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It's time to embrace Missile Defense?

Discussion in 'Pakistan Strategic Forces' started by Fawadqasim1, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Fawadqasim1

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  2. Hassan Guy

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    Saudi Arabia has been intercepting ballistic missiles on a regular basis, but when I come on PDF the keyboard field marshals say they don't work and Pakistan doesn't need them.
     
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    Fawadqasim1 SENIOR MEMBER

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    A country heavily relying on bmds is lurking in grimpen mire.

    Hearing from you sir after a long time how are you sir. I mean two dozen interceptors against 1to 3 srbms
    With confirmed misses.
     
  4. Hassan Guy

    Hassan Guy SENIOR MEMBER

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    Thank you for that nice response, im still alive.
    The thing is pretty much ever nuclear armed state has Anti-ballistic missiles, we've invested in air defence systems....because they work. And we definitely need ABM's.....because they work.
     
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    Missile defense are cheaper than stealth 5 gen aircraft production that is why russia has invested heavily in it to counter u.s stealth jets due to less budget for defense as compared to u.s and bad economy
     
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    Looking at how many missiles Saudia has been shooting down it seems alot of the missiles are now a bit obsolete. And I am sure the stuff Saudia has are a full generation behind

    Simply depending on Missiles alone is enough

    Similarly the SAM missiles have been defeated by Swarms of incoming Cruise missiles as US showed in Syria

    So for every weapon there is a counter weapon and tactic

    However having a layered SAM system is something we must continue to evolve
     
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    hi hope you are good.
    yes Saudis have been intercepting them and yes they have been successful on some occasions and failed on others. So the issue here is any thing less than 100% is doom to fail because sadly for Pakistan the missiles which will land on us will not be first gen fired by Houthis but they will be Russian and Israeli tech labeled as Indian with nuclear war heads. if a single missile manages to get through missile defence it will take out millions with its nuclear pay load.

    I am not an expert in this field but going with my common sense I think instead of wasting money on missile defence we (Pakistan) should do at what we already have control and that will be to have better delivery system of our nuclear payload so that deterrence is enough to make India think twice before going to war with us.

    defence is defence but offense is also the best kind of defence. we should have some cover of missile defence over our assets which can safe guard our counter nuclear strike and apart from that we should focus on developing tech which can beat enemies missile defences and give successful strike. this is the logical approach in my view.

    if you can further give argument on missile defence being more credible for our safety, I would appreciate it but keep your approach locked to our situation rather than Saudis. the both situations are different.
     
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    scuds of 1980s..that too not consistently

    air defence is good thing but not as flexible as airforce, if you have to choose between two it has to be a good airforce
     
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    China has dropped a lot of cash to develop ABM's that could take out US Minuteman 3's and Trident 2's, these are the guys we need to work with.
    The thing about ABM's thats objective is that they work, maybe not all the time but if there is a 50% chance an ABM can take out an enemy nuclear armed missile, i'll take that over nothing.
     
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    Slow moving non separating scuds are huge target and cannot cahnge trajectories... Thats whats they have been intercepting...

    Most yemeni missiles dont have any guidance as well
     
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    okay you got a point with 50% chance. But if the enemy knows that his miss adventure will reduce him to ashes for sure than you are getting a 100% chance of being protected from missile. MAD is a good strategy and it ensures our safety so why instead of a full missile shield we should opt for multi spectrum approach.

    Yes china is doing the research but those babies are very expensive.
     
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    Pak shud start initial steps but tech is simply not there yet

    50 % chance is worse than no chance ...
    Enemy will just fire 2 missiles .. In all likelihood your theoratical 50% defense will fail in real world and u will get hit by 2 instead of 1 missiles (ababeel rings a bell?)


    What we need to do is not to think of weapon in isolation .. And try to fit in the strategy as well
     
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    BMD works extremely well against TBMs and SRBMs, quite well against MRBMs, not so much against IRBMs and ICBMs... yet.
     
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    Here comes opinion from vedas

    Nothing works if missile Maneuvers...

    Forget about nukes and city targets... A comparatively small target like an air craft carier is bristling.with radars with several support vessels is impossible to defend against df 21d.....with conventional warhead... For a simple reason .. If kill chain completes... It will penetrate

    Questions have been raised on carier killers kill chain... But no body ever questioned would it be able to penetrate defences
     
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  15. The Deterrent

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    From the article, on the effectiveness of BMD:
    On MAD, BMDs and destabilization:
    On Iranian SLV-ICBM angle:
     
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