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we rather invest in our own designs and equipment ....neither US nor Russia/China can be trusted.... ...there are other alternatives for now: drones,EW, missiles etc
 
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During the Shah Regime the relations were good , I mean real good , but you see , Just suppose Pakistan is not a Nuclear state, that makes a hell of a difference even If it has Raptors in it's air force.
India had it , so Pakistan also needed/wanted to have it and they went through that phase.
I think Iran is doing the same , and Iran main foe is Israel (without a doubt) and Israel biggest threat is Iran, also Israel is widely believed to have WMD's and hence the Iran also want's to be / feels to be at equal terms with the Israel and hence they started the Nuclear Program , and yet again , there is a point which is called point of no return , I think they would have already gave it up if they couldn't do it , maybe they are really close to achieving the goal , maybe they really are , maybe they aren't , time will tell.
One thing is for sure, If Iran becomes a nuclear power, the way things work in the region will change forever.
I believe that Iran's stance is for its civilian nuclear rights, since I am pretty sure that if it wanted to get the N or H-bombs it would have done it by all means.
The western countries are arguing mainly about the potential of a civil nuclear nation to make nuclear weapons. Which sounds like a Machiavelli-like argument: You should not have any nuclear technology, because there is a potential of making nuclear weapons. So the West is thinking with its own insecurities in mind instead of trying to understand other people needs. I is the least to say an irrational behavior.
Iran aims to be an industrial nation, and nuclear energy can be the fuel to run its engine. that is called looking ahead, since oil is not an infinite resource, Iranians think about using their oil revenues to industrialize their nation. What is wrong with that?

Iran has chosen the path of independence and self reliance, that is why - I think -, they are still holding on to their "old:The F-14 Tomcat was already a generation ahead when Iran acquired it." warplanes, while working on projects of their own.
They compensate -while waiting - with sophisticated air defenses (with Bavar -373 is nearing completion), and sophisticated all ranges missiles and cruise missiles.
So, I do not think that this Russian deal has any true value, the S-300 deal is still on many minds.
 

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I believe that Iran's stance is for its civilian nuclear rights, since I am pretty sure that if it wanted to get the N or H-bombs it would have done it by all means.
The western countries are arguing mainly about the potential of a civil nuclear nation to make nuclear weapons. Which sounds like a Machiavelli-like argument: You should not have any nuclear technology, because there is a potential of making nuclear weapons. So the West is thinking with its own insecurities in mind instead of trying to understand other people needs. I is the least to say an irrational behavior.
Iran aims to be an industrial nation, and nuclear energy can be the fuel to run its engine. that is called looking ahead, since oil is not an infinite resource, Iranians think about using their oil revenues to industrialize their nation. What is wrong with that?

Iran has chosen the path of independence and self reliance, that is why - I think -, they are still holding on to their "old:The F-14 Tomcat was already a generation ahead when Iran acquired it." warplanes, while working on projects of their own.
They compensate -while waiting - with sophisticated air defenses (with Bavar -373 is nearing completion), and sophisticated all ranges missiles and cruise missiles.
So, I do not think that this Russian deal has any true value, the S-300 deal is still on many minds.
Good Points ! Keep increasing my knowledge.
 

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During the Shah Regime the relations were good , I mean real good , but you see , Just suppose Pakistan is not a Nuclear state, that makes a hell of a difference even If it has Raptors in it's air force.
India had it , so Pakistan also needed/wanted to have it and they went through that phase.
I think Iran is doing the same , and Iran main foe is Israel (without a doubt) and Israel biggest threat is Iran, also Israel is widely believed to have WMD's and hence the Iran also want's to be / feels to be at equal terms with the Israel and hence they started the Nuclear Program , and yet again , there is a point which is called point of no return , I think they would have already gave it up if they couldn't do it , maybe they are really close to achieving the goal , maybe they really are , maybe they aren't , time will tell.
One thing is for sure, If Iran becomes a nuclear power, the way things work in the region will change forever.
Iran has the capability to build a nuke, but they havn't decided to go ahead with it, if they do we can see US planes over Iranian skies bombing.. and the current EU and western Sanction would become UN sanction, in which there's no escape for them
 

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Iran has the capability to build a nuke, but they havn't decided to go ahead with it, if they do we can see US planes over Iranian skies bombing.. and the current EU and western Sanction would become UN sanction, in which there's no escape for them
Oh come on , U.S.A. is in no state to take on Iran , not that I am saying It can't , It can but it CAN'T in present situation man, Too much heat.
 

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not again .....

@Faqir M. Abdullah , my friend as much as i appreciate the nice gesture of worrying abt iranian air force , let me make some facts clear :

iran currently is working hardly on indigenous tech and has been doing so for the past 20yrs , the results are coming out one by one :

in UAV tech , iran has the upper hand in whole asia with 2 MALE UCAVs and numerous UAVs for different purposes .

in case of fighter jets , iran started with project azarakhs then step by step we went on ..... to Saeghe and ..., we are going to have Qaher and Shafagh 5th gen fighters unveiled in 2015 and 2016 respectively .

shafagh :



in case of missiles , upgraded AIM-53A+ missile named fakour and project maghsood are latest results with 300 and 500 km range respectively .

iranian air force has been relying on itself for the past 30 yrs and has worked really well .

you'll also witness increase in power in leaps and bonds in the next 2-5 years , due to the "soon-to-be-unveiled projects" that i told u abt .

somethings ppl should realize is that it will not make any difference if iran is sanctioned or not !!

we will not buy any fighter !! our strategy is building instead of buying !!

@TruthSeeker :

dumb A$$ there are enough iranian members here how will clear this thing for u :

GTFO !!!

dont u freaking worry abt iranians :lol: as far as politics and strategy is concerned ,

iran is doing US missionary style for its policies in ME .

how's that working for u ? :lol:

tai tai
 

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I think that Iran's Mullahs believe that they need to be a nuclear state to protect themselves from a military strike by Israel and/or the USA, as they see that North Korea has been protected by its nuclear arsenal and Saddam Hussein was not (because he lacked nukes). Therefore, the Mullahs see nukes as an existential protection against their regime being overthrown by the Great Satan or the Little Satan. On the other hand, the USA is unwilling to give the Iranian Mullah regime an ironclad non-aggression promise in exchange for them giving up their nuke program. The USA won't do this because they don't trust the Iranians to behave in the Middle East via a' vis the Sunni powers or Israel, in the absence of an existential threat from the USA. Hence the impasse. The Iranian people will just have to suffer Mullah rule for many more years or decades.
That's what israel thinks as well to protect themselves from military strikes from jimmy, salem, chin chow, waka paka...The jewish Mullahs aka rabbis think israel has end of the times Threat and so keeping nukes is the only option to protect themselves including those beliefs that russians will invade them along with Muslims. isrealis think of Muslims an greater satan and thus belief anything in their path must be eliminated such are fanatics and the madness. More could be penned down on current Topic but it is pointless.
 

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I think that Iran's Mullahs believe that they need to be a nuclear state to protect themselves from a military strike by Israel and/or the USA, as they see that North Korea has been protected by its nuclear arsenal and Saddam Hussein was not (because he lacked nukes). Therefore, the Mullahs see nukes as an existential protection against their regime being overthrown by the Great Satan or the Little Satan. On the other hand, the USA is unwilling to give the Iranian Mullah regime an ironclad non-aggression promise in exchange for them giving up their nuke program. The USA won't do this because they don't trust the Iranians to behave in the Middle East via a' vis the Sunni powers or Israel, in the absence of an existential threat from the USA. Hence the impasse. The Iranian people will just have to suffer Mullah rule for many more years or decades.
I would disagree. While public rhetoric may show Israel as the main target, I have a feeling that the nuclear weapon option is much more open against Riyadh. The Saudis armed themselves with MRBM's specifically for the Iranians and hope that given enough "gifts" of dollars Pakistan would give a few of its older fission warheads to them for usage as they see fit. The Iranians for all their fist waving at the US are also the most natural ally the US could have in the middle east, surpassing even Israel. Given the chance I think the United states would jump in at a moderate Iranian regime giving a handshake of handing over the nukes in turn for its support in rebuilding Iran and rearming it against the Al-Qaida inspired(and saudi fed) militant wave spreading across the middle east.

On the topic. The IRIAF is going nowhere because its leadership are numbskulls. When pointless propaganda like the Qaher which was the laughing stock of the world is their supposed new vision. Then you can hand them all the JF-17s you want and they will still build some styrofoam model and claim it is a sub-orbital bomber.
Sad really, considering that it one point the R&D base in Iran was headed in the right direction with the Shafagh. Then they deteriorated to the Saeqeh.. and then finally the idiocy that is the Qaher. Now, Iran seems to be coming up with weapons that resemble that of video games rather than actual useful military hardware.
 

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Sad really, considering that it one point the R&D base in Iran was headed in the right direction with the Shafagh. Then they deteriorated to the Saeqeh..
Interesting, why did they kill shafagh project.
 

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Interesting, why did they kill shafagh project.
The Shafaq project is not canceled. Russians refused to give us the RD-33 Engines which was intended to be used in shafaq and M-ATF projects. Iran currently works on several turbo fan and turbo jet Engines to replace those shitty RD-33s.

Iran also hardly works on avionics and aircraft radars.

If every thing goes right we will be able to replace all of our jets with new indigenous fighters by 2025.
 

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The Shafaq project is not canceled. Russians refused to give us the RD-33 Engines which was intended to be used in shafaq and M-ATF projects. Iran currently works on several turbo fan and turbo jet Engines to replace those shitty RD-33s.

If every thing goes right we will be able to replace all of our jets with new indigenous fighters by 2025.
I understand about ban of weapons and other technologies, for prototypes F-7 Engine could be used or some derivative of it developed and sacrifice for things like its short span of life because iran is under long term sanctions.

Could you list Iranian turbo fan and turbo jet Engines currently under works.
 

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