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Shouldnt a country the size of morocco have a slightly bigger inventory of combat aircraft? i hope you guys manage to get the Rafale as it's a pretty badass aircraft :-)
You're absolutely right, we've 3500km length of oceans borders and 446 550km2 of surface, we absolutely need more combat aircraft and helicopters, and more frigates and submarines and patrols, and more air defense systems, but the budget is limited comparing to our goals, so it's a matter of time..

And for the moment, they're seeking for a Rafale with it full options and full arsenal, or for an F-15, to be a companion for the F-16 Block 50/52+ and of course the program of replacing the F5 Tiger which is the purpose of the thread :D
 

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Get over yourself,you're no match for Spain militarily and economically.They would crush in an instant,not to mention that NATO and the EU will help them.You tried landing some soldiers on some uninhabited Spanish islands a few years ago and they booted you out immediately.
How did you knew that we're not a match for Spain militarily and economically ? The Spanish economy stands on the EU aids, Spanish 30yrs back was a desert, without the Golf and EU investments, and for the moment, with the Spanish confessions, the Moroccan economy is way stronger than the Spanish.. Spain, especially right now, they're going through crises, families without job, without nothing to eat, and without an income to pay their expenses, everyone who has debts in Spain is threaten by banks to be token to jail, and Spain is seeking for the Moroccan help when comes to the economy, my city is 15km away from Spain, and believe it or not, Spanish are working here in constructions and painting and cleaning our dirt..

Morocco was an Empire before a Kingdom, we have the eldest Royal Family in the world, a Family who live for this country, and they know better, they won't go in a war they would loose, you're right, Spain is a member in the NATO, and EU, but do you know what happens if Spain attacks Morocco first ? Then they no longer can get help from NATO and EU..

For the moment, when you talk about EU, the thing that should come to your mind is France, Belgium, Germany, Italy and Netherlands, because these countries has a good economy, the income of Mercedes and BMW is equal to the annual income of Spain, and you most know, the EU is going through economy crises, the Euro currency is dying in parallel with US Dollars, the countries I mentioned can't support nourish the Euro by themselves, crises in Spain and Greece and Portugal and Hungary and Ukraine, at some point they will all go back to their old currencies, do you have an idea what's going to happen then ? We're preparing for that stage kid, because it's a matter of time..

It's not all about the weapon, if they have weapon we have Lord, Allah who promise us the glory !!

It is unthinkable that Morocco beginn an Agression to retake Ceuta and Melilla, they know that this is an suicidal Act ! Like we have seen in Videos posted by me and Andalusi Knight, Riots can got out of Control and Spain will establish as Answer a Security Zone. The Security Zone is seen by Morocco as Act Against it's Teretorial Integrity... At the End war begann ! In another Case Oil and Gas exploration in disputet Areas !

These are the most logic Reasons for the start of a possible spanish - moroccan War !
I like the way you analyze things brother, I truly like you !

@flamer84 , Go easy on @Andalusi Knight . He is new here.

I had to delete your post for being Off Topic. You can address him in some other thread. I just think he probably mixed up some history, and you totally mis-understood him. He was probably talking about Yusuf bin Tashfain(11th Century?) which you took to be the Arab Conquest of 7th Century.

Anyways, no more OT. You can discuss history elsewhere. Let this thread stay focused on its title.
I apologize for being Off Topic, I needed to explain what does the Moroccan Spanish conflict has to do with the history, because everything is based on that history that I trained to simplify, I apologize again

@Andalusi Knight , beware of some Pakistani posters. Not only do they prescribe long and impossible wish lists for Pakistan, but do so for other Muslim countries also. Just ignore them and stay focused on the thread.

We have one very famous poster who has been banned many times but he keeps coming back with new IDs. He never shies from prescribing $ 10 Billion arms deals for aircraft and submarines, and tanks, and what-not. If you learn to ignore, you will have a happier time at PDF.
I will, I joined this forum for several reason, first of them because of that thread, and because the forum is Pakistani, which I want to know more about the Pakistani Army, and because I read the comments of brothers asking for a Moroccan member to join the debate, I won't leave the PDF unless you ask me to, and for as long as I'm here, I'm ignoring these who loves to spread their ignorance..

"The reason there's so much ignorance is that those who have it are so eager to share it." Frank A. Clark.

Does it also mean Cruise Missiles ?
Exactly, doesn't make sense to buy the Rafale, without it full option arsenal.. Don't you think ?
 
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Morocco was an Empire before a Kingdom, we have the eldest Royal Family in the world, a Family who live for this country, and they know better, they won't go in a war they would loose, you're right, Spain is a member in the NATO, and EU, but do you know what happens if Spain attacks Morocco first ? Then they no longer can get help from NATO and EU..
Times have changed sice the 11.09.2001, during blinding by Media People in Europe are full of hate of Islam ! In an event of a Crisis which beginn with Riots for example Morocco and it's People will be blamed for the Crisis, so far far Spain will recieve strong politic and public Support even in Event of Agression !

If Turkey for example kill some PKK Terrorist european Media would call this Massacre ! :cuckoo:


I like the way you analyze things brother, I truly like you !
Shoukran !:cheers:

Exactly, doesn't make sense to buy the Rafale, without it full option arsenal.. Don't you think ?
I say the same, but I not expect that France will offer full strategic Capabillities !
 

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:woot::rofl::rofl:

Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia........1.415 trillion $ economy ! 30.400$ per capita !

Morocco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia....115 billion $ economy...3500$ per capita !

Anyway,i'll listen to @Chak Bamu and be on my way,you're clearly living in a fantasy world.
It's true, I'm a Proud Moroccan, but it doesn't mean that I will be talking nonsense in order to show my country in power position

You won't know better than I, what you brought are numbers, and what I see in my place, is different

Did "your" Wikipedia told you that Spanish percentage of unemployment is above 25% ?

So what should I believe, the numbers you brought ? or what my eyes see ?

I see Spanish and French people working in my country, and believe me, they're not working with suits and ties

They're working the jobs, that the Moroccans won't work even if they would die with hunger

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As US domestic migration settles back down into familiar patterns, the international scene continues to surprise. The stubborn economic crisis in Europe is largely to blame. The resulting talent flows are downright weird:

For generations, Moroccans have immigrated to Europe for work but now, in a surprising illustration of Europe's economic crisis, that trend is reversing –Europeans are coming to Morocco in search of jobs.

It's "the world upside down," writes Hein de Haas, co-director of the International Migration Institute, affiliated with Oxford University.

The number of Spaniards officially registered as residents in Morocco quadrupled between 2003 and 2011, according to the National Statistics Institute of Spain. Tens of thousands more are now believed to be in Morocco illegally. Before the crisis, Martinez says, no one in Spain ever thought they would come to Morocco for work.

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Spain is no exception to the “reverse immigration” that has resulted from the economic crisis plaguing Europe. Today, the number of Spanish immigrants in search of a job in Tangier has amounted to over 5000 immigrants.

According Spanish the news website Economia Digital, the unemployment rate in the southern Iberian country has exceeded 30 percent. As a corollary, jobless Spanish nationals are increasingly flocking to what they now see as the “Moroccan Eldorado.”

There are about 5,000 undocumented Spanish workers in Tangier, according to the same source. “Despite their failure to get a residence permit in Morocco, these immigrants decide to stay in the kingdom to continue working without a contract,” Anwar Zibaoui, a specialist in economic trade between Europe and the southern Mediterranean, said according to a report by Yabiladi.

The Spanish immigrants’ choice of Tangier is not surprising. The northern city is an ideal work destination for them, as it shares a rich history with Spain that stretches back to the 16th century. The Spanish language is widely spoken in the northern segment of the Kingdom. Unlike other Moroccan cities where French dominates the job market and administrations, Spanish is predominantly used in this area of the country.

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I don't want to be OT, and I don't know how to send private messages, because I would love to send you subjects, were made from very well knows TV channels, who talks about this reverse immigration of Spanish, not only the Spanish but the French as well, you must know the Spanish situation in order to understand, people are running business and the whole business is working with debts, soon the business is closed by the bank, the owner goes to the jail, and workers are all unemployed, doesn't happen one in a million in Spain, happens to everyone, the constructions field in Spain is absolutely dead, too many buildings are left at the middle of building, and I've been looking for Video reports, and they're all in Arabic, because Moroccan channels talks about that, and lately they said the workers, only workers, Spanish workers who lives in Morocco, who register themselves in the state office are 140,000 so can you guess the number of people who didn't register, these who're illegally working ? Good luck for you !!
 

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Times have changed sice the 11.09.2001, during blinding by Media People in Europe are full of hate of Islam ! In an event of a Crisis which beginn with Riots for example Morocco and it's People will be blamed for the Crisis, so far far Spain will recieve strong politic and public Support even in Event of Agression !
Times have changed sice the 11.09.2001, during blinding by Media People in Europe are full of hate of Islam ! In an event of a Crisis which beginn with Riots for example Morocco and it's People will be blamed for the Crisis, so far far Spain will recieve strong politic and public Support even in Event of Agression !

If Turkey for example kill some PKK Terrorist european Media would call this Massacre ! :cuckoo:
Of course the European Media is full of hate of Islam, because the Muslim immigrants for intense who lives there, continue to increase due the high birth rate, and there was a document, that says it's a matter of time the Muslims in Europe will be more than 50% of the European citizens, and that means the constitution of each country will change it official religion recording to the happening, and this is an Canadian Report..


Start the video from 1:10
 

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Let us not talk more about relative merits of Spanish and Moroccan economies. Shall we?
 

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Few things. Some people asked about AASM for an eventual Moroccan Rafale. Fact is AASM (aswell as MICA btw) is implemented on MF-2000. About long range stand off weapons (SCALP), international regulations would forbid selling more than 250 Kms range missile to Morocco, so expect the Black Shaheen version of SCALP.
I don't think there would be restrictions on a Rafale deal to Morocco, the advent of a war with spain is highly umprobable. And military relationships atm are very good between France and Morocco, as demonstrated for example in CAR.
We will see...
 

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There is no Muslim country that recognized them or have the political courage to say so:victory1:. Even our own muslim parties refuse to take a stand on it. But as long as they have Algeria and her people with her, that's all the RASD needs.

Rafale can be good to intimidate Algiers, but not Spain.
Really?:omghaha::omghaha:
Algiers is not intimidated by either Spain or Morocco with Rafale or no Rafale.
 
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Future threat analysis for Morocco should take into account Algiers whose air force is more potent than Morocco's
Algeria is perceived as the threat by Morocco, but she is not, nor she consider Morocco as a threat to her.
If , she was a threat, Algeria had and still have ample reasons to attack Morocco. But to this, she has done everything to quit things down and not to get on the unamicable cheap shots that is constantly bombarded by Moroccan officials, without diminishing the drug dumping on our west and south borders.
 

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Since Morocco is close Ally of US in any event US could supply more F-16s or even deploy their own squadron against the russian supported Algerian Air Force. F-16s are good enough to take care of SU-24 and Mig-29 so more F-16s is high possibility.
You are seriously underestimating the Algerian air arm.
The Algerian Air Force, is the only force with that of Israel that are capable to conduct and carry operation far away from her shores. They have the technology, the experience, and highly trained pilots. I sincerely don't believe that a F16 can make a dent against the 29s she has. The Algerian Air force equip and train to fight against a western foe, not with Morocco, while we do not underestimate the capabilities of the latter, or any of our neighbouring countries.
 

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You are seriously underestimating the Algerian air arm.
The Algerian Air Force, is the only force with that of Israel that are capable to conduct and carry operation far away from her shores. They have the technology, the experience, and highly trained pilots. I sincerely don't believe that a F16 can make a dent against the 29s she has. The Algerian Air force equip and train to fight against a western foe, not with Morocco, while we do not underestimate the capabilities of the latter, or any of our neighbouring countries.
Did I underestimate at all you may list fulcrums/su-30/su-24 as the only possible products that shall face F-16 Block 52, I said Moroccan F-16s are highly modern and could possibly order more F-16s instead of any other Aircraft to face opposition. You have to sincerely believe and never underestimate Enemy, F-16 is very capable Aircraft with Record, please go and check f-16.net reputable site filled with F-16 veteran pilots..next please check what comes with F-16s.. F-1 Mirages wold be used for Strikes an very potent platform. As for the Training goes most Moroccan crew/pilots with US/french equipment gets training from West which is always top notch without doubt.

The only way we can see who comes out victors is if they both go to War.
 

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There is no Muslim country that recognized them or have the political courage to say so:victory1:. Even our own muslim parties refuse to take a stand on it. But as long as they have Algeria and her people with her, that's all the RASD needs.


Really?:omghaha::omghaha:
Algiers is not intimidated by either Spain or Morocco with Rafale or no Rafale.


Does Algeria have problems with Spain to ? I wasn't aware of any.
 

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