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It all Started with a Tweet by Wajahat Saeed Khan which was a flame bait... and then...Shit got real!!!

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watch this space ..I predict PTI minions will be praising attacks of TTP now as it has announced all out war again.
the usual remarks will be well it was allowed to come back (well yea where in KPK whose Govt is in KPK? why did'nt you stop or do anything about it?)
 

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Politicians should stop trying to act like dictators when in power, stop going to the army for political favors against the opponents

It'll stop on it's own
That's never been the case. The army has ruled since day 1, they influence the political parties and elections.
 

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watch this space ..I predict PTI minions will be praising attacks of TTP now as it has announced all out war again.
the usual remarks will be well it was allowed to come back (well yea where in KPK whose Govt is in KPK? why did'nt you stop or do anything about it?)

Who was doing peace talks and stamping it in camera sessions?

Who led ttp spokesman from jail?

The so called end game was planned in GHQ and not in Parliament.
 

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Who was doing peace talks and stamping it in camera sessions?

Who led ttp spokesman from jail?

The so called end game was planned in GHQ and not in Parliament.
whataboutism

let me reply with counter questions?

who led out processions from Lal Masjid?
who called TTP angry brothers?
who has been ruling KPK throughout its time?
who suffered from amnesia while GHQ was on same page?
who opposed military operations against TTP?
 

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stop visiting Gate 11
sir, this is the equivalent of britishers justifying colonialism by saying the indian kingdoms were fighting amongst themselves and they asked for the EIC help against one another.

So what? did that give the EIC a license to loot and pillage and pilfer the damn place all they want?
Just shut the damn door. Don't let anyone in. Literally what are they going to say? Throw a tantrum at the gate?

I get the whole idea about reforming our society and all but the onus is way more on the powerful than the misinformed youth. They thought they could get away with it like every single time.

I still to this day, can't understand what went on in the minds? Did they not think that they'd be alienating their core base with this shit they are pulling. What was the big rush?
Only thing that comes to mind is Firouniat. That they simply don't care what the plebes think.

As for your unfortunate experience on twitter, you should know better than to jump in and try to talk sense into people right now. This is hot headed youth that wants heads to roll right now and they still haven't seen the undoing of the Regime change operation or the events that followed. these wounds will only start healing after a free and fair election is held. and held sooner than dearly beloved Pakistan ceased to exist from the way things are looking.
 

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brother,
my issue is that people have lost patience and common decency. the only way to express opposition seems to be through personal attack, insults or whataboutism.
we use selective judgements, selective memories and selection bias and then resort to rants.
It's not all the people who have lost respect; it is the youth which follow Imran Khan and which have been engineered with constant lies and propaganda, unproven allegations and what not into hysterical, senseless and nonsense mob. They have neither any respect, nor any knowledge or information. Their entire existence resolves around this 1 person and that is what Imran Khan continues to flame.

The loss that Imran Khan caused with the mere reversal of IMF conditions as his financial land mines alone is something which caused excruciating pain to the economy but his followers cannot even understand that simple measure let alone the other damages, especially diplomatic damages that Imran caused Pakistan in under 4 years. Don't really know what his followers believe the result would be if IK comes to power again, economically and diplomatically.
 

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Politicians should stop trying to act like dictators when in power, stop going to the army for political favors against the opponents

It'll stop on it's own
Politicians should stop handing over private videos of themselves with their wives in bed to the army for political favors against the opponents.

Should stop handing over files of Kompromat to the army so that they can later be manipulated.

Medicines should be kept out out children's reach. Because the children are effing morons

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Politicians should stop handing over private videos of themselves with their wives in bed to the army for political favors against the opponents.

Should stop handing over files of Kompromat to the army so that they can later be manipulated.

Medicines should be kept out out children's reach. Because the children are effing morons

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Well. It is not a matter of army officers, or politicians, or judges, or others. Real concern is lawlessness, which is committed by all. A lawless society cannot progress.
 

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Look, being an Army kid, I know these traditions well. They are a way for the men to bid farewell to the CO and incase of a unit, like a battalion or regiment is often the end of a 18-20 year association with the outfit for the outgoing CO.
There is a bara khann, a variety show, all In all, a way to raise morale for the men who usually look forward to it.

Nothing for the tradition. The point everyone is trying to make @Irfan Baloch is that due to the previous sheneagins, people are angry and they will lash out.

The best is to ensues that anger goes.
 

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good to know that
since I have no connections with army so cannot read their pulse
Again the point was that most "چھوئی موئی" are in fact those who are supposed to have stronger nerves than anyone else.
The heck they cannot even own upto their own actions.



This is typical
"مرغی پہلے پیدا ھوئی یا انڈا"
I can tell you . veterans have risked access to medical and pensions for voicing their opposition. like I said . we all are sourced from same pool. the blame is shared. PTI unfortunately is acting immature. there is no justification for bitching and cursing everyone associated with army. like calling all Muslims terrorists or calling all pathans taliban. i recall discrimination Pashtuns faced in punjab during the mid 2000s.
 

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Well. It is not a matter of army officers, or politicians, or judges, or others. Real concern is lawlessness, which is committed by all. A lawless society cannot progress.
Exactly. And in a lawless society. the one with bigger stick gets the bigger share of the pie (or majh/buffalo, if we stay true to the original saying :lol: ), but that in turn means they are also the bigger stakeholder in the unjust and lawless system, bear the most responsibility and deserve the most criticism.

I am aware that several esteemed members here are not fans of IK but I think we can all agree that Nawaz sharif is a corrupt piece of shit. A common patwari is also a corrupt piece fo shit. but is he responsible for the downfall of this nation?

Also, Nawaz sharif can hold the patwari accountable, by strengthening the accountability system. The patwari (metaphor for the common citizen who is also morally corrupt) can't hold nawaz sharif accountable for he has no power over him.

Only way a common man can hold the powerful accountable is using his vote. and that's what he is asking for rn. And that where our dearly beloved institution does its chamatkaar and deprives the common man of that. Did it surprise anyone to know that they were also opposed to EVMs along with PDM?

Note: Before someone gets a conniption, I am not saying the estb. wasn't involved in 2018. I am also not saying the estb is the only player in the rigging game. If you thought of those things after reading this, you didn't get my point.
 

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brother,
my issue is that people have lost patience and common decency. the only way to express opposition seems to be through personal attack, insults or whataboutism.
we use selective judgements, selective memories and selection bias and then resort to rants.

The generals should have preempted better and planned better.
This is their job,
This is what they are supposed to do.
 

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Waj S Khan Trolls with a style


so he makes a flame bait rhetorical question demanding to know the meaning and reason for this procession.

for background. Gen Mirza is being seen off from 10 Corps HQ by the people at the Corps HQ. as is a tradition in the army the out going command is seen off in a procession and usually his mount is pushed manually by the personnel with a lot of celebratory chants and dance. this is the culmination of a Ceremony where the good time in the office is recounted and jokes are shared, food or treats shared and then the host thanks the outgoing commander who is led in a procession.



in its smallest example it happens at a company level of a unit and then the regimental level, Brigade, Div and Corps level.
this tradition has nothing to do which army ruling Pakistan for 70+ years or Ditching one party favorite for another.


BUT

since PTI/ Insafians or Youthias (as Noonies call them) are the bleeding hearts so a negative hateful reaction was confirmed and that's what Wajahat was counting on. so apart from a handful of tweets reminding him that it was nothing new or strange but an age old military tradition of seeing off the commander (including a tweet rom me) the rest of them were mostly rants, rage, name calling and cursing. some curses were directed at the military leadership (there is some merit there and I agree with that) but some was mostly directed at the military institution and wishing its death (which I didn't agree with).

obviously staying silent was not an option so I respectfully offered an opposition and then the entire Web rant of the Youthian tortured souls turned on myself. I told them that whining doesn't resolve the issue and the problem was within them. they had to fix themselves since the army sources its personnel from the same pool of people that makes up the entire nation but self correction or self criticism is not in our national psyche it is always someone else's fault.


then I was told that my days were numbered (somehow I represented the entire GHQ now). I mocked them by saying that Imran had called off the protests, maybe they need to tell him to continue. then they resorted to personal insults. suggesting I took pleasure in striping and molesting good citizens of Pakistan's and Bengalis got a lucky break which he and other innocent PTI supporters were stuck with with us. I again repeated that this all can change for better according to PTI wishes if these people started the correction from inhouse as it will have the butterfly effect and change the nation for better ultimately and automatically taking away the ability of opportunist "Pindi boyz" from screwing up with affairs of the the state. but that didn't get us anywhere.



now I could rip him very easily while staying classy but it seemed like he was already struggling to contain himself and might have burst a vein in his temple so I let it go.
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Why just the military can't do a self inspection ? Why there is a huge EGO thats stopping it from doing so ? You have to ask that why so many patriotic people, so many people who used to uplift morale of military and used to do it on their own, Used to give free marketing, better image perception for military were now criticizing it. Arshad Sharif Shaheed did so many programs with frontline soldiers, Wajahat did so many programs glorifying the military. There are countless social media keyboard warriors who were your 5th gen warfare soldiers. Instead replying them, kidnapping them or torturing them, the military need to self inspect. Your chief did massive blunders and sadly there is no check and balances in military to hold their chief accountable. You just can't stay above the law and expect people to respect or love you. Unthinkable crimes were done to journalists, senator, lawmakers by crooked agency under Bajwa's orders. You lose respect this way, you don't gain it.

The most fundamental aspect of any professional organisation is self inspection, accountability and respect of law. You are opposite of professional if you lack of this and in addition you have business interests, housing, plots and wealth generation interests. High time to self inspect rather then getting into arguments with patriotic people of the country who only wishes to improve you by doing positive critisicm. Every Pakistani want PA to be a professional force, no one really likes to critisize it. Infact it hurts us. Military people are not imported from Finland, they are Pakistanis too. They also have to have same mindset and keep their living standards as of ordinary Pakistanis and just like any other Pakistani, the laws should be applicable to them. Otherwise, the way they are alienating themselves is very dangerous for national security. The divide bw nation & military is the last thing any country can afford.
 

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I can tell you . veterans have risked access to medical and pensions for voicing their opposition. like I said . we all are sourced from same pool. the blame is shared. PTI unfortunately is acting immature. there is no justification for bitching and cursing everyone associated with army. like calling all Muslims terrorists or calling all pathans taliban. i recall discrimination Pashtuns faced in punjab during the mid 2000s.

It is okay. This campaign arising from a bruised ego will soon come to its logical conclusion within a relatively short period of time, and it will be back to business as usual on all fronts. Worry not!
 

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