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Israeli I-Derby missile now integrated on Su-30 MKI, AMRAAM successfully countered.

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How do you "counter" the missile with another one?

The I-derby (and this is the ER version) is close to the AIM-120 in range but the problem statement wasnt the AMRAAM so much so as the ability to the MKis various systems integration working as expected.

Percolating this down the entire fleet of 220(if it even goes that way) will take time...
But then the AIM-120 is only equipping some 70 odd PAF aircraft - what about the 140 others(JF-17 and Mirage III-ROSEi1) with the PL-12 which outsticks the AIM-120? or the 90 odd(36 J-10 and JF-17 Block-3) on route with the PL-15 which outsticks anything the IAF has?

Making stupid statements like the "AMRAAM successfully countered" serves the IAF not other than self fellatio fanboys.
What counters the AMRAAM is integration of all the warfighting systems with operational availability of the massive EW capability the IAF has to degrade the PAF as a system rather than "MKI this" or "Rafale that".


I mentioned in another thread the near genetic fault of self aggrandizement that effects Indians - it will forever be their reason to lag behind despite their massive potential.
PL-15 (with only 145 km range) is outgunned and outranged by Meteor.
 

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PL-15 (with only 145 km range) is outgunned and outranged by Meteor.
Yea just like elsewhere you were gloating that 800 suicides in Indian armed forces are of non concern as countries like USA, Japan, Korea and others have more cases.
IAF is the fourth largest Air arm in the world which also deploys some of the top line fighter jets from both West and East.
It also has the distinction of displaying the example of... "Running up and crying to Daddy"... in its manifest.
Even some sub-sahran airforce Wouldn’t degrade itself to such humiliation of crying and complaining to a Super power.
Basically IAF warlords and Netas were crying tears that they have been abused by a certain stick.... Simple question raised is even if one ignores Indians cry baby antics, if you can counter a weapon or claim it failed in its objectives, then why complain about it all.... The fact is the AMRAAM hit its intended target so to cover up the shock and butt hurt, the F-16 drama was created and now the same drama queens are trying to convince their jittery public that they have managed to counter the AMRAAM.
The only thing left now is for Indians to wave a piece of PL-15 and cry to China..
Just look at these defeated and humiliated faces.
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Now I'm surprised? Why integrating the Derby when allegedly the ASTRA is ready and better?

India only ordered the Astra a few weeks back(may), and will enter in good numbers over the coming months. It is also India's first A2A missile so there will be issues in the beginning with production stabilizing. maintenance etc,

And the I Derby ER is a better missile than the Mk-1 Astra(Dual pulse motor, solid state seeker)
 

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It's too late as PL-15E have already arrived and AMRAAM is no longer top tier BVR AAM of PAF.

It has Israel jammer... which helped to dodged the missiles...

As usual, pakistani will believe on claim of their government..... indian will be on indian government.

But Su 30 mki shoot down is just equal claim as F16 shoot down with no evidence and proof..... Both seems, just propaganda news from the both governments.




120 Km.. But only for a short time.

All these fighters will be equipped with Astra- 2 missiles with range approx 160 km in the next 3-4 years

PAF already have 145km range BVR with AESA seeker and till Astra-2 will arrive PAF will be able to counter it with NG AAM possibly PL-21 or PL-15 ER later is possiblity available much sooner.
 

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It's too late as PL-15E have already arrived and AMRAAM is no longer top tier BVR AAM of PAF.



PAF already have 145km range BVR with AESA seeker and till Astra-2 will arrive PAF will be able to counter it with NG AAM possibly PL-21 or PL-15 ER later is possiblity available much sooner.

First india got the rafale with 160 km range missiles and it forced pAF to go for J10 fighter.

Anyhow, PAF is not much issue actually.. China with 200 km+ missiles are totally outclass indian fighter except RAfale.

iAF needs very badly 160 and 300km missiles against Chinese fighters...
 

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SU 30 MKI needs a good EW upgrade,

Indo Pak scenario BVR of 100 km is enough.

It's for chinese we need 300 km BVR.
 

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First india got the rafale with 160 km range missiles and it forced pAF to go for J10 fighter.

Anyhow, PAF is not much issue actually.. China with 200 km+ missiles are totally outclass indian fighter except RAfale.

iAF needs very badly 160 and 300km missiles against Chinese fighters...

First PL-15E which PAF received is said to be superior in terms of tech and range which will be offered to export to other countries (export version range is 145+km) and in NCW environment IAF can not achieve air dominance over Pakistan air space.

Same range for both

PLAAF PL-15 is superior then it's export version PL-15E, it's expected range is 200+km.
 
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