PAF's requirements for the JFT. Pakistan gets what it needs from the JFT and has a lot more room to advance it's JFT than the -16.

I personally think the PAF has enough JFT when block III batch is done. It should just get J-10C manufacturing rights and produce 150-200 of those as JFT block IV delta wing version, plus a stealthy 5th gen batch (re-brand AZM), and Turkish-Chinese-In house drones for the next 30 years.
 

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A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world​

Benjamin Brimelow
Nov 25, 2022, 4:37 AM


JF-17 Thunder


A JF-17 Thunder at Kamra Aeronautical Complex northwest of Islamabad in March 2007. AAMIR QURESHI/AFP via Getty Images
  • China and Pakistan jointly developed the JF-17 combat jet, which first entered service in 2007.
  • As of October 2021, some 145 JF-17s were in service with Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria.
  • Several other countries have expressed interest in the jet, and its numbers are poised to grow.
In early November, three JF-17 fighters of the Pakistani Air Force conducted aerial demonstrations at the Bahrain International Air Show.
At the same time, China was showcasing the JF-17 at the annual China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in Zuhai, China.
The events were the latest attempts by China and Pakistan to market their jointly developed fourth-generation fighter jet to international customers.
The JF-17 is only in service with three countries — Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria — which operated a total of 145 as of October 2021, according to Aviation Week.
At the time, Aviation Week data showed that total was set to rise to 185 JF-17s by mid-decade — growth that would make it the most widely operated Chinese combat jet in service overseas by the end of 2023.

JF-17 Thunder​

Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A Pakistan Air Force JF-17 takes off at a base in northern Pakistan in June 2013. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra
Developed by China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the JF-17 first flew in 2003. The single-seat, single-engine jet is known in Pakistan as the JF-17 Thunder and as the FC-1 Xiaolong in China.
With a service ceiling of 50,000 feet and a top speed of about 1,200 mph, the JF-17 can perform several missions, including aerial intercept and ground attack. It can carry roughly 7,000 pounds of ordnance on seven hardpoints and is armed with a single twin-barrel 23 mm autocannon.
The first few JF-17s were made entirely in China, but Pakistan now does most of the production. At present, 58% of the aircraft is made in Pakistan and 42% in China.
Despite its joint development, only Pakistan chose to introduce it into service, officially doing so in 2007. The jet is meant to replace Pakistan's aging fleet of Nanchang A-5, Chengdu F-7, and Mirage III and V attack and fighter jets.
Pakistan air force fighter jet


Pakistani air force personnel check a JF-17 at the Zhuhai Airshow in China's Guangdong province in October 2018. REUTERS/Stringer
With at least 125 in service, the JF-17 is the backbone of the PAF. They have reportedly been used to conduct airstrikes against militants in northwestern Pakistan and, according to one report, to down an Iranian-made drone in southwestern Pakistan in 2017.
Current and retired Pakistani air force officials also said a JF-17 shot down an Indian MiG-21 during an air-to-air skirmish in February 2019. (India said its jet was downed by a Pakistani F-16.)
The JF-17 has been upgraded several times since its introduction. The most recent version, the Block III, first flew in late 2019 and features several considerable improvements, including an additional hardpoint, a quad-redundant digital fly-by-wire system, and an active electronically scanned array radar.
Pakistan considers the Block III JF-17 a 4.5-generation jet, and its air force plans to acquire at least 50 of them, the first of which arrived in January. The jets have already been seen carrying one of China's most advanced air-to-air missiles.

Affordable and appealing​

JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A JF-17 at the Paris Air Show in June 2015. REUTERS/Pascal Rossignol
Pakistan currently operates the most JF-17s. Myanmar, the first international customer, operates six and Nigeria has three.
Ranging from $15 million to $25 million each, the JF-17 is considerably cheaper than virtually every other fourth-generation jet on the market. Add-ons that increase its lethality, like targeting pods, makes it attractive to countries with low defense budgets that want multirole combat jets.
"Its not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," Timothy Heath, a senior international and defense researcher at the Rand Corporation think tank, told Insider.
"This is not an aircraft that is designed to compete head-to-head with the F-22, so it doesn't need the most sophisticated engines and parts," Heath said. "It's a cheap multirole budget aircraft that is suitable and probably most appealing to developing countries that are looking for a basic aircraft to either bomb their own people, like insurgents, or to carry out basic defense against similar-type countries."
Pakistani JF-17 Thunder combat jet


A Pakistani JF-17 at a defense exhibition in Karachi in November 2016. RIZWAN TABASSUM/AFP via Getty Images
Several countries have expressed interest in the JF-17. Iraq has reportedly agreed to buy at least 12, and Egypt has said it's interested in acquiring JF-17s as part of expanded defense cooperation with Pakistan. Azerbaijan has said for years that it wants JF-17s, and both Bolivia and Argentina are considering the jet.
Argentina has also sought to expand its local fighter production. Should it receive a license to build JF-17s domestically, it could make the jet more appealing to its neighbors.
Expanding JF-17 sales could help China increase its share of the market for "value arms" — weapons that are less sophisticated but still effective — among middle- and lower-income countries, which have long relied on Russia for jets, armored vehicles, and heavy artillery.
But selling more JF-17s may not translate into greater dependence on Chinese military hardware. Many countries still covet higher-end Western-built aircraft and are generally wary of becoming reliant on a single supplier, which is why many operate a mix of US, European, Russian, and Chinese aircraft.
"That's a pretty common strategy in the developing world," Heath said. "Most countries want autonomy, so they tend to want to have diverse suppliers, even though that does complicate their ability to operate all these foreign systems."

Source:
www.businessinsider.com

A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world

The JF-17, designed and developed by Pakistan and China, is "not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," one expert told Insider.
www.businessinsider.com
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A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world​

Benjamin Brimelow
Nov 25, 2022, 4:37 AM


JF-17 Thunder


A JF-17 Thunder at Kamra Aeronautical Complex northwest of Islamabad in March 2007. AAMIR QURESHI/AFP via Getty Images
  • China and Pakistan jointly developed the JF-17 combat jet, which first entered service in 2007.
  • As of October 2021, some 145 JF-17s were in service with Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria.
  • Several other countries have expressed interest in the jet, and its numbers are poised to grow.
In early November, three JF-17 fighters of the Pakistani Air Force conducted aerial demonstrations at the Bahrain International Air Show.
At the same time, China was showcasing the JF-17 at the annual China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in Zuhai, China.
The events were the latest attempts by China and Pakistan to market their jointly developed fourth-generation fighter jet to international customers.
The JF-17 is only in service with three countries — Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria — which operated a total of 145 as of October 2021, according to Aviation Week.
At the time, Aviation Week data showed that total was set to rise to 185 JF-17s by mid-decade — growth that would make it the most widely operated Chinese combat jet in service overseas by the end of 2023.

JF-17 Thunder​

Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A Pakistan Air Force JF-17 takes off at a base in northern Pakistan in June 2013. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra
Developed by China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the JF-17 first flew in 2003. The single-seat, single-engine jet is known in Pakistan as the JF-17 Thunder and as the FC-1 Xiaolong in China.
With a service ceiling of 50,000 feet and a top speed of about 1,200 mph, the JF-17 can perform several missions, including aerial intercept and ground attack. It can carry roughly 7,000 pounds of ordnance on seven hardpoints and is armed with a single twin-barrel 23 mm autocannon.
The first few JF-17s were made entirely in China, but Pakistan now does most of the production. At present, 58% of the aircraft is made in Pakistan and 42% in China.
Despite its joint development, only Pakistan chose to introduce it into service, officially doing so in 2007. The jet is meant to replace Pakistan's aging fleet of Nanchang A-5, Chengdu F-7, and Mirage III and V attack and fighter jets.
Pakistan air force fighter jet


Pakistani air force personnel check a JF-17 at the Zhuhai Airshow in China's Guangdong province in October 2018. REUTERS/Stringer
With at least 125 in service, the JF-17 is the backbone of the PAF. They have reportedly been used to conduct airstrikes against militants in northwestern Pakistan and, according to one report, to down an Iranian-made drone in southwestern Pakistan in 2017.
Current and retired Pakistani air force officials also said a JF-17 shot down an Indian MiG-21 during an air-to-air skirmish in February 2019. (India said its jet was downed by a Pakistani F-16.)
The JF-17 has been upgraded several times since its introduction. The most recent version, the Block III, first flew in late 2019 and features several considerable improvements, including an additional hardpoint, a quad-redundant digital fly-by-wire system, and an active electronically scanned array radar.
Pakistan considers the Block III JF-17 a 4.5-generation jet, and its air force plans to acquire at least 50 of them, the first of which arrived in January. The jets have already been seen carrying one of China's most advanced air-to-air missiles.

Affordable and appealing​

JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A JF-17 at the Paris Air Show in June 2015. REUTERS/Pascal Rossignol
Pakistan currently operates the most JF-17s. Myanmar, the first international customer, operates six and Nigeria has three.
Ranging from $15 million to $25 million each, the JF-17 is considerably cheaper than virtually every other fourth-generation jet on the market. Add-ons that increase its lethality, like targeting pods, makes it attractive to countries with low defense budgets that want multirole combat jets.
"Its not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," Timothy Heath, a senior international and defense researcher at the Rand Corporation think tank, told Insider.
"This is not an aircraft that is designed to compete head-to-head with the F-22, so it doesn't need the most sophisticated engines and parts," Heath said. "It's a cheap multirole budget aircraft that is suitable and probably most appealing to developing countries that are looking for a basic aircraft to either bomb their own people, like insurgents, or to carry out basic defense against similar-type countries."
Pakistani JF-17 Thunder combat jet


A Pakistani JF-17 at a defense exhibition in Karachi in November 2016. RIZWAN TABASSUM/AFP via Getty Images
Several countries have expressed interest in the JF-17. Iraq has reportedly agreed to buy at least 12, and Egypt has said it's interested in acquiring JF-17s as part of expanded defense cooperation with Pakistan. Azerbaijan has said for years that it wants JF-17s, and both Bolivia and Argentina are considering the jet.
Argentina has also sought to expand its local fighter production. Should it receive a license to build JF-17s domestically, it could make the jet more appealing to its neighbors.
Expanding JF-17 sales could help China increase its share of the market for "value arms" — weapons that are less sophisticated but still effective — among middle- and lower-income countries, which have long relied on Russia for jets, armored vehicles, and heavy artillery.
But selling more JF-17s may not translate into greater dependence on Chinese military hardware. Many countries still covet higher-end Western-built aircraft and are generally wary of becoming reliant on a single supplier, which is why many operate a mix of US, European, Russian, and Chinese aircraft.
"That's a pretty common strategy in the developing world," Heath said. "Most countries want autonomy, so they tend to want to have diverse suppliers, even though that does complicate their ability to operate all these foreign systems."

Source:
www.businessinsider.com

A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world

The JF-17, designed and developed by Pakistan and China, is "not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," one expert told Insider.
www.businessinsider.com
www.businessinsider.com
This article caught my eye and I realized I have never seen a more disconnected headline from the rest of the article. Nothing in this article is new, and we know the countries that we would like to have purchase JF-17, but that hardly qualifies as 'one of the most widely' aircraft in the world....

Business Insider should stick to reporting on business and stop getting us needlessly excited: I really thought there was some massive breakthrough in the last week that happened
 

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A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world​

Benjamin Brimelow
Nov 25, 2022, 4:37 AM


JF-17 Thunder


A JF-17 Thunder at Kamra Aeronautical Complex northwest of Islamabad in March 2007. AAMIR QURESHI/AFP via Getty Images
  • China and Pakistan jointly developed the JF-17 combat jet, which first entered service in 2007.
  • As of October 2021, some 145 JF-17s were in service with Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria.
  • Several other countries have expressed interest in the jet, and its numbers are poised to grow.
In early November, three JF-17 fighters of the Pakistani Air Force conducted aerial demonstrations at the Bahrain International Air Show.
At the same time, China was showcasing the JF-17 at the annual China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in Zuhai, China.
The events were the latest attempts by China and Pakistan to market their jointly developed fourth-generation fighter jet to international customers.
The JF-17 is only in service with three countries — Pakistan, Myanmar, and Nigeria — which operated a total of 145 as of October 2021, according to Aviation Week.
At the time, Aviation Week data showed that total was set to rise to 185 JF-17s by mid-decade — growth that would make it the most widely operated Chinese combat jet in service overseas by the end of 2023.

JF-17 Thunder​

Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A Pakistan Air Force JF-17 takes off at a base in northern Pakistan in June 2013. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra
Developed by China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the JF-17 first flew in 2003. The single-seat, single-engine jet is known in Pakistan as the JF-17 Thunder and as the FC-1 Xiaolong in China.
With a service ceiling of 50,000 feet and a top speed of about 1,200 mph, the JF-17 can perform several missions, including aerial intercept and ground attack. It can carry roughly 7,000 pounds of ordnance on seven hardpoints and is armed with a single twin-barrel 23 mm autocannon.
The first few JF-17s were made entirely in China, but Pakistan now does most of the production. At present, 58% of the aircraft is made in Pakistan and 42% in China.
Despite its joint development, only Pakistan chose to introduce it into service, officially doing so in 2007. The jet is meant to replace Pakistan's aging fleet of Nanchang A-5, Chengdu F-7, and Mirage III and V attack and fighter jets.
Pakistan air force fighter jet


Pakistani air force personnel check a JF-17 at the Zhuhai Airshow in China's Guangdong province in October 2018. REUTERS/Stringer
With at least 125 in service, the JF-17 is the backbone of the PAF. They have reportedly been used to conduct airstrikes against militants in northwestern Pakistan and, according to one report, to down an Iranian-made drone in southwestern Pakistan in 2017.
Current and retired Pakistani air force officials also said a JF-17 shot down an Indian MiG-21 during an air-to-air skirmish in February 2019. (India said its jet was downed by a Pakistani F-16.)
The JF-17 has been upgraded several times since its introduction. The most recent version, the Block III, first flew in late 2019 and features several considerable improvements, including an additional hardpoint, a quad-redundant digital fly-by-wire system, and an active electronically scanned array radar.
Pakistan considers the Block III JF-17 a 4.5-generation jet, and its air force plans to acquire at least 50 of them, the first of which arrived in January. The jets have already been seen carrying one of China's most advanced air-to-air missiles.

Affordable and appealing​

JF-17 Thunder fighter jet


A JF-17 at the Paris Air Show in June 2015. REUTERS/Pascal Rossignol
Pakistan currently operates the most JF-17s. Myanmar, the first international customer, operates six and Nigeria has three.
Ranging from $15 million to $25 million each, the JF-17 is considerably cheaper than virtually every other fourth-generation jet on the market. Add-ons that increase its lethality, like targeting pods, makes it attractive to countries with low defense budgets that want multirole combat jets.
"Its not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," Timothy Heath, a senior international and defense researcher at the Rand Corporation think tank, told Insider.
"This is not an aircraft that is designed to compete head-to-head with the F-22, so it doesn't need the most sophisticated engines and parts," Heath said. "It's a cheap multirole budget aircraft that is suitable and probably most appealing to developing countries that are looking for a basic aircraft to either bomb their own people, like insurgents, or to carry out basic defense against similar-type countries."
Pakistani JF-17 Thunder combat jet


A Pakistani JF-17 at a defense exhibition in Karachi in November 2016. RIZWAN TABASSUM/AFP via Getty Images
Several countries have expressed interest in the JF-17. Iraq has reportedly agreed to buy at least 12, and Egypt has said it's interested in acquiring JF-17s as part of expanded defense cooperation with Pakistan. Azerbaijan has said for years that it wants JF-17s, and both Bolivia and Argentina are considering the jet.
Argentina has also sought to expand its local fighter production. Should it receive a license to build JF-17s domestically, it could make the jet more appealing to its neighbors.
Expanding JF-17 sales could help China increase its share of the market for "value arms" — weapons that are less sophisticated but still effective — among middle- and lower-income countries, which have long relied on Russia for jets, armored vehicles, and heavy artillery.
But selling more JF-17s may not translate into greater dependence on Chinese military hardware. Many countries still covet higher-end Western-built aircraft and are generally wary of becoming reliant on a single supplier, which is why many operate a mix of US, European, Russian, and Chinese aircraft.
"That's a pretty common strategy in the developing world," Heath said. "Most countries want autonomy, so they tend to want to have diverse suppliers, even though that does complicate their ability to operate all these foreign systems."

Source:
www.businessinsider.com

A jet built by China and Pakistan may soon be the most widely operated combat aircraft in the world

The JF-17, designed and developed by Pakistan and China, is "not cutting edge, but it is a reliable performer," one expert told Insider.
www.businessinsider.com
www.businessinsider.com

This article caught my eye and I realized I have never seen a more disconnected headline from the rest of the article. Nothing in this article is new, and we know the countries that we would like to have purchase JF-17, but that hardly qualifies as 'one of the most widely' aircraft in the world....

Business Insider should stick to reporting on business and stop getting us needlessly excited: I really thought there was some massive breakthrough in the last week that happened

I think we should be happy, whether big breaking news like you expected or not, we get free global marketing and exposure at the least. There are many millions who read Business Insider, Times, Forbes and the likes to learn cutting edge stuff and we have a potent national defense system to offer to the globe. That's pretty big!
 

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