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J-11B, Su-35K vs F-15SE, F/A-18E/F Block III

Pulsar

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su-35 is only a Ok fighter far from the effectiveness that the Russian have bragged

its avionics and weapon systems dont even come close to F-15SE and J-11D/J-15
:rofl: Are you for real? Unlike the SU-30s, the J-11 is a complete copy of the earlier Russian SU-27 except for a few modifications. And the Chinese-made engines are no patch on the original Russian engines on the SU-30s.
 

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:rofl: Are you for real? Unlike the SU-30s, the J-11 is a complete copy of the earlier Russian SU-27 except for a few modifications. And the Chinese-made engines are no patch on the original Russian engines on the SU-30s.
J-11B, Su-35K vs F-15SE, F/A-18E/F Block III
actually the comparison between Russian and American weapons.

Russian : cheap, inferior but comparable to American in some way.
Our country almost depend on Russian weapon, but if it's possible we love the arm sale from USA.
We remember how Soviet Union specialists reach their climax when we let them pick the F-5E as gift after Vietnam War. They loves UH-1A too.
 

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:rofl: Are you for real? Unlike the SU-30s, the J-11 is a complete copy of the earlier Russian SU-27 except for a few modifications. And the Chinese-made engines are no patch on the original Russian engines on the SU-30s.
incorrect. The J-11s are 700 kg lighter due to use of more composite parts. 700 kg is a *big fking deal* in aircraft.

As I know in order to make an aircraft fly, supercruise, maneuver or dogfight ... it depends much on the engine.
Just want to remind you
lmao you are a joke.

extremely easy to disprove:

a radar with anti-air missiles still functions as a weapon, but an engine with no radar and no missiles is useless.
 

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incorrect. The J-11s are 700 kg lighter due to use of more composite parts. 700 kg is a *big fking deal* in aircraft.
Right! But your engines are half as powerful as the Russian ones!! If you didn't make the J-11s lighter, they wouldn't have been able to take off! ;) :lol:
 

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Right! But your engines are half as powerful as the Russian ones!! If you didn't make the J-11s lighter, they wouldn't have been able to take off! ;) :lol:
so is reducing the mass of the aircraft by nearly a ton not a big deal..? Because this is the type of redesign that gets you promotions in industry. And the engine situation, even if true, is temporary - what if the engines are fixed or there's imported engines being used? What then? they'll be far superior at that point.
 

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so is reducing the mass of the aircraft by nearly a ton not a big deal..? Because this is the type of redesign that gets you promotions in industry. And the engine situation, even if true, is temporary - what if the engines are fixed or there's imported engines being used? What then? they'll be far superior at that point.
Agreed! But when are you guys gonna get your engines fixed? You've been trying your darnedest but have been unsuccessful so far!
 

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well it's not a junk fighter of course... even if it take time.. no prob.. at least we are not painting something which were produced somewhere else...
Some countries are experts in paint jobs - from North Korean and Chinese missiles to Chinese aircraft and drones!! :p:
 

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Some countries are experts in paint jobs - from North Korean and Chinese missiles to Chinese aircraft and drones!! :p:
I wonder sometimes when some members claim... chinese jets are far advanced and generation ahead of Russian jets... Ironically they got lot Su-30's and and the jets copied from Russian su-27's... yet they claim J-11D avionics, weapons, Radar packages are generation ahead of Su-35.... just because chinese copied su-27 named as J-11A,B.D... Do they checked How many Su-27 variants are available and what are the major difference between Recent versions.... may be J-11D got goodies than J-11A... but claiming generation leap over the most advance 4++ jets is just silly assumption...
 

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I wonder sometimes when some members claim... chinese jets are far advanced and generation ahead of Russian jets... Ironically they got lot Su-30's and and the jets copied from Russian su-27's... yet they claim J-11D avionics, weapons, Radar packages are generation ahead of Su-35.... just because chinese copied su-27 named as J-11A,B.D... Do they checked How many Su-27 variants are available and what are the major difference between Recent versions.... may be J-11D got goodies than J-11A... but claiming generation leap over the most advance 4++ jets is just silly assumption...
Chest thumping on fictitious claims is an old habit of the Chinese.

As the saying goes: You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. :azn:
 

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