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Israeli Gov't Approves Plan to Purchase Howitzers and IFVs

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  1. DavidSling

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    The cabinet approved this evening (11.03.18) an MoD and IDF plan for strengthening the ground arm, which includes 2 main projects that were decided in the Gideon multi-year plan (2015-2020): The purchase of 'hundreds' of Eitan combat vehicles, and the development of a new self propelled howitzer.

    Eitan
    On the Eitan, it was said it would enter service with the Nahal light infantry brigade in 2019, and will steadily start replacing M113 in 2020. Nahal was chosen to lead the Eitan project by being the first to test it.
    MANTAK say the Eitan will be the world's most advanced and protected wheeled combat vehicle, basing itself on technologies developed for the Merkava and Namer, and being designed with an open architecture to allow easy integration of upgrades in the future.
    And its main advantage over the Namer would be its rapid rate of production.

    MoD and IDF refrained from telling how many vehicles exactly will they need, which may be due to the fact that they have yet to see how much the budget allows them. Ideally, it would replace the M113 in as many roles as possible, while in some roles a light armored vehicle, preferably the JLTV, would replace the M113.

    The plan spans a decade, so even if the production rate of the Eitan is similar to the Namer, we can expect at least 300 vehicles. But it won't be, and will likely be twice as fast, which could mean north of 600 vehicles. Of course, many of them will not be frontline vehicles.

    MoD's contract with RAFAEL includes ~1,000 Trophy systems, of which ~90 will go to Merkava 3 tanks, ~600 will be evenly split between Merkava 4 and Namer vehicles, which leaves ~300 for the Eitan over the course of a decade.
    Admittedly, the IDF was only supposed to present its recommendations for an APS (Iron Fist or Trophy) in January 2018, which is long after the contract with RAFAEL was signed, so it remains until the 2018 fiscal report to understand how many more Trophy-equipped Eitans will we see.

    SPH
    MoD approves the continued project to develop and produce the next generation howitzer for the IDF, and promises that within the following decade, the IDF ground arm will undergo a revolution.
    Indeed, the howitzers are long overdue, and should have been produced and enter service over a decade ago! But budget cuts happened. Thankfully, the Gideon plan seems to be on track from start to end.

    Oddly, as opposed to other programs in the IDF, the new howitzer entered prototype stage a while ago and begun test firing as well, without the public knowing the Hebrew name of the system, or seeing a prototype. The Eitan, Namer, Carmel, and Barak, were all named at the very early stages of their program and prototypes/concepts were shown very early on as well.
    The fact that the IDF has only very recently concluded it would be best for it to make a first batch of wheeled howitzers shows the development program is still lagging behind, and Elbit's promises to get the system ready within half a year to one and a half years (in the worst case), were broken.

    It is however important to understand that Elbit is now tasked with 2 development programs - 1 for a wheeled howitzer, 1 for a tracked howitzer.

    The news here, are that the project can now proceed as planned. It was previously stalled as the MoD had to review it for fears of corruption, and due to a new law that calls for routine program reviews for deals worth 100 million NIS and 400 million NIS, each with different parameters set for the reviews.

    Now, considering the fact that they claim a decade will be needed for the full (?) transition, and the facts that today there are ~300 howitzers in service, of which 100 will be cut as the new ones will be able to more than compensate for the lower numbers, we're looking at a production rate of roughly 20 units per year. A more precise figure would likely be 24 howitzers, which would equate to 2 battalions per year, or if there are any plans to produce new dedicated ammo carriers, then 12 howitzers and 6-12 carriers which would equate to 1 battalion.

    Source:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-approves-new-armored-vehicles-for-idf/
    https://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/368213
    http://armor-il.blogspot.co.il/2018/03/israeli-govt-approves-plan-to-purchase.html?m=1
     
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    I sincerely hope that Israel has a realistic defensive plan to deal with an Iranian attack coming out of Syria, co-ordinated with attacks out of Lebanon by Hezbollah and out of Gaza by Hamas. Are these howitzers what will be needed for such an attack?
     
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    Sorry mate Israel's days are numbered. Evil is made accountable one day and that day for Israel is coming soon. Israel must give up it's bad ways or face the consequences. Muslims have shown the will to fight and win no matter how painful it is.
     
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    You're days are numbered regardless of whatever you do !:tsk:
     
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    I have a noob question.

    The front top of the IFV looks like it is made of concrete. Such a look is also present on the Namer IFV. What is the reason??
     
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    Hardly a noob question and actually a great one. I'm not 100% sure but I believe it's a special, non-magnetic coating that has dual purposes. It helps reduce the chances of a magnetic mine or explosive from sticking to the surface as well as acting as a gritty, non-skid surface so soldiers don't slip when climbing it. I could be wrong and anyone else can feel free to correct me.

    The Germans were the first to apply a non-magnetic coating on the surfaces of their tanks in WWII called Zimmerit.

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    Once the allies captured a few of those, they sent samples to labs and figured out that they used this material to prevent the enemy soldiers from attaching magnetic mines to the surface. I believe the gritty surfaces on these new IFVs and also some tanks are for basically the same purpose.

    It could also have something to so with detection and protection with the use of the Trophy APS system.
     
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    Thanks for the compliment, the explanation and the history.

    I will also ask @500 and @DavidSling ( two of our Israeli members ) about it ( post# 6 ) for further detail if needed.
     
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    Thats just non slip coating.

    Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah cant conventionally attack Israel and capture any territories. They can make some small incursion through tunnels or gliders for some terror attack or sabotage. They can launch suicide drones.

    Biggest threat comes from rockets and missiles. They have huge number of rockets which can shower all north of Israel with thousands of rockets. They also have around 100 ballistic missiles which can hit every part of Israel with 600 kg warhead.
     
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    Okay, thanks.
     
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    I'm sure that's one of the reasons like I mentioned also, but don't expect a grizzly old Israeli tank loader to give you any more info than that! :lol:
     
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