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Those 'execution orders' too are fabricated, corrupted, and/or incorrectly associated with blasphemy. There are a total of three instances, IIRC. Every single one of them has been rejected and dismantled time and time again over hundreds of years.
I am not disagreeing but even if we study those certain cases, does not mean we ignore his whole life and focus on few incidents, this is what I'd expect from Non Muslims, like Jews and Evangelists often mention the incident with Banu Qureza Tribe of Medina, but without knowing what happened, how it happened and who was involved in it the use of the incident is wrong, these TLP animals use the few orders of his life to present a narrative that supports their barbaric actions, but no amount of his order no matter how controversial can remove or even move the fact that the man has shown incomparable mercy and love for his subjects, and was sent as Mercy to Mankind. I'd say even if the whole world's population x2 start disrespecting him today, (nauzubillah) and keep doing it for rest of their lives will not effect his honor and respect an inch in the eyes of creator and the angels Allah made to send Salam to him. We are no one, nobody to kill others in the name of his honor, his honor and dignity is not petty that requires blood shed.

bro, give yourself a +1 rating for your post #14 because I can't and I really wanted to.
 

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There's no need. This matter was laid to rest definitively in the 8th century for 90% of Pakistanis by Imam Abu Hanifa himself in very explicit and undisputed terms. There's more than a thousand years worth of rulings after him by hundreds of scholars who are considered 'The Authorities' on Islamic Jurisprudence by all the major Sunni religious bodies, schools, and madrassas in the country. The Hanafi School, in fact, is virtually unanimous on the matter.

Al-Bazzazi misquotes Imam Abu Hanifa as “A Muslim blasphemer of the prophet PBUH will be killed under hudd and his pardon won’t be acceptable.” Ibn Abidin calls this mistake out in his book 'Kitab al Jihad' and goes at length to explain the original ruling while strongly criticizing Al-Bazzazi for his negligence. Ibn Abidin wasn't the only one. Skip a few hundred years and Advocate Ismail Quraishi quotes Imam Abu Hanifa as “A Kafir blasphemer of the prophet PBUH will be killed under hudd and his pardon won’t be acceptable.” He cites 'Kitab al Jihad' as his source........ The supreme court accepts this 'proof'. A few years later Quraishi admits to his 'mistake' of misquoting an already misquoted ruling of Imam Abu Hanifa. The law still stands, innocents exempt from all Islamic religious law by Islamic religious law itself are still murdered, Musalmans rest easy having saved Islam from words.

It is all deliberate and not a case of misunderstanding. We would've had our own camp under Toor a few thousand years ago.

Those 'execution orders' too are fabricated, corrupted, and/or incorrectly associated with blasphemy. There are a total of three instances, IIRC. Every single one of them has been rejected and dismantled time and time again over hundreds of years.
Most importantly, only Allah has the power to accept or deny repentance. However, even those who blaspheme against Allah are pardoned upon repentance; Firaoun (Pharah the VIIIth) could have been pardoned if he just so repented and so this means that Islam teaches us to leave certain matters to Allah. Even Prophet Muhammad (PHUB) readily used to pardon those who wronged him, abused him, attached him, harmed him. By murdering, we not only present a bad image of Islam thereby creating the possibility of putting off potential converts; we also take away the opportunity the blasphemer has for repentance to Allah.

Generally I give the example of Hazrat Umar (RA), our second caliph rashidun and one of the most revered and respected personality of Islam who once left his house with a sword to assassinate the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). From there on, he became 2nd only to Hazrat Abu Bakar (RA) and as one of the most respected and loved humans on earth.
 

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Most importantly, only Allah has the power to accept or deny repentance. However, even those who blaspheme against Allah are pardoned upon repentance; Firaoun (Pharah the VIIIth) could have been pardoned if he just so repented and so this means that Islam teaches us to leave certain matters to Allah. Even Prophet Muhammad (PHUB) readily used to pardon those who wronged him, abused him, attached him, harmed him. By murdering, we not only present a bad image of Islam thereby creating the possibility of putting off potential converts; we also take away the opportunity the blasphemer has for repentance to Allah.
You really think the creator of multiple universes, multiple planets, vast galaxies, and trillions and trillions of life cares what people say or do? He is neutral and indifferent. He just want us to experience life in his sandbox. Think of the most kindest person and multiply that with infinity and you wouldn't even come close.
 

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He is neutral and indifferent.

He's the just not indifferent ! I believe neutrality only comes into play for tyrants who have exceeded the red line -------. Anyhow sorcerers and money lenders are a fair game for state institutes.
 

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The matter should be brought to a court not decided on the street by a mob.
They killed the wrong doer and the states will hanged them for it.
Justice is served according to country's rules of law.
After the death the case is in GOD court.he decided what to do with them ,whatever the punish is chosen for them, it will retain for eternity.
GOD sent the messengers respect them.
Everything is his creation.
His world ,his law.
 

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Qmjd is a Tabligh Jamaati ( he has said so ). The TJ is a bunch which doesn't know reason, intellect, rationality and sensibility. The TJ are drones. It is automatic of Qmjd to say what he did. It was very sensible of Russia and the Muslim-majority Central Asian countries to ban for security reasons. I will ask Qmjd to quit the TJ.
You should join the peaceful monks or Hindus.
Who killed muslims just for fun.
 

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You should join the peaceful monks or Hindus.
Who killed muslims just for fun.
Why should I join them ? And in any case you are supporting that lynch mob in Sialkot who killed a non-Muslim for their irrational blood lust.
 
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They killed the wrong doer and the states will hanged them for it.
Justice is served according to country's rules of law.
After the death the case is in GOD court.he decided what to do with them ,whatever the punish is chosen for them, it will retain for eternity.
GOD sent the messengers respect them.
Everything is his creation.
His world ,his law.
who will judge the wrongdoer? is there a method defined for it or not?
 

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These stupid baboons are the one disrespecting the Prophet SAW by killing in his name. They will not follow the lofe of tje Prophet SAW or his teachings but are ready to kill innocent ppl.
 

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Prophets life is full of examples that shows his mercy, love , respect and honoring others but some people only pick those decision where he has issue execution orders, the level of hypocrisy in such people is amazing. The man (Prophet) is literally known to us by Rehmat ullil Aalameen, Mercy to the mankind.


his account must be reported to the authorities.
Absolutely, right on the mark. Messenger is a Mercy to All Worlds.

I shall just add, Only Ibn-e-Khatal ابن خطل، was killed after the Conquest of Makkah.
But all people of Makkah were spared whereas almost all of them had said wrongful words about the Messenger.
Why Ibn Khatal was singled out, there could be more to that.
Loving Messenger is part of the faith, but why this love does not stop us from lying, cheating, bribery, and corruption. Isn't that our show of not honoring the Messenger?
We Muslims majority openly go against the Messenger's teachings but the person of Messenger is beyond and above our conduct. He is the tower of light. God would have utterly destroyed us but because of the protection of the Messenger we are breathing that we may reform ourselves.
 
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Loving Messenger is part of the faith, but why this love does not stop us from lying, cheating, bribery, and corruption. Isn't that our show of not honoring the Messenger.
We Muslims majority openly go against the Messenger's teachings but the person of Messenger is beyond and above our conduct. He is the tower of light. God would have utterly destroyed us but because of the protection of the Messenger we are breathing that we may reform ourselves.
Well put, bhai. :tup:
 

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Oh God not again this argument , asking muslims to show mercy nor to be bothered by when some dickhead insult our prophet. All these argument loose their value when there is ijma(consencus) ummat, scholers through the centuries and their opnion regarding this issue and above all examples from our Prophet (peace be upon him ) and his companions action against ppl who insulted our Nabi.

You seculer(Almost atheist)can all be maadran "muslim" and have your own interpretaions but let the average muslim follow the traditional islam , islam of of our nabi, sahabas and scholers througout the ages and their opinion. We dont want to follow present day professors, daactars or engineers , plumbers to get our islamic interpretations. You lots are no one or have any authority when it comes to islamic laws .
 

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It's good to see noble thoughts...but why Now? I mean after lynching of a Sri Lankan and subsequent shaming and backlash from the world?..... Why no one said it when a cartoon was made in France few months back?...Was it possible to insult the messenger (PBUH) then?

Hypocrisy will not lead us too far...... Let's not keep twisting the message of Allah from Quraan to suit the circumstances...there is a need to reform Islam...have one version of the Holy Quraan and same meaning to all Muslims.....no space for personal interpretation by Mullahs.
I have been of this opinion for a long time and shared on this forum. I shall try to find it.I tell this to all people I can approach.
We need to educate ourselves about the Life Of the Messenger and then influence others only then bit by bit Muslims of Pakistan in Parricular and muslims of the world can be reformed.
Level of ignorance in Pakistan is beyond bounds.
 

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God says,
"And We exalted thy name."
Al-Quran 94:4

It is not the Messenger whose name needs protection, it is us who need protection and defense from the Messenger as it is us who are attempting to put a shadow on the beautiful person of the Messenger and it is we who are at the lowest stature in the comity of nations because of disobedience to the Messenger which is the only disrespect to the name of the Messenger of Mercy.

All world even if they would not accept him as a Messneger do respect him as a great reformer and teacher. If amongst 7.753 billion population of the world few say unjust words about the Messenger then how can that be construed as insult to the Messenger???
An ignorant or insane person in this respect is deserved to be overlooked. Denying sun during day does not cause any effect to the glory and life giving warmth.

We need to change that narrative and educate ignorant Muslims to get to know the Messenger rather than killing in his name.
If you want to give respect to Holy Prophet PBUH then try be like him. 40 years he didn't preach Islam.. but akhlaq , be good with fellow humanbeing . Your relatives, friends,neighbors and respect there rights and help them.

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