Fine I'll keep out though my judgement is not Islam specific ; and don't have much to debate other than what I've already said on the subject..Fasaadi people stay out of this thread with your hate towards the religion. You people bark against preachers because you cannot bark against Islam.
Mods I'd request to keep this thread clean before it gets messier.
IIf IK is a real visionary, he will become a revolutionary. If he is not (and it seems like he's not), he will remain just the better of the bad options in Pakistan's political circus.
As much as IK is better than the all famous corrupt lot that is leading Punjab, Sindh or Pakistan as a whole for years I think it is about time someone from the root takes the stance and punish a few people down.
The whole system needs a revamp and I can almost bet with everything that's wrong with Pakistan will not let that happen whether 2/3rd majority or not. The whole political system in place simply does not allow a normal person from becoming an MPA or MNA without funding parties or paying hefty amounts to get a ticket. So how can we expect anything better coming out? Petrol was increased 30 rupees, Shehbaaz Shareef did that with a heavy heart but did he discussed/instructed any deductions in the perks the assembly members get, or the judiciary? Even IK did not and won't because then all the ex corrupt or not so honest people around him will vanish away.
My brother as much as I'd like to agree with you I think we need to bury the ethnicity amongst us and think as a Pakistani. I was born in a middle class Urdu speaking family. Never applied for govt job or expected much from the system but I still love this piece of land given to us and want it to prosper but cannot see that happening it happening because we're not united or maybe we as a nation never wanted a change but have found our own ways to stay busy in a cycle we found would work for us one way or another.The revolution will be led by either a Pashtun or urdu speaking people or both.
Sindhis are mellow , corrupt , lazy and are set in their stone age ways with no will to fight or improve anything and notwithstanding their hate for Pakistan. Don't believe me , just visit interior sindh which is a shithole ; worse than afghanistan/somalia . If they can't even improve their own land for their own people(which they claim are here for centuries) , what makes you think they can do anything for Pakistan
Less said about baloch , the better it is
Punjabis are de facto rulers of Pakistan. Most of the Army and civil service are from them. As long as Punjab remain rich and Punjabis keep ruling Pakistan , they don't care
Urdu speakers are the original founders of this country and have this innate derive to better this country because after all , " project Pakistan " have been their achievement. Unfortunately , their hands have been tied and wings have been clipped by the inferiority ridden natives of this land. Despite everything , they are rallying for Imran Khan for betterment of this country. They are his most vocal supporters.
Pashtuns have proved themselves to be truly a resilient bunch of people who are eager to turn their lives for the better. Despite some small pockets of hard ethno-nationalists , they have given PTI ( a national party) their whole province and are a major support base for Khan.
Revolutions often get bloody. Imran Khan is a responsible leader and he knows the wrong words from him may get people killed. That is why he called off the dharna this week.
You can't fault him for caring for people's lives.
Sach kerwa Hai Mery dost.Well I think anybody with an iota of understanding about what's happening, how we are being fooled in the name of democracy may have similar feelings.whats your take on this?
Nice idea. What makes you think that movement isn't going to be labeled terrorists and taken down like a fly because it would be challenging the status quo.Sach kerwa Hai Mery dost.
Britishers wanted Pakistan more badly than Pakistanis themselves. Wadyras and Jagirdars were always at service to goras. These were the people who divided people and always served goras and whatever bigger power was there. Actually, this mentality was the continuation of the Hindu raja mentality that was there. This very same mentality served Afghan invaders, Mughals, Western invaders and whoever invaded India.
It is still there, and when it comes to feudal systems, it becomes even stronger.
Pakistani politics was hijacked, from day one, by these people. If you will vote, you will vote for, let's say Khadim Hussain Rana or Tiwana, or Watto, or Cheema, etc. Who is this guy? No one knows. But he will win and maybe he will also reach the national assembly. Who is supporting him? Same harami Chamchagir family that was also in power when goras were here.
The way out is an urban national social movement by the people who are educated and who exactly know what to do for the nation. Then whatever solution they come up with. The Chinese system is also not bad.
It's my belief that Pakistan is a unique country, and it needs a unique solution. Local govt system or any system where from street counselor to the president looks after his /her duties.
Your comment is proof that "we" are changing.Nice idea. What makes you think that movement isn't going to be labeled terrorists and taken down like a fly because it would be challenging the status quo.
We've been brainwashed in such a way that we see a few people our Messiah while never believing in ourselves.