What's new

Japan lends $2.67b

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
Japan is an US slave which doesn't have independent foreign policy, US can bend Japan's will and order Japan to hurt itself at US will, but US can do nothing about China, China will never hurt herself just to please US.
No, Japan knows its limit as being a nation without no resources except farmland to grow foods and sea areas to catch fish.

Japan is a maritime country that cannot survive without exporting finished goods to other countries, especially the USA, and buying raw materials and fuels from abroad in exchange.

So, in essence, what you say slavery is actually a policy of not cutting the tree branch on which Japan sits. Japan's policy is very pragmatic that will not cause its fall.

The present Japanese govt does not allow ultranationalism to grow to a point that may cause conflict with Asian countries, especially with China as it did after the 1900s.

So, it always acts prudently in order to balance the order around it.
 

beijingwalker

ELITE MEMBER
Nov 4, 2011
45,876
-5
89,827
Country
China
Location
China
No, Japan knows its limit as being a nation without no resources except farmland to grow foods and sea areas to catch fish.

Japan is a maritime country that cannot survive without exporting finished goods to other countries, especially the USA, and buying raw materials and fuels from abroad in exchange.

So, in essence, what you say slavery is actually a policy of not cutting the tree branch on which Japan sits. Japan's policy is very pragmatic that will not cause its fall.

The present Japanese govt does not allow ultranationalism to grow to a point that may cause conflict with Asian countries, especially with China as it did after the 1900s.

So, it always acts prudently in order to balance the order around it.
Actually Japan for decades wanted to mend relations with Russia, but because US says no, Japan just can't do it. In 1990's, US forced Japan to accept suicide economic policies and Japan had no other choices but to followed the US command, and this is the reason why today's Japan's economy is smaller than what it was in 1995, can anyone imagine this? US normolised relations with China in 1971 without noticing Japan and Japan was caught off guard, but it quikcly followed US step and nomalized relations with China soon after, it's a fact that Japan doesn't have independent foreign policy.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
Actually Japan for decades wanted to mend relations with Russia, but because US says no, Japan just can't do it. In 1990's, US forced Japan to accept suicide economic policies and Japan had no other choices but to followed the US command, and this is the reason why today's Japan's economy is smaller than what it was in 1995, can anyone imagine this? US normolised relations with China in 1971 without noticing Japan and Japan was caught off guard, but it quikcly followed US step and nomalized relations with China soon after, it's a fact that Japan doesn't have independent foreign policy.
Simply speaking, Japanese LDP leaders do not want to adopt any policy that may cause the rise of nationalistic forces that may harm both the relationship with the Asian mainland as well as the Japan-US relationship.

By the way, you do not have to worry about the independence of Japan. It is an independent country in the age of interdependence. Japanese are pragmatic people to know their country' limit. They do not want to overtop it and jeopardise its economic future.

Do not please talk how smaller is now Japanese economy. Come and visit Japan to see the Japanese in average live a better life than an average American. GDP figures do not show the reality.
 

beijingwalker

ELITE MEMBER
Nov 4, 2011
45,876
-5
89,827
Country
China
Location
China
They do not want to overtop it and jeopardise its economic future.
They already did under US pressure in 1990's. It doesn't have an independent foreign policy is a known fact. If US befriends China today, Japan will do the same tomorrow, this is how close they follow US policies. Do you know why Japan became the enemy country of every single of its neighbors in its immediate neighborhood? Because US wants it being this way. It serves US interests, but not Japan's.
 
Last edited:

Bilal9

ELITE MEMBER
Feb 4, 2014
21,043
2
32,742
Country
Bangladesh
Location
United States
OK Guys, let's agree to disagree, as we will not settle this argument here it seems.

Having differing points of view about Japan's economic and political independence is not a bad thing, but let's open a separate thread to discuss this - if we can.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
They already did under US pressure in 1990's. It doesn't have an independent foreign policy is a known fact. If US befriends China today, Japan will do the same tomorrow, this is how close they follow US policies. Do you know why Japan became the enemy country of every single of its neighbors in its immediate neighborhood? Because US wants it being this way. It serves US interests, but not Japan's.
Yes, I know why Japan became an enemy country of its neighbors. It is because once it became technologically superior almost at the level of Europe and America, it started to behave like them in the late 1800s.

- It occupied and colonized Formosa/ Taiwan in the late 1800s.
- It occupied both Korea
- it fought against and destroyed the Russian Baltic Fleet in the early 1900s in the Tsushima Strait/ Yellow Sea.
- It fought against China and captured Manchuria and established a new Kingdom (Manchukuo) there.

You know it is a long story. But Japan prevailed in the 1st WW and long before that many of its gains were recognized by the Western powers in the Treaty of Portsmouth in 1905. Now, please note wiki citation on the end of 1st WW.

"The year 1919 saw Japan's representative Saionji Kinmochi sitting alongside the "Big Four" (Lloyd George, Wilson, Clemenceau, Orlando) leaders at the Paris Peace Conference.

Tokyo gained a permanent seat on the Council of the League of Nations, and the Paris Peace Conference confirmed the transfer to Japan of Germany's rights in Shandong. Similarly, Germany's more northerly Pacific islands came under a Japanese mandate, called the South Seas Mandate.

During the conference, the Japanese delegation proposed that a "racial equality clause" be attached to the Covenant of the League of Nations, similar to the covenant's religious equality clause; however, this proposal was ultimately unsuccessful despite a majority of delegations voting for it.

This rejection of the proposal has been seen by some historians as an event which contributed to Japan turning away from the Western world in the years after World War I. Japan, by now a great power, continued to expand its influence after the war".[14][15]

The above being the short history of Japan in the immediate past, Japan deviated from this path after WWll. It anchored itself with the Western economies and went after further and rapid industrialization.

The result is one of the best economies of the world whereby the resource-poor Japanese people are enjoying the fruits of their long struggle in war and now in peace. Japan knows peace can prevail by anchoring only with America and Europe.

Deviating from this path will open ways of militarism and war with its neighbors. So, no more turning away from the West.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
@beijingwalker, instead of sending barbs on the past of Japan, how about enjoying the Autumn pictures here? Nature is very beautiful here and autumn is most beautiful. China or other cold countries have similar natural background.

BD is a full-time green country. So, @Bilal9, @Atlas, @Destranator and others from BD will certainly like the sceneries. Autumn is colorful here. Since my first coming to Japan, I just fell for the sceneries and I could not leave Japan.

1638079939426.png


1638079978313.png

1638080017804.png


1638080064606.png

1638080159258.png


1638080189561.png
 

beijingwalker

ELITE MEMBER
Nov 4, 2011
45,876
-5
89,827
Country
China
Location
China
Yes, I know why Japan became an enemy country of its neighbors. It is because once it became technologically superior almost at the level of Europe and America, it started to behave like them in the late 1800s.

- It occupied and colonized Formosa/ Taiwan in the late 1800s.
- It occupied both Korea
- it fought against and destroyed the Russian Baltic Fleet in the early 1900s in the Tsushima Strait/ Yellow Sea.
- It fought against China and captured Manchuria and established a new Kingdom (Manchukuo) there.

You know it is a long story. But Japan prevailed in the 1st WW and long before that many of its gains were recognized by the Western powers in the Treaty of Portsmouth in 1905. Now, please note wiki citation on the end of 1st WW.

"The year 1919 saw Japan's representative Saionji Kinmochi sitting alongside the "Big Four" (Lloyd George, Wilson, Clemenceau, Orlando) leaders at the Paris Peace Conference.

Tokyo gained a permanent seat on the Council of the League of Nations, and the Paris Peace Conference confirmed the transfer to Japan of Germany's rights in Shandong. Similarly, Germany's more northerly Pacific islands came under a Japanese mandate, called the South Seas Mandate.

During the conference, the Japanese delegation proposed that a "racial equality clause" be attached to the Covenant of the League of Nations, similar to the covenant's religious equality clause; however, this proposal was ultimately unsuccessful despite a majority of delegations voting for it.

This rejection of the proposal has been seen by some historians as an event which contributed to Japan turning away from the Western world in the years after World War I. Japan, by now a great power, continued to expand its influence after the war".[14][15]

The above being the short history of Japan in the immediate past, Japan deviated from this path after WWll. It anchored itself with the Western economies and went after further and rapid industrialization.

The result is one of the best economies of the world whereby the resource-poor Japanese people are enjoying the fruits of their long struggle in war and now in peace. Japan knows peace can prevail by anchoring only with America and Europe.

Deviating from this path will open ways of militarism and war with its neighbors. So, no more turning away from the West.
It's mostly about How Japan thinks about its past, Europe can become united and Germany, France, UK can be close allies largely because they share the common view about what happened in WW2, which is not the case in East Asia. China and Koreas share one version of the history while Japan has another.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
It's mostly about How Japan thinks about its past, Europe can become united and Germany, France, UK can be close allies largely because they share the common view about what happened in WW2, which is not the case in East Asia. China and Koreas share one version of the history while Japan has another.
Japan is not a country that changes color every fortnight. It will remain a part of the western power group. It remains the most developed country by all parameters and in many respects, its social system supersedes that of America.

No homeless and no broken roads. Everyone has a job. I have visited a few European countries and I understand that Japan is superior to many of them. I have also visited a small part of China's Kunming. Considering the hot water supply system and toilets there,

China will take another 200 years to reach the present level of Japan. The surroundings of the Kunming Airport is good, but go a few km, it is very premitive by the Japanese standard. Japan is fully developed. Go farther from Tokyo, the country is more developed.

I do not see KOreans any more, but many Chinese, Vietnamese or Indonesinas work here. So, Japan remains a proud country. Previously Japanese would visit Europe and come back happily to tell the beauties of Europe. Nowadays, they would come back and say Japan has progressed more than Europe.

So, Japan will remain a proud country with all these achievements. And do not please expect it to become a TAIL of China.
 

Azadkashmir

BANNED
Nov 10, 2012
8,042
0
10,010
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
no homel
Japan is not a country that changes color every fortnight. It will remain a part of the western power group. It remains the most developed country by all parameters and in many respects, its social system supersedes that of America.

No homeless and no broken roads. Everyone has a job. I have visited a few European countries and I understand that Japan is superior to many of them. I have also visited a small part of China's Kunming. Considering the hot water supply system and toilets there,

China will take another 200 years to reach the present level of Japan. The surroundings of the Kunming Airport is good, but go a few km, it is very premitive by the Japanese standard. Japan is fully developed. Go farther from Tokyo, the country is more developed.

I do not see KOreans any more, but many Chinese, Vietnamese or Indonesinas work here. So, Japan remains a proud country. Previously Japanese would visit Europe and come back happily to tell the beauties of Europe. Nowadays, they would come back and say Japan has progressed more than Europe.

So, Japan will remain a proud country with all these achievements. And do not please expect it to become a TAIL of China.
no homeless wrong there are many they live in tiny net cafes.
usa is sucking soul out of japan and messed up japans prosperity now Japanese have to squeeze themselves when they should be enjoying like western europe. if japan dont listen its economy would be sabotaged or fukishima. Then there is sly game between usa and china tech transfer which is competitor to japan tech. japan population is not having enough. babies.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
no homeless wrong there are many they live in tiny net cafes.
It is only because some drunkards do not want to go back to their houses because the last trains have left stations. They are not called homeless. They stay until morning and pay money for it.

They leave before office time in the morning.
 
Last edited:

Azadkashmir

BANNED
Nov 10, 2012
8,042
0
10,010
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
It is only because some drunkards do not want to work. Do not please generalize this thing. It is as rare as a pearl can be.

please dont get carried away there are plenty of beggars in japan you just dont see them in media.
These were not drunks.
 

bluesky

ELITE MEMBER
Jun 14, 2016
13,379
0
14,912
Country
Bangladesh
Location
Japan
please dont get carried away there are plenty of beggars in japan you just dont see them in media.
These were not drunks.
Read the revised post above and learn the meaning of "Net Cafe". It is Internet Cafe and not a parking space where the homeless people in America sleep.

Please if you do not know about Japan, do not please argue and learn something from someone who knows about Japan. There are some vagabonds but there is no homeless in Japan.
 

Azadkashmir

BANNED
Nov 10, 2012
8,042
0
10,010
Country
Pakistan
Location
United Kingdom
Read the revised post above and learn the meaning of "Net Cafe". It is Internet Cafe and not a parking space where the homeless people in America sleep.

Please if you do not know about Japan, do not please argue and learn something from someone who knows about Japan. There are some vagabonds but there is no homeless in Japan.

i am not going to upload video to prove to you. There are homeless ppl i have seen on youtube, so calm down mr japan know it all.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Total: 1, Members: 0, Guests: 1)


Top Bottom