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Israel's planned annexation of the Jordan Valley: While Muslims World at large has no Counter Plan!

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Israel is about to annex Palestinian Territories and here they are so called Muslim Countries fighting for the sake of power in the region. They have completely forgotten the reality that once Israel annex Jordan valley, they are next.

How can we unite this Muslim world, when every single Muslim Country has it's own priorities, their own interests? Why don't they realize that divided we will fall and we have fallen every time when we forgot who we really are? we are not separate to each other because we are never known by the names of our Countries but by our Religion Islam. Why their is a Khilafat Concept in Islam? Because it unites the entire Muslim Ummah!

Alas! no matter how far we go, these Idiots will always run after their personnel interests. I mean every single leader in Muslim world is after his/her own survival & that is either next election or ruling a Nation.

And Israel is wining on every single front. Even Iran has made a deal with US and Israel that they will not resist on Israel annexation of Jordan valley. In return sanctions will be lifted.

Pakistan is busy with it's own Internal and external issues, Covid-19 and Kashmir Issue. Turkey too is engaged in Libya, Syria and Iraq. Lebanon and Hisbollah are also engaged in Syria. Who else is left? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE? Bangladesh? Indonesia that has never raised a voice against Israel? Malaysia?

I wish our Military could stand up and unite all these Idiots either by hook or by crook. Unfortunately, we, all the Muslims are heading towards our own destruction, and their is no one who could stop it.
Lol stop beating the dead horse of Ummah its too long dead now, you'll only desecrate its body. Far too long we have blindly followed arabs who were just serving their own self interests at cost of Pakistan.

This narrative of 70s is long dead in other muslim countries only our nation is living in fool's paradise and trying to revive it time and again. Finally some sense has prevailed and we are staying out of the filth that is middle east and you want us to jump right back in the middle?

Let those Bedouins massacre each other why should we be bothered? Whats in it for us? Can we really afford a shift of focus from our current objectives? Kashmir will be good as gone if we shift our focus now and for what? those cash worshippers who cant even say a word on Kashmir?

BTW who is fuelling all these conflicts in middle east? Its the arab themselves (KSA, UAE). Heck KSA actively supports Israel , phir hmaray kounsay mamay kay puttar hain wahan jin ki support karien ja kar?

Let them be, focus on your own problems and try to identify countries who have long term overlapping interests with you (like Turkey and China). Just support them and let rest take the L.
 
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As long as the Arab nations don't unite among themselves and give Israel a carte blanche don't expect anything from anyone else.

Let's face it, major GCC and North African nations follow KSA lead. KSA and other GCC nations firmly stand with Israel. Palestinians are left to fend for themselves.
 

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Not Pakistan's fight. Not in the slightest. The Hashemites should have realised the deception when there was still time to reverse it. It's too late now. Nobody is even listening to Abdullah's whining now, not even his own allies.

It's eerie in a way - reminds me of another Abdullah who learned too late that cosying up with your people's enemy ends in disaster and betrayal.
 

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I concur your point and I made the same point on PDF that all of these pwerful nations. Especially USA have had benevolent ex milktary dictators(in the form of legitimate Presidents who came after retiring)

But if we were to have similar strong ex military leaders come to lead us. They will start malicious campaigns against us and discredit our leaders. Resulting in some disgruntled faction ousting that leader.
Our Governments not Pakistan's in Particular Muslims world as a whole are an utterly a sham. And apparently you know that too, What I described above wasn't the sentiment of our Government but what our Armed forces think. Over the course of many years I have met with many soldiers from different Islamic Countries and the opinion of a soldier always differ than the opinion of a Politician. Ask yourself this; why is it that US Congress or democrats gets more of retired military personals as a Politicians? And that why is it that Putin is so successful in obtaining Russia's moral back to where it was back in 60's and 70's? Why is it that President Xi knows exactly how to tackle International and domestic politics while almost each and every Muslim leader lags behind?



I am not here to convince my Muslims brothers or sisters. I am here to convey my message not only those civilian Muslims but our Military leaders around the world. And you are right brother Muslims can be across the world from each other yet they will one day grouped together for a Judgment day, but tell me this brother, are you ready to answer Allah SWT that you have done everything you could in order to protect your Muslim brother and sisters around the world? or you simply avoid the idea that Allah SWT will never ask you question regarding this at all? Leaving alone your brother and sisters in a state of misery is a crime that Allah SWT will never let go, we all will be questioned for this on the judgement day, just make sure everyone of us is prepared for that.



Brother brother brother, believe me it's not all about Arabs or Palestinians or other Nation, I am talking about much larger picture, what do you think, if Israel successfully annex Jordan valley, would it stop there? You think Israel's ambition is that small Jordan valley?


What if they are? Afghans aren't? Have we kicked them out from our Country? Do you still think I am referring to only one race or a Country in a Muslim world?



Oh my brother, please open up your eyes, Israel consider us its enemy since it was illegally created. They have funded billions of dollars to destabilize us, have you not read about how Israel planned to destroy our Nuclear assets? https://www.indiatimes.com/news/ind...akistan-s-nuclear-plant-in-kahuta-270212.html
haven't you read the history that we have downed almost 17 fighter jets during Arab Israel war?



I am talking about our Religiously bound brothers and sisters. Chinese are our brothers in this world since we have common interests



, while rest of the Muslims brothers and sisters are our brothers and sisters because our Religions says so.
I hope you got the point because I have got yours.
 

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@simple Brain

I read your post, I can say me personally I'm working on my character and trying to be consistent worshipper. Best thing those of us abroad can do is donate money to people we know back home and help the needy there. Politics wise our leaderships have responsibilities they are disregarding and we can't change much on ground until opportunities present themself.

It isn't that I am denying that palestinians are having their rights walked on
but to what degree? please falcon29 tell me with a straight face whether ramallah is in a more sorry state compared to quetta
I'm not in business in of comparing things or ranking them. I side with any just cause pretty much. There are unique characteristics of every conflict or social issue.
 

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I concur your point and I made the same point on PDF that all of these pwerful nations. Especially USA have had benevolent ex milktary dictators(in the form of legitimate Presidents who came after retiring)

But if we were to have similar strong ex military leaders come to lead us. They will start malicious campaigns against us and discredit our leaders. Resulting in some disgruntled faction ousting that leader.
You are right and I totally agree with you, however for how long are we going to keep worrying about the West and their perspective? This is the point I was trying to make, do you know why are we behind from the West in pretty much everything? Because we do not believe in ourselves, believe in Allah SWT is far reaching goal for us.

Take an example of Chinese, they lost their edge even till almost 30 years after their independence. Because they were as diluted as we are till now. But when they realized that no matter how hard they try they will never succeed and unity was the only thing that provided them the success far much better than the west. They knew that the West Democratic system cannot rectify our societies social economic problems and they were right, look at China now, even West envy them.

In addition to your point, lets assume we do care about the West Perspective since our trade in linked to them. We can do what they are doing, we can have our Foreign Ministers Ex-Military not just Army, but Airforce and Navy. Not necessarily the Leader, Leaders can be Civilian. The matter of fact is that the Politics is such a wobble dilemma in which a supreme Commander cannot act without a dozens of advisors, it certainly can go in our favor. (Yes, you can argue that the Presidential system is the perfect solution for our problems, but for how long are we going to wait for this?)

When Congress or Democrats introduce their candidates since it's a presidential system no one question them. Why? Because CIA, NSA controls the very mind of the People through media. Though our mighty ISI is so mighty that everyone is obsessed with it and I am proud of it, but it lags in many modern warfare techniques.

In every Country's success it's intelligence agencies play a vital role, because they know exactly what's going on with the world and inside their own Country, because they are the ones who face the heat when it comes to either an espionage or a foreign intrusion. I do not argue that our Intelligence agencies never played a part in our democratic system, my argument is that they never played the kind of a role that they needed to play. Their active involvement was always needed, they were the ones who could brought in the brightest in different Political Parties. And their are thousands of examples around the world that can back my point.

Yeah, why bother living in a house when one can find the nearest dumpster to spend the night in, because screw logic.

Please read more about cleanliness in religion.
So your argument is that we should worry more about Garbage and Sanitation rather than our defense, even when we are at War, and off course according to your logic we give up our hopes and struggle for Al-Aqsa and Palestine in favor of Sanitation?

Lol stop beating the dead horse of Ummah its too long dead now, you'll only desecrate its body. Far too long we have blindly followed arabs who were just serving their own self interests at cost of Pakistan.

This narrative of 70s is long dead in other muslim countries only our nation is living in fool's paradise and trying to revive it time and again. Finally some sense has prevailed and we are staying out of the filth that is middle east and you want us to jump right back in the middle?

Let those Bedouins massacre each other why should we be bothered? Whats in it for us? Can we really afford a shift of focus from our current objectives? Kashmir will be good as gone if we shift our focus now and for what? those cash worshippers who cant even say a word on Kashmir?

BTW who is fuelling all these conflicts in middle east? Its the arab themselves (KSA, UAE). Heck KSA actively supports Israel , phir hmaray kounsay mamay kay puttar hain wahan jin ki support karien ja kar?

Let them be, focus on your own problems and try to identify countries who have long term overlapping interests with you (like Turkey and China). Just support them and let rest take the L.
wow, are you going to say the same thing about your blood brother or your son if he ditches you out for some foolish reason or he was too naive to think straight on a matter? What if he apologies to you would that be enough to ease up your arrogance for some extant?

Let me ask you few questions: When you give away Charity you do it for that Individual or you do it because your Lord has commanded you to so so?

And what if your own blood brother or your Son God Forbid get stuck in an unpleasant disaster would you let him be or you would help him?

Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The Muslim is a brother to another Muslim. He does not wrong him, nor surrender him. Whoever fulfills the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs. Whoever relieves a Muslim from distress, Allah will relieve him from distress on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever covers the faults of a Muslim, Allah will cover his faults on the Day of Resurrection.”

Before you answer those questions read this one out. And brother please selflessness has no boundaries, I know quite well that the Arab Leaders are indeed the most selfish and untrustworthy individuals on this planet, but my point right from very beginning was that the times has come we must act to replace them.

According to most sensible people unless they like to live in dirt
And in those sensible People Jericho tops the list am I right brother?
 

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wow, are you going to say the same thing about your blood brother or your son if he ditches you out for some foolish reason or he was too naive to think straight on a matter? What if he apologies to you would that be enough to ease up your arrogance for some extant?

Let me ask you few questions: When you give away Charity you do it for that Individual or you do it because your Lord has commanded you to so so?

And what if your own blood brother or your Son God Forbid get stuck in an unpleasant disaster would you let him be or you would help him?

Abdullah ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The Muslim is a brother to another Muslim. He does not wrong him, nor surrender him. Whoever fulfills the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs. Whoever relieves a Muslim from distress, Allah will relieve him from distress on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever covers the faults of a Muslim, Allah will cover his faults on the Day of Resurrection.”

Before you answer those questions read this one out. And brother please selflessness has no boundaries, I know quite well that the Arab Leaders are indeed the most selfish and untrustworthy individuals on this planet, but my point right from very beginning was that the times has come we must act to replace them.
Brother i know exactly where you are coming from, i was in the same very state of mind till a few years back but that changed quite a bit after i opened my mind to the abuse these so called brothers have put us through.

Tell me would your brother really harm you? Would a "brotherly" country give money and refuge to people who would harm you? If you were a sane person you would stay far away from that "brother".

Now coming to your point how can you help people who aren't willing to accept your help? Arabs consider Pakistanis as lesser people dont believe me ask anyone living in gulf region. Heck they are willing to give preference to your anti muslim enemy over you.
https://zeenews.india.com/india/nar...alestine-receives-highest-honour-2080026.html

I am not talking about harming them like they are doing to us i am just saying we shouldn't get involved in a place where no one wants your help. Just show me where any arab country has asked Pakistan to intervene and liberate Palestine?

Arabs have given up hope on freeing it why should we keep hope. Its good as gone and its for better. Leave arabs and focus on your own country. Your five provinces are not truly united and Ethic divisions flare up more often then we like to admit how do you propose to unite all the ethnicities in the Islamic world?

Muslim Ummah is a lost cause as far as we are concerned. Its the very same Arabs who stopped Pakistan Malaysia and Turkey from forming a separate functional muslim forum which could do something about these issues rather then beating the carcass of defunct OIC.
 

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In what way would you struggle to help your own people in the condition as below (just one of the many examples of our people)
‘No one is listening’: Pakistani mothers jailed in Saudi Arabia call for help
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...ers-jailed-saudi-arabia-call-authorities-help
I said this earlier brother,

Before you answer those questions read this one out. And brother please selflessness has no boundaries, I know quite well that the Arab Leaders are indeed the most selfish and untrustworthy individuals on this planet, but my point right from very beginning was that the times has come we must act to replace them.

I know that their are a lot of differences between us: I am not saying that we should try to convince the current idiot Arab leaders, what I am trying to say is that we should start working on replacing these idiots, or isolate them. For several thousand arrogant Arabs do you really want to punish the entire race?

Let me give you few examples; when USSR invaded Afghanistan hundreds and thousands of fighter came all the way from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Lebanon, Syria to fight against the oppressor. Similarly it happened when NATO and US invaded Afghanistan. Would you agree to isolate those ones as well? What about those who look after Pakistanis in Gulf, their are thousands who are really good People.

Brother it's not about ourselves, we really need to think beyond our own personal interests.

Tell me would your brother really harm you? Would a "brotherly" country give money and refuge to people who would harm you? If you were a sane person you would stay far away from that "brother".
I know you are right that my brother would never harm me, but I have seen blood brothers killing one another for the sake of many reasons, off course 1 case in 100000 thousand population in a year. But what about those ones who are loyal to one another? Would you abandoned rest of the Muslim brother just because of their few hundred of thousand leaders?
Shah Faisal was from Saudi Arabia too what do you think about him? Mursi what do you have to say about him? There are many good People out there, we cannot abandoned them, yes they are stupid and they are being played like a riddled in the hands of Israel and USA and the West. As I quoted the Hadith our Prophet Muhammad SAW said "A Muslim Brother never Abandon another Muslim Brother" there are ways to convince them I know its tough but it's not impossible if your intentions are pure, Allah SWT certainly helps.

I am not talking about harming them like they are doing to us i am just saying we shouldn't get involved in a place where no one wants your help. Just show me where any arab country has asked Pakistan to intervene and liberate Palestine?

Arabs have given up hope on freeing it why should we keep hope. Its good as gone and its for better. Leave arabs and focus on your own country. Your five provinces are not truly united and Ethic divisions flare up more often then we like to admit how do you propose to unite all the ethnicities in the Islamic world?

Muslim Ummah is a lost cause as far as we are concerned. Its the very same Arabs who stopped Pakistan Malaysia and Turkey from forming a separate functional muslim forum which could do something about these issues rather then beating the carcass of defunct OIC.
All I say is to show them the reality, they are stupid and too naive I know and I understand even Allah SWT says in Quran that " Oh Arabs I have choose a prophet among you so that you believe in him what he has brought you, had I chosen someone from Non-Arab they would have had never believed in him"

And I get it they have this complexity of being the mightiest race just like jews. But brother things can change, when you have a cause which is greater than oneself.
 

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And I do not deny that, why do you think I am here and I had to write this small piece?/QUOTE]

And I commend you for writing on the subject.

My sole intention is to reach out to those who are loyal to Islam, and being as a Muslim that their loyalty is not limited only to their own Country.
I've tried the same, but be careful on this so-called "Pakistani" defense forum. Half of them are absolute liberal, yuppie nutjobs with not a lick worth of intellect. They dance from one lame argument to the next, while portraying themselves as some entitled snobs. I doubt their being Pakistani, let alone them being any semblance of a Muslim. Then you have the imbeciles of other Muslim countries who exhibit pompous, arrogant morons. Like frogs they croak about stuff that resembles more bull$hit actual intellect.

Real Muslims know who are the external enemies are and who are within our midst.

This era is not all about Pakistan or Iran or Turkey or Afghanistan or any other Muslim Country, this era is an era of Muslims Unification.
Of course, but there are quite a few mindless buffoons, liberal yuppies who will fight people like us, just to throw the discussion ubject off topic.
 

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Ugly??????????........WTF??????........Iranians are for a fact one of the, if not the most good looking, beautiful and attractive race on the entire planet.
Ah, but my friend, I judge beauty by the character of the Iranian regime. You can too - not only by looking at what they are doing in the ME (rape, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, sectarian killing of the worst kind, spreading terror) but also now in Baluchistan, Pakistan where India is operating RAW with impunity from Iran. I call that ugly. So blame me for it.
 

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Ah, but my friend, I judge beauty by the character of the Iranian regime. You can too - not only by looking at what they are doing in the ME (rape, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, sectarian killing of the worst kind, spreading terror) but also now in Baluchistan, Pakistan where India is operating RAW with impunity from Iran. I call that ugly. So blame me for it.



TBF, terrorism in Balouchistsn has gone down substantially since 2017 to the point were the unrest is pretty much dead. You do get the odd incident here and there but even that is on a downward trend.
 

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TBF, terrorism in Balouchistsn has gone down substantially since 2017 to the point were the unrest is pretty much dead. You do get the odd incident here and there but even that is on a downward trend.
You need to read the news more. Are you covering for Iran's support of RAW operations from their territory into Baluchistan? Shame on you if you are.
 

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You need to read the news more. Are you covering for Iran's support of RAW operations from their territory into Baluchistan? Shame on you if you are.



Not at all. I'm pointing out that terrorism in Pakistan has gone down massively over the past 2 years.
 

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