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Yes, the current engine is more than sufficient to supply power to all these things without affecting flight performance. PAF wouldn’t put the new radar on the aircraft if it didn’t have enough power to run it, besides, while the radar is a rather massive upgrade over the last one, it’s still a relatively small radar given the relatively small aircraft. I don’t think MAWS draws much power anyways.

There are jets with bigger radars and more sensors that can carry more than JF-17 with weaker engines. Again, I don’t know how this notion started that the JF-17 is underpowered, it’s really not true.

A new project requires money and time we do not have, Block 3 and a further block 4 are still the best way forward, J-10C can be inducted as a stop gap. What remains to be seen is how Pakistan handles its 5th Gen project, it’s already too late to join the J-31/J-35 project and Azm is more of an experiment, I hope they figure something out In regards to the TFX or J-35 soon.
Block 4? We can't modify it further. It's not made to fight heavy fighter jets. F-16s are still pretty much alone. We need a fighter jet which can assist f-16s on offensive roles. I want su-35 or j-31.
 

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Block 4? We can't modify it further. It's not made to fight heavy fighter jets. F-16s are still pretty much alone. We need a fighter jet which can assist f-16s on offensive roles. I want su-35 or j-31.
Can j10c if procured, work in this role brother?
 

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As far as the engines are concerned going for the Chinese option is not a bright idea
Chinese tend to over exaggerate their products
They still don't have the required metallurgical bench marks & experience to come up with a reliable engine
Remember J17 is a single engine aircraft
You can't go wrong with the engine
Absolutely BS, Chinese now always understate their military product for public and only give crucial info for top military personnel.

Chinese technology has improved over the few decades. Even the J-20 has using domestic engine. Our destroyer has been using domestic gas turbine for decades and not break down or anything. Unlike the UK Type 45 destroyer which frequent breaksdown and even need a tow boat to escort.
 

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If this was the case PAF haven't chosen the Rd-93 and ASELPOD for the JF-17 fleet. The very fact that PAF chose western LDP is proof that where China is at in optronics.
Is it more a problem of China only selling downgraded variants and versions that are one level older than the most modern being provided to the PLAAF/PLAN etc. Is it a case of Pakistan wanting to diversified supplied lines and wanting to get the best bang for its buck. Is the downgraded "export" variant of ASELPOD "still" more capable than the downgraded "export" version of the peer product from China ?

For example - do we "really" know how capable the HQ-9P export variant is compared to the HQ-9Bs that China operates? And is the only reason why Pakistan has purchased the HQ-9B variant because China will sell the "full version" now because China now has the HQ-9C which is/will be entering service now ? Is that the same case with the J10C, now that China has the J20/J-35/J-15s, etc.

I dont know... but lets not be niaeve about it..

But having "options" and "choices" is important - and supporting the development of Turkeys military-industrial complex is in the national strategic interest for Pakistan.
 
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If this was the case PAF haven't chosen the Rd-93 and ASELPOD for the JF-17 fleet. The very fact that PAF chose western LDP is proof that where China is at in optronics.
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I am quite sure, if PAC had the IP of certain elements instead of workshare as a leverage against CAIG, by now PAF had chosen the avionics & radar package from Italy or Spain for Block 3. But certain restrictions are imposed by China, China only loves to market JF-17 through Pakistan.

Yeah, PAC gets some workshare for export order, but not the leverage they should have. This is more of a case of China to have a cake and eat it too, and Pakistan have no choice but to accept certain demands of China.

Lets see if PAC able to make unauthorized changes in MLU of Block-1, and saying FU to CAIG. Like China did to Russia.
China said FU to Russia ... When did that happen? Even if we agree on that, Can't you see that happen when Chinese MIC had already come a long way, and they had confident on their own systems. Pakistani MIC is nothing in comparison what Chinese were to the Russia's. RD-93 engine was chosen for FC-1/JF-17 because at that time (in early 2000s) China had no domestic engine ready. R&D on WS series was still in early stages and PAF was in dire need of a BVR capable fighter to prevent a Kargil like predicament. Thunder is not the only project PAC will ever do with CATIC, you will see in the future, more and bigger collaboration in mil aviation and this will continue till the day our industrial base comes to a level where we can design and manufacture our own sub-systems.
 

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Block 4? We can't modify it further. It's not made to fight heavy fighter jets. F-16s are still pretty much alone. We need a fighter jet which can assist f-16s on offensive roles. I want su-35 or j-31.
That is literally the equivalent of asking a Chinese or Russian speaker to communicate effectively with an English speaker.
 

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But having "options" and "choices" is important - and supporting the development of Turkeys military-industrial complex is in the national strategic interest for Pakistan.
If you ask me, and I put myself in the shoes of Pakistani, I don't care what Turkey does, I will be quite happy to throw them under the bus if it interests me. The only national interest is supporting your own development and MIC. And thinking about how to get certain techs from Turkey through contracts, or through espionage in the cover of brotherly love.

Don't ever underestimate the power of holding intellectual property rights, but that is not my place to suggest things here. But I suggest same for us, and I am quite sure as Indians if it interests us we throw Russia or France under the bus.
 

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YEEEEEES ! I distinctly remember money growing on trees during that period. Zardari and Waja Not so Shareef were cultivating bumper crops of it.
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Zardari and Nawaz were King of Kings and they did what's their accounts needed instead of thinking about the country needs. This is the tragedy of Muslim history we simply had handful leaders and rest of them were just rulers of self interests.
 

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If you ask me, and I put myself in the shoes of Pakistani, I don't care what Turkey does, I will be quite happy to throw them under the bus if it interests me. The only national interest is supporting your own development and MIC. And thinking about how to get certain techs from Turkey through contracts, or through espionage in the cover of brotherly love.

Don't ever underestimate the power of holding intellectual property rights, but that is not my place to suggest things here. But I suggest same for us, and I am quite sure as Indians if it interests us we throw Russia or France under the bus.
Exactly for India, it works but not here. Keep Chanakyas for Indian friends.
 

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Is it more a problem of China only selling downgraded variants and versions that are one level older than the most modern being provided to the PLAAF/PLAN etc. Is it a case of Pakistan wanting to diversified supplied lines and wanting to get the best bang for its buck. Is the downgraded "export" variant of ASELPOD "still" more capable than the downgraded "export" version of the peer product from China ?

For example - do we "really" know how capable the HQ-9P export variant is compared to the HQ-9Bs that China operates? And is the only reason why Pakistan has purchased the HQ-9B variant because China will sell the "full version" now because China now has the HQ-9C which is/will be entering service now ? Is that the same case with the J10C, now that China has the J20/J-35/J-15s, etc.

I dont know... but lets not be niaeve about it..

But having "options" and "choices" is important - and supporting the development of Turkeys military-industrial complex is in the national strategic interest for Pakistan.
Maybe they are not the newest or the advancest ,but they still work.
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JN1101-F airborne communication countermeasure system on D20
 

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