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J-20 fighters now in every Chinese Theatre Commands, overtaking F 22 in numbers soon, making it the world's largest fifth-generation fighter force

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The F-22A has been the best fighter in the world for two decades, but it would not be surprising that the J-20 has advantage in some areas.
There WILL BE NO tactical advantage gain for the PLAAF with the J-20 even if the J-20 does have some technical advantages. Here is why the J-20 and the Su-57 are DOA.

The below is a simplified visual explanation of how radars sees any body...

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...As a CLUSTER of voltage spikes.

The below is a more sophisticated visual representation...

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The higher the operating freq and the more refined the data processing of the reflected signals, the more complex the final display.

Even if the reflected signals are 'stealth' meaning amplitude (strength) is low enough to blend/mask with background radiation, the CHARACTERISTICS of the reflected signals are still evident. The first character is amplitude, which is low enough to be filtered out by most radars. The second character is that clustering or grouping of signals. More detailed characters about the body are revealed by the radar pulse characteristics but we can leave those alone for now.

What is significant is that general types of bodies produces recognizable cluster signatures. A sphere would not produce a complex cluster like the above visual representations. A cube would also not produce complex signal clusters but the cube would produce a different cluster signature than the sphere. We have baseline library of simple shapes for decades.


Abstract:
Radar cross section (RCS) methods for simple shapes are reviewed with special attention being devoted to results rather than to derivations of the formulas involved. In addition, special emphasis is placed on an approach which can be extended to "complex" shapes. Where possible, comparisons between theory and experiment are provided to give a measure of the accuracy obtainable via the use of these techniques. The discussion is limited to perfectly conducting bodies: in particular, ellipsoids, finite cones, ogives, cylinders, thin wires, wire loops, and flat plates. An attempt is made to cover the complete spectrum of body dimension to wavelength ratios; that is, the Rayleigh region, the resonance region, and the optics region are all considered from the points of view of both monostatic and bistatic phenomena.​

A Rolls Royce cluster of signals would not be identical to a farm tractor but both clusters would have parallel characteristics. If the discrimination does not care if the clusters are Rolls Royce and John Deere, then the SIMILARITIES would be enough for 'other' purposes.

A major problem with most RCS calculations is that the seeking radar is usually static meaning ground based. Then the target aircraft is flown within the seeking radar beam. We already know that as aspect (viewing) angles changes, the reflected signals changes in terms of cluster amplitude and complexity. By the seeking radar being fixed on the ground, we have incomplete signal knowledge of the target. Airborne radars are not new but they are limited in construction due to aviation limitations such as size, weight, and aerodynamics.

Enter the RATT55...

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This modified 737 is even more secret than the next 'stealth' platform.


The NT-43A radar aircraft testbed (probably where the “Rat” call-sign comes from) is most likely the last stop in advanced low-signature testing and validation for new stealthy aircraft, new radar absorbent coatings and heat mitigation technologies, as well as exotic and stealthy structural modifications to existing aircraft. In other words, whether it be a whole new aircraft or just a new radar absorbing material applied to an existing stealthy aircraft, the NT-43A evaluates it under realistic flight conditions with its powerful radars and infrared energy detecting devices. Even repairs and depot-level work on existing stealth aircraft may be validated in flight via the NT-43A.​
The NT-43A’s massive radars are most likely able to take incredibly detailed synthetic aperture ‘pictures’ of their target aircraft, as well as collecting sensitive ‘raw’ radar measurements and associated data. Its front and rear pods that give the jet such an ungainly appearance allow it to collect radar and infrared data (the IR sensors sit atop the radar fairings) from every angle around the target aircraft in flight without having to fly at oblique angles towards and away from it. The radar system may have some bistatic capabilities when both front and back arrays are used in conjunction with one another.​

The highlighted is important. By being airborne, the RATT55 is able to scan the aircraft from multiple aspects (viewing) angles that are mostly cleared of ground reflections that always contaminates the signal set. But that is not all, precisely because all aircrafts produces similar cluster signatures, we now have a base library of common signal characteristics that WILL enable us to extrapolate an unknown signal set.

As if that is not enough...

...an aircraft may have very little radar signature head-on, but at certain angles its radar cross section grows significantly. Once these intricacies are very well documented, the performance of enemy radars, infrared search and track systems and anti-air missile systems can be better theorized. This allows for a much more accurate understanding of how close a ‘stealth’ aircraft can get to different threats without being detected or without being engaged. Mission planners can then build elaborate routes around known enemy air defense systems and give crews good advice on how to present the best aspect of their aircraft to unplanned for ‘pop-up’ threats so that they have the best chance of surviving a mission.​

Using what RATT55 produced, US planners can, or more likely HAVE, created exercises with complex EW threats. The great thing about EW exercises is that they are not exercises. There is no need to actually launch a SAM in order to produce a virtual 'kill'. In an EW exercise, an electronic identification of a target constitutes a 'kill', making any EW exercise essentially the real thing. Is there any wonder why we fly all those SIGINT sorties?

The J-20 is Dead On Arrival (DOA) and their pilots do not even know it.
 

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No drop for the ONE popular Republic of China policy
We all support CHINESE DEMOCACY VS. TYRANNY
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We all stand for FREEDOM !!!


And EU produces 99.9% of something 100x tougher than steel at same thickness which melts at 2652°C, stores energy and can enter magnetic levitation... and it's translucent
There is pretty few steel in fighter jet: mainly thermoplastics then titanium. Steel is for the Orcs' tanks tanks that, like the Pacific salmon, originate from the dark abysses of Russia and migrate to die in Ukraine's beautiful countryside


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Lol.. what values do EU have they close eye on abuse and murder of minorities by Israel and India Hindu?

Becos India and Israel stand on the western world order...



Where is the condemnation or sanction if you really value freedom and moral righteous? Don't stain those Sacre words when you used them as excuse to attack China who is likely to overtake western power in leading the new generation of world order.
 

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J-20 fighters now in every Chinese Theatre Commands, overtaking F 22 in numbers soon, making it the world's largest fifth-generation fighter force.​



May 30, 2022 In May 2022

Western analysts believe that the J-20 fighter has entered service in all Chinese Theatre Commands.

This is a major milestone of the only Chinese stealth fighter, the J-20. The latest development is an indication that the Chinese Air Force has achieved a healthy combination of stealthy J-20 fighters and more traditional J-16, J-11 and J10 fighters.

China's J-20 fleet is rapidly expanding and has already reached or surpassed the size of the U.S. F-22 Raptor fleet, meaning that by the end of 2022 or mid-2023, the J-20 number could exceed 185, overtaking the number of U.S. F-22 fighters. The J-20 fighters are rumored to be deployed to seven aviation brigades so far. They are the 176th, 172nd, 9th, 1st, 5th, 56th and 111th air brigades, covering all Chinese Theatre Commands.

Some enthusiasts have speculated that by the end of 2023, at least 12 aviation brigades of the Chinese Air Force will be fielding J-20 fighters. In addition, by the end of 2025, the Chinese military will have between 285 and 360 J-20 fighters deployed to about 20 aviation brigades, making it the world's largest fifth-generation fighter force. It is worth noting that both the two-seater version of the J-20 and the upgraded variant with the WS-15 turbofan are likely to enter service around 2024, which adds more capability to the J-20 fleet.

A healthy combination of the stealth fighter and more traditional fighters are also vital in the progress of Chinese military. The first Gulf War was a good example of this. The most advanced fighters back then, the F-15 and F-16 fighters worked with the F-4 electronic warfare aircraft, forming a much more fearsome strike force.

It was only in the past two years that the PLA Air Force began to form such a capability with the H-6 bombers, KJ-500 early warning aircraft, refueling aircraft, intelligence gathering aircraft, and a few models of fighter jets. The J-20 fighter could be facing off with the F-22 and F-35 fighters.

The F-22A has been the best fighter in the world for two decades, but it would not be surprising that the J-20 has advantage in some areas. It is worth noting the Chinese military have an keen eye on the latest domestically designed J-35 medium size stealth fighter, which could be the direct competitor to the American F-35 fighter.

In terms of US, Russia and China relationship, a major development in May 2022 is that the Chinese and Russian Air Force performed a joint patrol close to Japan, when Joe Biden was in Tokyo for the Quad summit. It is widely circulated that the J-20 fighters have started Eastern China Sea patrol, having close encounter with the F-35 fighters.

This is the first time two stealth fighter jets facing off in patrol flights. In the Chinese and Russian joint patrol, China sent the H-6K bombers and J-16 fighters. Experts believed that this is the first time that China has disclosed specific information about sending fighter jets to escort the Chinese and Russian bombers.

Soon the Chinese J-20 might join in to pressure Japan, South Korea and the U.S. The J-16, together with the J-20 and J-10C, have been practicing in various drills in these few years. If the Chinese H-6K bombers and the Russia Tu-95 bombers have the J-20 as escort fighters, their long range strike capability and survivability will clearly increase to another level.

The J-20S two-seat heavy multi-role stealth fighter jet might be proved to be another key player in this multi-nation competition. It could become the airborne command center with two-man crew, working with all kinds of combat platforms to form a powerful strike force. One mission would be the escort flights to ensure the Chinese long range bombers, especially the future H-20 stealth bomber can reach Japan or even further away, striking key targets of the U.S. pacific forces.

How about the F-35 count you are conveniently forgetting.

 

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You are avoiding your own comment. If the US military was 'defeated' by the Taliban, then why is the Afghan model of a military not used by the rest of the world? So it seems you got hoisted by your own comment. :lol:
you can believe whatever you want to nobody can stop you but reality is something else. And in time when oppressed people around the world will do adopt the Taliban model then you will be able to see your sorry arse handed back to you regularly. In the mean time enjoy the photos from Afghanistan and Vietnam
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you can believe whatever you want to nobody can stop you but reality is something else. And in time when oppressed people around the world will do adopt the Taliban model then you will be able to see your sorry arse handed back to you regularly. In the mean time enjoy the photos from Afghanistan and Vietnam
Yaaawwwwnnnn....

and how many wars will all 650 planes guarantee the US will win? 0!
Yaaawwwwnnnn....
 

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Looks like a j-20 movie is coming soon. With a part featuring the K-8 in some sort of training exercise accident?. Hope the PAF can use it ( despite it being shown as part of an accident) as an opportunity to market the K-8NG for the global CAS mission.

 

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J-20 fighters now in every Chinese Theatre Commands, overtaking F 22 in numbers soon, making it the world's largest fifth-generation fighter force.​



May 30, 2022 In May 2022

Western analysts believe that the J-20 fighter has entered service in all Chinese Theatre Commands.

This is a major milestone of the only Chinese stealth fighter, the J-20. The latest development is an indication that the Chinese Air Force has achieved a healthy combination of stealthy J-20 fighters and more traditional J-16, J-11 and J10 fighters.

China's J-20 fleet is rapidly expanding and has already reached or surpassed the size of the U.S. F-22 Raptor fleet, meaning that by the end of 2022 or mid-2023, the J-20 number could exceed 185, overtaking the number of U.S. F-22 fighters. The J-20 fighters are rumored to be deployed to seven aviation brigades so far. They are the 176th, 172nd, 9th, 1st, 5th, 56th and 111th air brigades, covering all Chinese Theatre Commands.

Some enthusiasts have speculated that by the end of 2023, at least 12 aviation brigades of the Chinese Air Force will be fielding J-20 fighters. In addition, by the end of 2025, the Chinese military will have between 285 and 360 J-20 fighters deployed to about 20 aviation brigades, making it the world's largest fifth-generation fighter force. It is worth noting that both the two-seater version of the J-20 and the upgraded variant with the WS-15 turbofan are likely to enter service around 2024, which adds more capability to the J-20 fleet.

A healthy combination of the stealth fighter and more traditional fighters are also vital in the progress of Chinese military. The first Gulf War was a good example of this. The most advanced fighters back then, the F-15 and F-16 fighters worked with the F-4 electronic warfare aircraft, forming a much more fearsome strike force.

It was only in the past two years that the PLA Air Force began to form such a capability with the H-6 bombers, KJ-500 early warning aircraft, refueling aircraft, intelligence gathering aircraft, and a few models of fighter jets. The J-20 fighter could be facing off with the F-22 and F-35 fighters.

The F-22A has been the best fighter in the world for two decades, but it would not be surprising that the J-20 has advantage in some areas. It is worth noting the Chinese military have an keen eye on the latest domestically designed J-35 medium size stealth fighter, which could be the direct competitor to the American F-35 fighter.

In terms of US, Russia and China relationship, a major development in May 2022 is that the Chinese and Russian Air Force performed a joint patrol close to Japan, when Joe Biden was in Tokyo for the Quad summit. It is widely circulated that the J-20 fighters have started Eastern China Sea patrol, having close encounter with the F-35 fighters.

This is the first time two stealth fighter jets facing off in patrol flights. In the Chinese and Russian joint patrol, China sent the H-6K bombers and J-16 fighters. Experts believed that this is the first time that China has disclosed specific information about sending fighter jets to escort the Chinese and Russian bombers.

Soon the Chinese J-20 might join in to pressure Japan, South Korea and the U.S. The J-16, together with the J-20 and J-10C, have been practicing in various drills in these few years. If the Chinese H-6K bombers and the Russia Tu-95 bombers have the J-20 as escort fighters, their long range strike capability and survivability will clearly increase to another level.

The J-20S two-seat heavy multi-role stealth fighter jet might be proved to be another key player in this multi-nation competition. It could become the airborne command center with two-man crew, working with all kinds of combat platforms to form a powerful strike force. One mission would be the escort flights to ensure the Chinese long range bombers, especially the future H-20 stealth bomber can reach Japan or even further away, striking key targets of the U.S. pacific forces.
goodie! More targets for us!
No countries on this planet can beat China's mass production capabilities.
It's made in China.. oh well!
Does this mean you guys will stop using Top Gun clips for your propaganda purposes?
hahahahaha!!!
Taiwan is almost an independent country with its own military, police, elections, passport, government, national sports teams, flag, education system, .....

It's an isle out of control of China, why are you talking about others countries accepting or not "one China" policy???
I suggest they take care of Taiwan first. it's been like what? 70 years?

Looks like a j-20 movie is coming soon. With a part featuring the K-8 in some sort of training exercise accident?. Hope the PAF can use it ( despite it being shown as part of an accident) as an opportunity to market the K-8NG for the global CAS mission.

so which Top Gun CLips will they be using again? @gambit what say you?
 

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Taiwan is almost an independent country with its own military, police, elections, passport, government, national sports teams, flag, education system, .....

It's an isle out of control of China, why are you talking about others countries accepting or not "one China" policy???
Because Taiwan (with all its army/police etc) is the last renmant of Republic of China that has yet surrendered to People's Republic of China since the Chinese civil war of 1949.

Regardless of whether it is PRC, ROC, Qing, Ming etc. By whatever anme that they borne, they are all China.
 

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No countries on this planet can beat the Arabs in mass acquiring military capabilities.

Unless this mass production is programmed to take back Taiwan, it's just rotting devices .....
Intentionally dragging arab here you must be an iranians . To be honest any thing they bought is way better then your 5th gen plastic plane ( with charging cord) .
 

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I know you are B*llsh*ting Cuz your math simply ain't matching right,
If 800 f35s have been delivered so far and USA operates 650 of them that would mean only 150 are operated abroad so shall we look the operators of these supposedly 150 planes :

1. Australia: 48


2 . South Korea: 40


3 . Israel: 33


4 . Norway: 31


Oh wait 😳 ... only these four make around 152 planes haven't even counted in ITALY, UK, JAPAN, DENMARK , NETHERLANDS.

So clearly not 650, more like 500-550-ish plus 153 f22s since they're retiring around 33 makes total 5th gen numbers to 700 max still WAAAYYYYY bigger than Chinese current force. But chinese have put j20 in mass production and given their production capacity they might chug 50-60 an year,with j35 around the corner and this is at the time US airforce is cutting its
own procurement.


And Apperantly some smart-a*s here said Wikipedia ain't authentic (that's true I agree with him btw), but ironic enough he hasn't provided reliable source himself to confirm the 650 f35s operational with USA claim.
Don't know about the other, Australia NEVER had 48 F-35. Maybe 24 is more likely number, as they only have 2 squadron flying them. The 3rd Squadron is going to be active in 2023. Which mean we will have 36 in 2023.
 

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